Composition

[pianoplayer51]

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Can someone comment honestly on my composition i composed.  I posted it on students board but nobodu seems to want to commentand and I have pleaded but people just ignore my request so can someone please please give me feedback thank you

[pianoplayer51]

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[pianoplayer51]

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[pianoplayer51]

I can't seem to post a link on here please can people look on the students board under composition and find my video and make some sort of comment otherwise I'm taking it down and I'll just say to hell with it forget about it I can't be bothered it's only so many times I can ask

[brogers70]

Don't worry about what somebody on this board says about your composition. Do you like it? Was it fun to do? If you like it and you enjoyed making it, keep going. If not, do something else.

[pianoplayer51]

Here we go again I have asked and asked and asked till I I'm blue in the face for feedback why is nobody willing to listen to my latest upload on the students board and give me some feedback why please tell me why and I don't want to hear about don't listen to what other people think I want someone to listen and give me some feedback please

[pianoplayer51]

  how many times do I have to keep asking for feedback I'm getting really really sick of this

[pianoplayer51]

I genuinely thought that if nobody gave me feedback on the students board I would be posting feedback requests on another board in the hope that people that go to a different board on this site would give me feedback but I get the same thing what is people on here I'm asking for feedback if I knew somebody who was asking for feedback on their video I would give it I wouldn't just ignore it why am I being ignored

[pianoplayer51]

I am not experienced enough to critique myself I want somebody on this board who has got more experience than me to tell me if I'm doing something wrong I really really want someone to give me feedback bloody hell

[pianoplayer51]

Ask yourself is why are you unwilling to give me feedback is it because you think I don't want to hear negative criticism

[pianoplayer51]

Don't worry about what somebody on this board says about your composition. Do you like it? Was it fun to do? If you like it and you enjoyed making it, keep going. If not, do something else.

I don't like your answer this it's not helping me I want to constructive feedback are you not able to give me any

[klavieronin]

I listened to it but I wasn’t sure I had anything constructive to say about it so I didn’t respond.
You seem to be a little agitated about this so I will give you my honest opinion.
The first composition you posted I thought was nice enough. It was a little repetitive but it was short and simple so the repetition wasn’t too much of an issue.
You’re second composition I thought meandered a bit and was a little derivative, with one section bordering on plagiarism.
That is totally fine if you’re composing for the enjoyment of it. If you want other people to listen to and enjoy your music you are going to have to put in the hard yards. It takes years, decades even, to learn to write “good” music and if you can’t simply enjoy the process for its own sake then I don’t like your chances.
I don’t want to sound harsh and please take everything I’ve said with a grain of salt because I not a professional composer but it’s clear that you are looking for some direction and since nobody else has given you an answer that satisfies you then I thought I’d put my two cents in.
This is all I have to offer. My recommendation is;
1. Learn to notate your music.
2. Compose every day.
3. Learn some music theory.
4. Get a teacher.

[pianoplayer51]

I can't take criticism and I'm grateful for your comments but the reason why the music was repetitive was because it was produced as music that you would play to a church hymn because church hymns have several verses and the tune is repetitive because you sing one verse after the other some hymns have five or six verses and the tune is repeated over and over again as each verse is sun that is why I repeated it because it was made for that purpose

[pianoplayer51]

Unless you are producing music for church hymn singing who would not normally keep repeating over and over the same tune

[pianoplayer51]

I listened to it but I wasn’t sure I had anything constructive to say about it so I didn’t respond.
You seem to be a little agitated about this so I will give you my honest opinion.
The first composition you posted I thought was nice enough. It was a little repetitive but it was short and simple so the repetition wasn’t too much of an issue.
You’re second composition I thought meandered a bit and was a little derivative, with one section bordering on plagiarism.
That is totally fine if you’re composing for the enjoyment of it. If you want other people to listen to and enjoy your music you are going to have to put in the hard yards. It takes years, decades even, to learn to write “good” music and if you can’t simply enjoy the process for its own sake then I don’t like your chances.
I don’t want to sound harsh and please take everything I’ve said with a grain of salt because I not a professional composer but it’s clear that you are looking for some direction and since nobody else has given you an answer that satisfies you then I thought I’d put my two cents in.
This is all I have to offer. My recommendation is;
1. Learn to notate your music.
2. Compose every day.
3. Learn some music theory.
4. Get a teacher.

The same tune is repeated for several verses of a church hymn because this structure, called "strophic form", allows for the congregation to easily learn and participate in the song by focusing on the lyrics while singing the familiar melody throughout each verse, creating a sense of unity and devotion during worship; repetition in hymns is often used to emphasize key themes and ideas from the

[pianoplayer51]

Whilst you have given good feedback I just do not understand why my music teacher didn't say more or less what you have said because she's not a novice she knows about music she teaches the piano and yet she says marvelous you've done a very good job well obviously I haven't because you could see errors in my Productions and do quite rightly told me so

[pianoplayer51]

For example on the first conversation that I posted on here my teacher said to me I love that that is really a lovely tune it's lovely and relaxing so when you hear that from somebody you think you've done a marvelous job but in fact I haven't done anything of the kind and my teacher is really not helping me by giving me incorrect comments

[pianoplayer51]

I no longer have music lessons because I haven't got time but I do send my compositions to my music teacher who was teaching me for her to comment on and she always says they wonderful I don't think that's helpful because I know there's lots of room for improvement but she never says so I don't understand why it's not helpful like that

[pianoplayer51]

I listened to it but I wasn’t sure I had anything constructive to say about it so I didn’t respond.
You seem to be a little agitated about this so I will give you my honest opinion.
The first composition you posted I thought was nice enough. It was a little repetitive but it was short and simple so the repetition wasn’t too much of an issue.
You’re second composition I thought meandered a bit and was a little derivative, with one section bordering on plagiarism.
That is totally fine if you’re composing for the enjoyment of it. If you want other people to listen to and enjoy your music you are going to have to put in the hard yards. It takes years, decades even, to learn to write “good” music and if you can’t simply enjoy the process for its own sake then I don’t like your chances.
I don’t want to sound harsh and please take everything I’ve said with a grain of salt because I not a professional composer but it’s clear that you are looking for some direction and since nobody else has given you an answer that satisfies you then I thought I’d put my two cents in.
This is all I have to offer. My recommendation is;
1. Learn to notate your music.
2. Compose every day.
3. Learn some music theory.
4. Get a teacher.

At the top of your reply which I've quoted you said you couldn't find anything constructive so you didn't respond I actually think the second video I put up in here was one of the nicest video Pieces I've ever done and I made it with so much feeling and even now when I play it again I get goosebumps so how can you say that you couldn't find anything constructive to say and I don't want to hear from you again after what you've said here I'm all for criticism but when you say things like that you had nothing constructive to say when I actually think it's a wonderful piece of music it might be simple but it it was done with so much feeling and I played from the heart how dare you

[yqxpiano]

At the top of your reply which I've quoted you said you couldn't find anything constructive so you didn't respond I actually think the second video I put up in here was one of the nicest video Pieces I've ever done and I made it with so much feeling and even now when I play it again I get goosebumps so how can you say that you couldn't find anything constructive to say and I don't want to hear from you again after what you've said here I'm all for criticism but when you say things like that you had nothing constructive to say when I actually think it's a wonderful piece of music it might be simple but it it was done with so much feeling and I played from the heart how dare you

I understand it’s so hard to not use run on sentences they always tell me to not do that and when I ask my teacher about my writing she says it’s wonderful but obviously it isn’t because there is a lot of room to improve so I am for criticism but some people are so mean they aren’t constructive because even if my writing is simple I think it’s great and with such emotions I don’t know why people say it is so bad and when I write and read my writing it is good and easy to understand but people say that it isn’t and tell me but I think they should stop

[pianoplayer51]

I understand it’s so hard to not use run on sentences they always tell me to not do that and when I ask my teacher about my writing she says it’s wonderful but obviously it isn’t because there is a lot of room to improve so I am for criticism but some people are so mean they aren’t constructive because even if my writing is simple I think it’s great and with such emotions I don’t know why people say it is so bad and when I write and read my writing it is good and easy to understand but people say that it isn’t and tell me but I think they should stop

Why do you think they should stop because what they are saying is that they think your stuff is not good then they should also tell you how they feel you should improve.  A person on here who said they could find nothing constructive about my video was totally wrong because no matter how bad something is there is always something good to be got from it.  The very fact that I made up the tune means that I'm interested in composing.  Some famous composers have composed music which I do not like and would not listen to and I must say that Strauss is one of them.  I would not go to a classical concert of fairness waltzes because I don't like them so it person has their own likes and dislikes and what I do with my playing some people like some people don't like but some people have also composed very simple music for teaching beginner students and it has to be simple otherwise how do they learn so not all music has to Sound super professional because there are all different types of music for all different types of musicians and if somebody cannot appreciate a basic simple tune then there's something wrong with them so the Professional musician who said to me about my music it should be more professional has no concept of anything but the Virtuoso that he thinks he is and I stay clear of such types

[klavieronin]

For example on the first conversation that I posted on here my teacher said to me I love that that is really a lovely tune it's lovely and relaxing…

I also thought it was a nice relaxing tune and I said so in the other thread. I mentioned here that it was a little repetitive but also said that the repetition wasn't really a problem because it was so short. Now knowing that it is a hymn, it makes perfect sense that it is repetitive like that.

At the top of your reply which I've quoted you said you couldn't find anything constructive so you didn't respond I actually think the second video I put up in here was one of the nicest video Pieces I've ever done and I made it with so much feeling and even now when I play it again I get goosebumps so how can you say that you couldn't find anything constructive to say…

Well, if you are happy with it then that is all that matters. But that is what other people here were trying to tell you and you weren't happy with that. You were demanding some actual criticism so I gave you my honest opinion. It may have been a little harsh but I've had worse said about my music and it made me a better composer.

…I don't want to hear from you again after what you've said here I'm all for criticism but when you say things like that you had nothing constructive to say when I actually think it's a wonderful piece of music it might be simple but it it was done with so much feeling and I played from the heart how dare you

Nobody here is obligated to give you feedback on your music but several of us tried and you weren't satisfied. Next time I won't bother.

[liszt-and-the-galops]

A person on here who said they could find nothing constructive about my video was totally wrong because no matter how bad something is there is always something good to be got from it. ...

My understanding was that klavieronin was saying that there wasn't much to suggest, e.g. it's fine as it is (as opposed to "it's awful and has no redeeming qualities").

... but some people have also composed very simple music for teaching beginner students and it has to be simple otherwise how do they learn so not all music has to Sound super professional because there are all different types of music for all different types of musicians and if somebody cannot appreciate a basic simple tune then there's something wrong with them ...

If someone doesn't like a certain type of music, how does that alone mean that there's "something wrong with them"? Obviously saying that certain types of music are "objectively bad" is insensitive (and is all too often racist, misogynistic, homophobic, Islamophobic, etc. or some combination thereof), but there's usually not anything wrong with not liking a particular piece/song/artist (unless the reason itself is morally wrong).

... I can't take criticism ...

... I'm all for criticism but when you say things like that you had nothing constructive to say when I actually think it's a wonderful piece of music it might be simple but it it was done with so much feeling and I played from the heart ...

I'm sorry, what?

[pianoplayer51]

How to decided not to come back here anymore thanks bye

[lostinidlewonder]

Art can be appreciated on many levels.

If we are to compare it to professional composition you are just going to lose, if that upsets you or you want a detailed plan how to make your composition better, well, I really think trying to solve that on a discussion board is not the right place. Maybe the fact that you borrowed completely from Ave Maria makes it not sound like a composition of your own but rather an arrangement for beginners. Hey, that's fine, beginners need heaps of music, but generally music at that level is not going to "wow" anyone or get you a wide array of compliments.

Also I think you have totally missed an important point given by brogers70, reread it and accept it otherwise why are you bothering to do it at all?

You also seem highly strung, not sure why, but on the internet it's not healthy to lay yourself bare if you don't have some thick skin.

[pianoplayer51]

I appreciate your comments but can you try and help me work out why my former piano teacher always says that my compositions are really good and wonderful because by saying that she's leading me to a sensor for achievement which is incorrect and I think I'm better than I am and if I were to inform her which I have done where anybody criticizes my conversations she tells me that they are incorrect because she says they're very good and her except words to me about someone who criticized my composition she said if he doesn't like it then he can get stuffed

[liszt-and-the-galops]

my former piano teacher always says that my compositions are really good and wonderful because by saying that she's leading me to a sensor for achievement which is incorrect

Why is she incorrect?

[pianoplayer51]

Why is she incorrect?

Because she does not say what other people on here have said.  And if i say to her that someone criticises my compositions and says they are too basic then she does not agree.  I even had it pointed out to me on this forum that my second composition was based on an adaptation of Ave Maria so it cannot be classed as my own composition but my teacher did not say that did she and that is what I am trying to work out I cannot understand her attitude and I'd be grateful if someone here could try and help me understand this

[pianoplayer51]

https://fb.watch/xLJsmEb7AG/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

This singer who as a young child went on a tv talent show does not appeal to everyone but i like her piano playing. 

[lostinidlewonder]

I appreciate your comments but can you try and help me work out why my former piano teacher always says that my compositions are really good and wonderful because by saying that she's leading me to a sensor for achievement which is incorrect and I think I'm better than I am and if I were to inform her which I have done where anybody criticizes my conversations she tells me that they are incorrect because she says they're very good and her except words to me about someone who criticized my composition she said if he doesn't like it then he can get stuffed

No I cannot help you try to understand your teacher.

You are not very easy to discuss this with, you literally talk past everything people say to you.

I can see a history of insecurity in your posts on pianostreet, I see you wanted to totally delete a blog site that you were writing on because people were not flooding into it to read what you had to say. I see you don't appreciate your mother enjoying your playing (Bach Prelude in C) thinking that there must be something wrong with it. Your teacher likes your composition but must be mistaken because a professional pianist thinks it's bad, etc etc etc.

 You want everyone and anyone to LOVE what you create, that is just insanity, not one person in the world gets that. There is a pattern of requiring approval from others which extends over a decade. This seems to be a deeper issue rooted not in piano and music. I don't know if you are really being sincerely like this or you are just playing a persona, but it's really really strange.

[liszt-and-the-galops]

f i say to her that someone criticises my compositions and says they are too basic then she does not agree.  I even had it pointed out to me on this forum that my second composition was based on an adaptation of Ave Maria so it cannot be classed as my own composition but my teacher did not say that did she and that is what I am trying to work out I cannot understand her attitude and I'd be grateful if someone here could try and help me understand this

My guess is that she's just trying to be supportive of you. I highly doubt that she's "wrong" or "lying" about her opinion. It seems likely that she simply likes the compositions you've made. Maybe they aren't on the level of Bach, Liszt, or Debussy, but they're still impressive for someone with your level of experience.

Really, if you aren't doing this for a living, it doesn't matter how "good" your compositions are, or even if they follow all of the "rules". If you like what you've written, then that's all that really matters.

[pianoplayer51]

My guess is that she's just trying to be supportive of you. I highly doubt that she's "wrong" or "lying" about her opinion. It seems likely that she simply likes the compositions you've made. Maybe they aren't on the level of Bach, Liszt, or Debussy, but they're still impressive for someone with your level of experience.

Really, if you aren't doing this for a living, it doesn't matter how "good" your compositions are, or even if they follow all of the "rules". If you like what you've written, then that's all that really matters.

I get what you are saying and I do like what  i write and was chuffed when someone wanted to use what i wrote to be played at an event and asked for the score. I said I don't have the score because I cannot write scores so I was told well that doesn't matter I will get a professional penis to write the score and just professional will also play it at the event.  As soon as the professional heard my recording he said it wasn't good enough and he's not prepared to use it and it should be more professional before he is willing to incorporate it into the event now that is what I don't like and that's what made me really really doubt my abilities as any kind of musician whether it beginner intermediate or advanced.  I did not ask for one of my compositions to be used at this event because it was put to me as a suggestion so obviously the person who wanted to use it at the event thought it was good enough to be used in its only the professional who disagreed

[klavieronin]

You have to let this go! All the distress you are experiencing is completely unnecessary. You will never be able to please everyone, no matter how good a composer you are. I doubt there is a single composer in history who has't had their work rejected by somebody, professional penis or otherwise. Either you enjoy composing, in which case you should definitely continue, or you don't, in which case you need to find another outlet for your creative impulses. Some people are going to like what you do, others won't. You have made this point yourself several times already about other composers you like but other people don't. Why should your music be any different?

[pianoplayer51]

You have to let this go! All the distress you are experiencing is completely unnecessary. You will never be able to please everyone, no matter how good a composer you are. I doubt there is a single composer in history who has't had their work rejected by somebody, professional penis or otherwise. Either you enjoy composing, in which case you should definitely continue, or you don't, in which case you need to find another outlet for your creative impulses. Some people are going to like what you do, others won't. You have made this point yourself several times already about other composers you like but other people don't. Why should your music be any different?

Yes you are correct.  I guess it just came as a shock when I was told by music wasn't professionally enough to be used because you only other people who have listened to my compositions were my former piano teacher and my friends who said they were marvelous.  I wouldn't have minded so much if the professional musician had said it's not professionally enough but you've done a good job with what you have done so far.  I have a friend who is quite a bit older than me and when she was a child she took piano lessons.  As an adult she stopped playing because she lost all her confidence because she feels that she's no good.  She no longer practices to become better because she doesn't feel it will get her anywhere.  I on the other hands continue to practice because I am interested enough in music and the piano to try and improve and I have tried to encourage my friend to do the same but she just will not listen to me and she keeps telling me she's no good and it won't work.  Perhaps it's not so much that she doubts her ability it's the fact that she's lost interest in playing the piano all together.  I love music I'm always listening to classical music and we'll always always sit down at the piano either every day or every other day and do something whether it's scales or patios or learning a new piece with a new sheet music there is nothing that would take me away from playing the piano and on that note I will leave this and wrote mention this again

[keypeg]

There are also new responses in the student section, since you asked the question in both places.

[jonslaughter]

Yes you are correct.  I guess it just came as a shock when I was told by music wasn't professionally enough to be used because you only other people who have listened to my compositions were my former piano teacher and my friends who said they were marvelous.  I wouldn't have minded so much if the professional musician had said it's not professionally enough but you've done a good job with what you have done so far.  I have a friend who is quite a bit older than me and when she was a child she took piano lessons.  As an adult she stopped playing because she lost all her confidence because she feels that she's no good.  She no longer practices to become better because she doesn't feel it will get her anywhere.  I on the other hands continue to practice because I am interested enough in music and the piano to try and improve and I have tried to encourage my friend to do the same but she just will not listen to me and she keeps telling me she's no good and it won't work.  Perhaps it's not so much that she doubts her ability it's the fact that she's lost interest in playing the piano all together.  I love music I'm always listening to classical music and we'll always always sit down at the piano either every day or every other day and do something whether it's scales or patios or learning a new piece with a new sheet music there is nothing that would take me away from playing the piano and on that note I will leave this and wrote mention this again

Friends and family are the worst people to ask about quality because they will obviously say it is good. Many people will simply because they do not want to cause problems(at least IRL). It is very hard to get good criticism. Also, asking non-musicians if something sounds good is like asking non-mathematicians if a proof is correct.

Ultimately what you are going to have to do is listen to a lot of music. If you are interested in writing hymns then you need to listen to thousands of them and also analyze them unless you want to be mediocre. Writing good music and writing music are two different things. Partly what makes good music is doing new and interesting things that stick out. But also that can lead to creating bad music. But you have to be willing to risk it if you want to push the boundaries.