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Offline beebebleuga

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help! SUBSTANTIAL romantic piece?
on: June 25, 2024, 02:47:38 AM
Hiii!
Recently I have been preparing for undergrad conservatory auditions (am terrified...)
I was wondering if i could get some thoughts on using a transcendental etude by liszt as the "substantial" romantic era piece. Some schools that I want to apply to also require an etude, so I am not sure if playing two etudes would be appropriate?
Any thought would be appreciated!! 😊

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Re: help! SUBSTANTIAL romantic piece?
Reply #1 on: June 25, 2024, 03:14:02 AM
Etudes are a separate category for technique, and typically what they'd mean by a substantial romantic piece is a Chopin Ballade/Scherzo, Liszt Ballade/Rhapsody, etc., or perhaps a sonata if allowed.
last 3 schubert sonatas and piano trios are something else

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Re: help! SUBSTANTIAL romantic piece?
Reply #2 on: June 25, 2024, 09:36:03 AM
"Substantial" means bigger than Chopin Nocturnes/Mazurkas, Liszt Consolations/Liebestraume, Brahms and Schumann miniatures but smaller than a Sonata (they already ask for a Classical one and the program could get long).

At the same time it doesn't mean the most difficult thing you can manage. I played Liszt Legend 1 for example. I could play Legend 2 also but thought something more understated would stand out next to all the Chopin Ballades, Mephisto Waltzes etc they must hear to death.

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Re: help! SUBSTANTIAL romantic piece?
Reply #3 on: June 25, 2024, 08:04:07 PM
thought something more understated would stand out next to all the Chopin Ballades, Mephisto Waltzes etc they must hear to death.
Hiii!
Recently I have been preparing for undergrad conservatory auditions (am terrified...)
I was wondering if i could get some thoughts on using a transcendental etude by liszt as the "substantial" romantic era piece. Some schools that I want to apply to also require an etude, so I am not sure if playing two etudes would be appropriate?
Any thought would be appreciated!! 😊
The Spanish Rhapsody, if you can manage it, would be a great piece for the "substantial" category.
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Re: help! SUBSTANTIAL romantic piece?
Reply #4 on: June 26, 2024, 09:39:55 AM
Godowsky's sonata, Szymanowski's sonatas 2 & 3, Dukas' sonata, d'Indy's sonata, all of Rachmaninoff's and Medtner's sonatas just for starters (and, by the way, the original and somewhat more substantial version of Rachmanoinoff's first sonata is now available for the first time although I've yet to listen to it)...
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Re: help! SUBSTANTIAL romantic piece?
Reply #5 on: June 26, 2024, 10:11:50 AM
I love the Chopin ballades except they are overplayed for auditions? (but anything probably works if played well.)
I also like Liszt's ballades but they take some time to build, and the panel probably only listens to a few minutes. The Spanish rhapsody is very not my taste.. :P
I love love love the Rach, Medtner, Szymanowski sonatas! But I dont want to play a romantic sonata bc I have classical and contemporary ones already.. Im also afraid Medtner sonatas would be too dense and complicated (it would probably be easier for the panel to judge something theyve heard before)
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im going to check out that version of rach sonata! what do you mean by more substantial isnt it very substantial already.

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Re: help! SUBSTANTIAL romantic piece?
Reply #6 on: June 26, 2024, 04:05:40 PM
The Spanish rhapsody is very not my taste.. :P
That's too bad... It's an amazing piece.

For something other than a sonata that isn't overplayed, I guess I'd recommend Debussy's "Feux D'artifice" Prelude. It's pretty difficult, relatively short (~5 minutes), and probably isn't played that much. :)
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Re: help! SUBSTANTIAL romantic piece?
Reply #7 on: August 13, 2024, 11:01:35 PM
That's too bad... It's an amazing piece.

For something other than a sonata that isn't overplayed, I guess I'd recommend Debussy's "Feux D'artifice" Prelude. It's pretty difficult, relatively short (~5 minutes), and probably isn't played that much. :)

It might not be qualified as substantial though. What about a Brahms ballade? They aren’t too bad or you could do the Tchaikovsky Dumka.
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