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playingpiano123

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Chopin’s Waltz Op.69 No.1 Original vs Fontana’s version

on: July 10, 2024, 10:12:52 PM

Can anyone help me determine the difference between Chopin’s original version and Fontana’s? I learned the sheet music attached below, but can’t tell which of the two it is (I need to specifically play Fontana’s for an exam).

Waltz_Opus__No__in_A_Major.pdf (133.21 kB - downloaded 71 times.)

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kosulin

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Re: Chopin’s Waltz Op.69 No.1 Original vs Fontana’s version

Reply #1 on: July 10, 2024, 11:51:08 PM

Is there such thing as Op. 69 for Chopin? His highest opus number is 65 AFAIK, and his waltzes are Op. 18, 34, 42, 64 (and few posthumous ones without opus number).

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Re: Chopin’s Waltz Op.69 No.1 Original vs Fontana’s version

Reply #2 on: July 10, 2024, 11:54:19 PM

Ah, I see now - this is opus number assigned by Fontana.

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Re: Chopin’s Waltz Op.69 No.1 Original vs Fontana’s version

Reply #3 on: July 11, 2024, 12:12:26 AM

I did a quick comparison of your pdf to both autograph versions of WN 47 in National edition. It differs in much more than one place.
This pdf might be engraved from the Fontata's French edition (1855), or from any other source. BTW there is another Fontana edition - German, also 1855, where he assigned (bogus) opus numbers.
You have to find the scan of Fontana edition to be sure you use the one. You can see it here as Meissonnier edition: https://imslp.org/wiki/Waltzes%2C_Op.69_(Chopin%2C_Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric)
And here you can find some info on differences between editions: https://www.chopin-nationaledition.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/waltzes-B_commentaries_poprawka2020.pdf

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Re: Chopin’s Waltz Op.69 No.1 Original vs Fontana’s version

Reply #4 on: July 11, 2024, 11:27:20 AM

Quote from: kosulin on July 10, 2024, 11:51:08 PM

Is there such thing as Op. 69 for Chopin? His highest opus number is 65 AFAIK, and his waltzes are Op. 18, 34, 42, 64 (and few posthumous ones without opus number).

Those posthumous opus numbers that were assigned, up to Op. 70 or something like that, are generally accepted as far as I know.

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ranjit

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Re: Chopin’s Waltz Op.69 No.1 Original vs Fontana’s version

Reply #5 on: July 12, 2024, 04:10:47 AM

The main difference I know of is the tied note from measure 8-9 which is present in Fonatan's edition and absent in the original. Apart from that, I think there are some differences in the inner voices of the LH chords.

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Re: Chopin’s Waltz Op.69 No.1 Original vs Fontana’s version

Reply #6 on: July 12, 2024, 06:02:09 PM

I am not an authority on Chopin, but this pdf differs from Fontana edition I have.
My Fontana reprint does not have legato in bars 3, 5, 7, and has no first legato in bar 6. But it has pedal marks there. I did not look further.
You can find two autograph versions and Fontana version in the National Edition Vol. 27 (posthumous waltzes).

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