Best video game, in your opinion

[gasplamey]

What's everyone's favorite video game(s)?

Also, why do you like that/those game(s)?

[lostinidlewonder]

The Final Fantasy series (especially FF6), only because of max nostalgia when playing the music on the piano.

[liszt-and-the-galops]

Rain World, and it's not even close.
I do also enjoy Ōkami, Celeste, and occasionally a speedrun attempt on the Big Tower Tiny Square series or a P5 run in Hollow Knight. Ghosts n' Goblins or Battletoads if I'm really looking for a challenge from something other than Rain World. Kirby games also catch my eye once in a while.

I do generally prefer board games though.

[gasplamey]

I do also enjoy ... Celeste ... the Big Tower Tiny Square series ... P5 runs in Hollow Knight ... Kirby games

So you're a masochist who like Kirby games? What?

Rain World ... Ōkami ... Ghosts n' Goblins or Battletoads

What on earth are those?

[liszt-and-the-galops]

So you're a masochist who like Kirby games? What?

If a completion of P5 or deathless run on one of the BTTS games counts as being a masochist, wait 'till you see how insane arcade-era games were...
Also, the primary thing going for the Kirby games is that the music is downright incredible. The series didn't win a Grammy (for one of it's less impressive songs, nonetheless) for nothing.

What on earth are those?[/font]

Really good (first two) / challenging (second two + Rain World) video games.
Honestly I'm surprised you've heard of Big Tower Tiny Square but not any of those four.

[gasplamey]

If a completion of P5 or deathless run on one of the BTTS games counts as being a masochist, wait 'till you see how insane arcade-era games were...

Arcade games being "difficult"? Really?
Maybe talk to me when beat an ld in GD or do RP5, n00b.

The series didn't win a Grammy (for one of it's less impressive songs, nonetheless) for nothing.

KIRBY won a GRAMMY???
WHAT???

Rain World

Now that I think about it, I have heard of that before.
Isn't it basically "Hollow Knight but furry"?

[liszt-and-the-galops]

Arcade games being "difficult"? Really?

Yes, that's how they have to be designed to make money.
Have you ever heard of "quarter-eaters"?

an ld in GD

A what?

do RP5

What about Golden Farewell?

Isn't it basically "Hollow Knight but furry"?

I log off to get a drink of water and come back to this...
LMFAO
I've at least seen some people claim that RW is a "hollow ripoff" before, and they usually get shut down by the fact that the two games came out just over a month apart.
I've also seen some people (who have probably never played the game) claim that RW is a "furry" game, which is laughably wrong. About 90-95% of the characters in the game are fictional animals, not a single one of which is anthropomorphized in any way (excluding the ending of a certain joke DLC campaign that I refuse to acknowledge, though even there it's a hell of a stretch to call it "furry"). The only way the two are connected is some art of one of the characters that the developer of the game posted on Twitter.
However, I have literally never seen anyone claim that Rain World is both a Hollow Knight knockoff and a "furry" game at the same time, so... congrats I guess?

[gasplamey]

Yes, that's how they have to be designed to make money.
Have you ever heard of "quarter-eaters"?

No. What is that?

A what?

A list demon in Geometry Dash.

What about Golden Farewell?

I refuse to believe that you've done that.

I've at least seen some people claim that RW is a "hollow ripoff" before, and they usually get shut down by the fact that the games came out just over a month apart.
I've also seen some people (who have probably never played the game) claim that RW is a "furry" game, which is laughably wrong. About 90-95% of the characters in the game are fictional animals, not a single one of which is anthropomorphized at in any way (excluding the ending of a certain joke DLC campaign that I refuse to acknowledge, though even there it's a hell of a stretch). The only way the two are connected is some art of one of the characters that the developer of the game posted on Twitter.
However, I have literally never seen anyone claim that Rain World is both a Hollow Knight knockoff and a "furry" game at the same time, so... congrats I guess?

Good to know.

(excluding the ending of a certain joke DLC campaign that I refuse to acknowledge, though even there it's a hell of a stretch). The only way the two are connected is some art of one of the characters that the developer of the game posted on Twitter.

I demand elaboration.

[liszt-and-the-galops]

No. What is that?

Alright, this is going to take some explaining.
So, back before home consoles, just about every video game was on an arcade machine. You would go to the arcade, put some money into the arcade machine (most often a quarter), and you would play the game.
Now, arcade machines weren't free. Buying one costs the arcade a lot of money. So, in order for the arcade to turn a profit, people have to spend a lot of quarters on the game. The easiest way to do this was to make the game absurdly difficult, thereby forcing people to spend a ton of quarters to try to beat it.
Keep in mind that there were no "save points" in any games at this point, so losing all of your lives meant you had to start from the beginning. Imagine trying to 100% Celeste, but every third death put you back in Forsaken City and took away all of your strawberries/crystal hearts.
You can imagine that all of this could be extremely frustrating. However, the arcade didn't want people to just get angry at the game and wander off, because then they won't be spending money. So, most games had a "continue" option: if you lost all of your lives, you could put in another quarter to pick up where you left off with three (or sometimes only one) lives.
Most games had particular levels that stood out for making the arcade a ton of money from the continue system. These levels became known as "quarter-eaters" because they would "eat" all of your quarters as you tried in vain to beat them.
TL;DR old arcade games are so impossible because they had to be for the arcade to turn a profit from them.

I demand elaboration

First one:
long story short, there's a secret DLC campaign in Rain World that's meant as a joke campaign. It's almost impossible to beat, and there's an... interesting reward for getting to the end.

Second one:
You probably don't want to know, and elaborating further will probably get a few people to report this comment for the link I'd have to attach.
Plus, it involves Twitter. So no.

A list demon in Geometry Dash

It all makes sense now.
You're a seven-year-old.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

RuneScape and every once in a while Russian roulette

[perfect_pitch]

I play the best video game ever...

Red...
Dead...
Redemption...
2

It DID deserve such a dramatic format. It is the greatest game of all time.

Also, very happy to discuss anything video game related... it's my 2nd love after piano.

[gasplamey]

Alright, this is going to take some explaining.
So, back before home consoles, just about every video game was on an arcade machine. You would go to the arcade, put some money into the arcade machine (most often a quarter), and you would play the game.
Now, arcade machines weren't free. Buying one costs the arcade a lot of money. So, in order for the arcade to turn a profit, people have to spend a lot of quarters on the game. The easiest way to do this was to make the game absurdly difficult, thereby forcing people to spend a ton of quarters to try to beat it.
Keep in mind that there were no "save points" in any games at this point, so losing all of your lives meant you had to start from the beginning. Imagine trying to 100% Celeste, but every third death put you back in Forsaken City and took away all of your strawberries/crystal hearts.
You can imagine that all of this could be extremely frustrating. However, the arcade didn't want people to just get angry at the game and wander off, because then they won't be spending money. So, most games had a "continue" option: if you lost all of your lives, you could put in another quarter to pick up where you left off with three (or sometimes only one) lives.
Most games had particular levels that stood out for making the arcade a ton of money from the continue system. These levels became known as "quarter-eaters" because they would "eat" all of your quarters as you tried in vain to beat them.
TL;DR old arcade games are so impossible because they had to be for the arcade to turn a profit from them.

I see.
Very impressive, then, that GD is still harder than all of those.

It all makes sense now.
You're a seven-year-old.

No, Laughs Out Loud.

Also, I've edited the original post because I realized I forgot to ask everyone WHY their favorite game is their favorite game.

[thorn]

It's a difficult one but I'm going to have to say Zelda because it's the series that's been with me the longest and unlike some others I've never gotten bored of it- though I came close with Phantom Hourglass/Spirit Tracks. I guess my favourite is Twilight Princess, I loved the art style.

A more niche/short-lived one I loved was Golden Sun in the 00s. The world/characters/story were so well developed they had to split it into two games to cover everything. I still remember the music too!

[liszt-and-the-galops]

I see.
Very impressive, then, that GD is still harder than all of those.

LMAO no.
I've had this argument at least a dozen times, and the only thing that ever comes up in support of that opinion is:

The community-made levels that are most difficult have more than 100 frame-perfect inputs!!1!!11!1!

There is literally ONE input in that game: tap/release. That's what your "150+ frame perfects" are.
Compare that to something like a f_cking Tetris rebirth run:

Why don't you try spending more than an hour straight on >200 levels where the pieces are supposed to fall faster than a human can move them side-to-side, using a form of button mashing to allow yourself to drop the pieces where you want them to go, all while executing each and every one of the ~10,000 piece drops near-perfectly, all while avoiding game crash triggers for about 1/4 of the run.
Oh, and the AI from the video above doesn't have problems with this, but good luck even SEEING the pieces in the glitched colors sections, like 33:45 ("Dust"), 34:16 ("Charcoal"), 37:08 ("Dusk 2"), 39:31 ("Charcoal 2"), 39:46 ("Greeeeeeeen"), 43:11 ("Burnt Key Lime Pie 2"). To make matters worse, if you're a human doing a run, there's an 810-line-long level where all the pieces are a dark, barely-visible green (53:18 in the video, though since the video starts on level 18 instead of level 0 this level is dark grey instead).
Have fun!

[lostinidlewonder]

I saw a video of a human who got the tertis rebirth last year.

[perfect_pitch]

I must admit... some of the gaming reactions on the internet are just sad to watch. There are people who cry over stuff like this... I mean, some of it's pathetic.

(scroll to 4:00 - headphone warning)

Seriously?

[liszt-and-the-galops]

I saw a video of a human who got the tertis rebirth last year.

AFAIK, dogplayingtetris is currently the only person on the planet who has done it (iirc on a modded version that gets past the game crash triggers)

Hang on, let me fact-check that... yep.

If we're talking "hardest video game," this is probably my vote.

[summoner]

I'd say World of Warcraft. It gets pretty addicting once you're into it.

[gasplamey]

LMAO no.
I've had this argument at least a dozen times, and the only thing that ever comes up in support of that opinion is
There is literally ONE input in that game: tap/release. That's what your "150+ frame perfects" are.

Why don't you try some of the hardest (read: impossible) levels in the game right now?
CYCLOLCYC:

Lunar Empress:

Or the new (as of about one day ago) Top 1, Necrotic Majesty (SEIZURE WARNING IN ALL CAPS):

If you want the hardest level that is about to be beaten by a human, then try Flamewall (WR=62%, 39-100):

GRIEF (WR=80%, 25-100):

or Amethyst (WR=61%):

Let's see how your "Tetris rebirth" stacks up, shall we? (pun intended)

[liszt-and-the-galops]

Let's see how your "Tetris rebirth" stacks up, shall we? (pun intended)
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That was actually a really good joke, but then you had to ruin it by writing "pun intended."
Also IMO anything made by the fans of the game that is literally not possible shouldn't count lmao, it kind of ruins the point of "hardest video game challenge."
Anyways if we're going by "Frame-Perfects," then allow me to humbly submit an impossible challenge from my favorite game that is essentially "obtain all collectibles in the water region as the character who can't breathe underwater."
A few obstacles include:
The region does not normally spawn for that character, so you have to set something comparable up in a special mode called "Expedition" and get lucky with a spawn point that is in that region.
Then you have to actually navigate the region, which is pretty darn tough as any of the characters (only barely possible in some areas if you're unlucky), but with only 35% the breath compacity of any of the other characters (it might be lower, I don't remember the specifics because I stopped trying to attempt it like a year ago lol).
Once you've figured that out, you have to get all of the collectibles in that region, and you have to deliver some of them to a different location in a different region entirely. (Guess what: that region is ALSO a water region!)
I'm 99% sure that it's completely impossible, and because of the game's design (an insanely life-like ecosystem where any slight change in your movement -- even a few pixels -- can butterfly-effect everything in the entire region) it definitely has more "pixel-perfect inputs" than any of your examples.
It also definitely doesn't come close to "hardest video game challenge."

Really though, I don't give a sh*t about "frame-" or "pixel-perfect inputs" because they mean nothing. You can have an input that is technically pixel-perfect (as in, can only be executed successfully on a single pixel) and still have it be incredibly easy because of other factors like complexity of input (one tap vs. pressing multiple buttons at once/successively), to give an example.

And if you really want something that's more difficult than any of the "impossible" community-made levels that you suggested, then here's your answer:
Speedrun a game with a well-developed tool-assisted-speedrun one frame faster than the fastest TAS for that game.
Since that is something that hasn't been done by even a TAS (which I'm assuming is what was used to "clear" those levels you suggested), then it is by definition harder beating than those levels.


One more thing...
I kind of hate these "hardest impossible video game challenge" things. IMO they defeat the entire point of having a "hardest *anything*" discussion. I'm turning in for the night now because I have some important stuff IRL tomorrow (technically today lol), but I'll be happy to elaborate on this later.

[perfect_pitch]

For me, I'm usually not interested in those hardest level ever sort of things either...

I saw this guy playing A dance of fire and ice, and realised that this is all he does... sits at a computer and types on the keyboard.

Can't think of anything else that would be more boring to watch...

[lostinidlewonder]

Tetris raises 900,000,000.

[gasplamey]

The region does not normally spawn for that character, so you have to set something comparable up in a special mode called "Expedition" and get lucky with a spawn point that is in that region.
Then you have to actually navigate the region, which is pretty darn tough as any of the characters (only barely possible in some areas if you're unlucky), but with only 35% the breath compacity of any of the other characters (it might be lower, I don't remember the specifics because I stopped trying to attempt it like a year ago lol).
Once you've figured that out, you have to get all of the collectibles in that region, and you have to deliver some of them to a different location in a different region entirely. (Guess what: that region is ALSO a water region!)
I'm 99% sure that it's completely impossible, and because of the game's design (an insanely life-like ecosystem where any slight change in your movement -- even a few pixels -- can butterfly-effect everything in the entire region) it definitely has more "pixel-perfect inputs" than any of your examples.
It also definitely doesn't come close to "hardest video game challenge."

Sounds like child's play compared to even Balistic Wistfully, which isn't even in the top ten on the Impossible Levels List.
It may have more pixel-perfect inputs oon 60 fps than CYCLOLCYC has on 1974 fps, but try doing them on the same fps. You'll quickly see which is really harder.

Also IMO anything made by the fans of the game that is literally not possible shouldn't count lmao, it kind of ruins the point of "hardest video game challenge."

It's in the game, is it not?
It's part of the game then.

Really though, I don't give a sh*t about "frame-" or "pixel-perfect inputs" because they mean nothing. You can have an input that is technically pixel-perfect (as in, can only be executed successfully on a single pixel) and still have it be incredibly easy because of other factors like complexity of input (one tap vs. pressing multiple buttons at once/successively), to give an example.

A frame-perfect input is a frame perfect input.

Also, have you considered that, out of more than 700 million people who have played GD at one point, not one of them has beaten GRIEF or Amethyst? That speaks volumes about how difficult they are.

And if you really want something that's more difficult than any of the "impossible" community-made levels that you suggested, then here's your answer:
Speedrun a game with a well-developed tool-assisted-speedrun one frame faster than the fastest TAS for that game.
Since that is something that hasn't been done by even a TAS (which I'm assuming is what was used to "clear" those levels you suggested), then it is by definition harder beating than those levels.

I don't know what a TAS is, but the three "impossible" levels I listed were showcased by botting them.

One more thing...
I kind of hate these "hardest impossible video game challenge" things. IMO they defeat the entire point of having a "hardest *anything*" discussion. I'm turning in for the night now because I have some important stuff IRL tomorrow (technically today lol), but I'll be happy to elaborate on this later.

This from the guy who admitted to loving the Furry Hollow Knight game?
Give me a break.

[liszt-and-the-galops]

It's in the game, is it not?
It's part of the game then.

A frame-perfect input is a frame perfect input.

If we're including anything that's "in the game," then I wish you luck trying to complete the current FOURTH most difficult modded Celeste level, Forsaken City TASide:

If you finish that, have fun with the current hardest modded level, Chrome Hearts:

What's that? Doesn't look too bad? Let me show you why there was so much advanced movement tech...

Also, have you considered that, out of more than 700 million people who have played GD at one point, not one of them has beaten GRIEF or Amethyst? That speaks volumes about how difficult they are.

*Searches "how many people have played Tetris?"*
Okay.

I don't know what a TAS is, but the three "impossible" levels I listed were showcased by botting them.[/font]

TAS stands for tool-assisted speedrun. Basically it involves placing every single input you're going to make, one frame at a time, to do something that is normally impossible for a human (most often a speedrun).

This from the guy who admitted to loving the Furry Hollow Knight game?
Give me a break.[/font]

We already had this discussion...

Sounds like child's play compared to even Balistic Wistfully, which isn't even in the top ten on the Impossible Levels List.
It may have more pixel-perfect inputs oon 60 fps than CYCLOLCYC has on 1974 fps, but try doing them on the same fps. You'll quickly see which is really harder.

I refer you to my previous argument that we shouldn't be including impossible challenges in any "hardest x" discussion.
After all, the whole point of these discussions is to celebrate our greatest achievements. As an example, what's the most difficult piano piece that anyone has played? Regardless of what your answer is, the implication is that it's incredibly impressive that someone has played that piece. What's the most challenging thing humans as a species have done? Whether your answer is the moon landings, building societies, or even just doing something really hard in a video game, you're still using the discussion as an opportunity to celebrate what you believe is humanity's most impressive achievement. Listing anything that is completely impossible in these discussions misses the entire point of them.

[perfect_pitch]

Any chance we can just bring this level of discussion down to our love of video games, and not an argument over the technicality of frame-perfect games???

There's so much more fun to be had in not getting caught up in this debate. I'll try and get the topic back on track.

Anyone remember the days of Duke Nukem 3D and the interactive world
Quake with its polygonal rendering?
Goldeneye with its 360 degree movement?
Max Payne and its gritty story line about a cop who lost everything, but avenged those who took it away from him?

[liszt-and-the-galops]

Any chance we can just bring this level of discussion down to our love of video games, and not an argument over the technicality of frame-perfect games???

That's exactly what I'm trying to do, lol.

[perfect_pitch]

Okay then... do you have any further points to add or bring about in terms of your love of video games?

What's the most nostalgic game you had in your childhood???

[liszt-and-the-galops]

What's the most nostalgic game you had in your childhood???

Probably Kirby: Squeak Squad (European name is Mouse Attack which is much funnier IMO). My parents grabbed it for me a few days after release (2006), and it's the first video game that I properly remember playing. Heck, I even remember that I got stuck on the third boss (which I still think is the most annoying in the game) until I figured out that the Tornado copy ability was stupidly overpowered in that game lol.
It still hold a special place in my heart, even though I much prefer the past three major Kirby releases (SA, FL, RTDLDX) and a lot of other games to the series as well (Celeste, Okami, Rain World, and a few others).

What about you?

[perfect_pitch]

I'm definitely old school - I remember when Doom made its way onto computers in 1995. At the same time I was playing 'The Incredible Machine 3', successor to the original DOS based game.

I loved that Rube-Goldberg goal type game. Then came along Duke Nukem. I even found a way to get the Violence and nudity patched back into the game (Australian version was censored because the government and rating bureau are a bunch of prudish twats) using a code in DOS. Felt like a real rebel.