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Topic: diabelli variations - theme taken from sonata op.111?  (Read 1527 times)

Offline pianonut

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ok.  here's another sidetrack (was supposed to be studying hayden and mozart).  i think i read that there's a theme in the diabelli that mirrors a theme in op.111. i haven't had time to look.  does anyone know more about this?
do you know why benches fall apart?  it is because they have lids with little tiny hinges so you can store music inside them.  hint:  buy a bench that does not hinge.  buy it for sturdiness.

Offline dkainoa

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Re: diabelli variations - theme taken from sonata op.111?
Reply #1 on: July 07, 2009, 09:18:54 PM
This is a VERY LATE reply, but i think it remains interesting, and more importantly; may be of interest in the future to another. The Diabelli waltz shares the same key as the Arietta in op.111 and the 32nd variation..."also shares certain motivic and structural features, while the characters of the two themes could not be more disparate. One can hear the Arietta as yet another, more distant, offspring of the 'waltz'." (Brendel, Alfred, Music Sounded Out: Essays, Lectures, Interviews, Afterthoughts).

Offline neardn

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Re: diabelli variations - theme taken from sonata op.111?
Reply #2 on: July 08, 2009, 11:05:40 PM
It's on the last page of the last variation, and it's extremely subtle (all musical jokes should be). The entire variation is almost like a parody of the arietta.

I believe Haydn also used this descending tonic-third step-dominant in some of his pieces too.

 

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