I hate the United Nations.

[mikeyg]

And I don't care if I've offended anybody who is associated with them.  They are, without a doubt, the worst way to waste money ever developed by man.  An example:

In the early 90s (i believe) in cote d'ivory, there was a civil war going on.  The legitimate government was unable to control the situation, so they hired mercinaries (yes, professional soldiers for hire) to quell the rebellion.  With approximately 300 soldiers, against the tens of thousands of murdering rapist rebels, they were able to supress the rebels at a cost of 20 million dollars per year.  Enter UN.  with 13000 troops and at a cost of over 1 BILLION dollars per year, they allowed the dissidents to rise again, before making a cowardly retreat after a couple of their "soldiers" were tortured. 
And I won't even get started about the utter genocide in Rwanda, which had a higher kill rate than the nazi genocide, at over 800000 people in the first 8 months.  And what did the great United Nations do?  Well, they refused to use the word genocide officially, because that would require them to intervine due to their charter.  So they did nothing.

I'm absolutely sick and tired of hearing constant praise about this god-forsaken institution.  These pricks, you complain that the United Sataes does not give .5% of it's GDP to them, are good for absolutely nothing.  What do they need the money for, to sit around and waste resources doing sh*t?  No.  as far as I am concerned, it is over.  It is time that America stops giving to them, time for the world to stop giving to them.

[mikeyg]

And, if you decide to post, please put your current country of residence, to satisfy my own curiosity.

[benji]

I think it is stupid for Americans attack the UN for its actions. We created the darn thing, almost single-handedly, and have always wielded a great degree of power within organization. Now, after attacking Iraq without UN approval, we find ourselves under scrutiny from its leader and some of the members. So the best solution we (as Americans) can think of would be to just scrap it? Just get rid of the largest non-governmental relief agency in the world? Is that really a good idea?

Mikeyg, the first thought that comes to your mind is also to get rid of it? Why not reform it so that actions/inactions like those you mentioned are not repeated? Why not reform the security council. It is within the rules of the UN to amend the charter, right? Maybe we could try to give African nations more power? Anything would be better than getting rid of it.

 ...And why did you not list your country of residence when you asked us to reveal ours? 

Some UN accomplishments (I know that some of these are stretching it, but it is mostly accurate):
https://www.un.org/aboutun/achieve.htm

I'm a prouldy pro-UN American.

[Vivers]

America already doesn't contribute to the UN. It has years and years of its UN fees and dues to pay.

[mikeyg]

I am from the United States.  I do not agree with the war in Iraq.  I do not agree with sending troops over to other countries.  And I definately do not agree with sending any aid what so ever to other countries.  We Americans need to focus on ourselves.  It is not our duty to help the world or to police it, our duty is to ourselves and our own well being.  So stop sending money to other countries, use all those trillions of dollars to reform social security, improve education, tighten our borders.  I have disliked the United Nations lng before we went to Iraq.

[mikeyg]

Oh, and by the way Vivers, America donates more than wice the amount of money to the UN and sees the least benifit from it, so don't give me the "we still owe money" stuff.

[Tash]

basically, you have to accept that all people are morons, and if they weren't wasting your money on that, then they'd be wasting it on something else. and doing moronic things is unavoidable. don't ever take yourself or anyone else seriously because in the end it's all rubbish and even if you think you sound or look good at the time, you probably don't. the entire of history is full of people screwing the world up, and if it wasn't them running it, it would be someone else.
so let's accept the moronity and move on cos it sure as hell isn't changing! just be nice to others and don't be a selfish pr*ck


that's my rant for the day don't get me started or i will go off at you [insert lame/sarcastic smile here]

[mikeyg]

Tash, are you saying that selfishness is bad?  It is quite frankly the opposite. 

"Man—every man—is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others. He must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life." -Ayn Rand

If you are not going to live solely for your own benefit and enjoyment, then there is no point in living. 

[Muzakian]

I don't think Tash even meant that Mikeyg, but anyway, you take a very shallow interpretation of that quote. Who is to say the happiness of others cannot be a part of your own self-interest? Helping others fulfil their own desires and achieve their happiness can therefore be seen not as an act of martyrdom, but perhaps as an act of "selfishness".
Furthermore, we have necessary restrictions on acting out our every desire, because sometimes they are not appropriate - this is called morality. By avoiding acting out those immoral desires which would get us hurt, alienated from others or put in jail, we find we are happier than if we had acted accordingly. As you can see, in reality we cannot all act as individual entities devoid of any relation to one another because we are all a part of the society we live in.
Sorry about the digression - back on topic, I'm not really a keen follower of politics. At all. But for what its worth, I think the concept of the UN is extremely important to world relations and the goal of world peace, even if it an is inert, expensive institution. So I suppose I am pro-UN.
PS. I'm from Australia...

[mikeyg]

No, I know that there are people out there who derive enjoyment from helping others and diong nice things.  But the point is that they ENJOY doing it.  They don't do it out of obligation, but to feel good about THEMSELVES.  The problem occurs when people are forced to help others by society's force.   If you wnat to help poeple, by all means go for it, but don't force ME to give my money to help others (eg: through United Nations).

As to morality, who is the judge of it?  Other people, society?  But, like Tash put so beautifully, "all people are morons", so why should I do what a bunch of morons expect of me.  That simply is not sensible.

[Muzakian]

No, I know that there are people out there who derive enjoyment from helping others and diong nice things.  But the point is that they ENJOY doing it.  They don't do it out of obligation, but to feel good about THEMSELVES.  The problem occurs when people are forced to help others by society's force.   If you wnat to help poeple, by all means go for it, but don't force ME to give my money to help others (eg: through United Nations).

As to morality, who is the judge of it?  Other people, society?  But, like Tash put so beautifully, "all people are morons", so why should I do what a bunch of morons expect of me.  That simply is not sensible.

Giving money to the UN is nobody's moral duty of course, as you say, it is just an exercise of free will and perhaps selfishness too, as I have said previously.
No one person has the power to say what is moral or what is not - it is a function of the time and society we live in. It exists at the societal level, not the individual level, and it's purpose is to allow the society to function optimally. Morality is something you will learn by experience, whether you like it or not. If you are acting immorally then you will inevitably be punished in some form, and that will condition you to act differently. Likewise when you fulfil a moral duty you will probably be rewarded, which will reinforce the behaviour.

[Tash]

yeah of course everyone is selfish, our lives revolve around ourselves. but that doesn't stop you from caring about others, which is why i would think that you would help them, cos it's nice to see others succeeding as well as yourself. in terms of saying that america should just look after itself and bar everyone else, i don't think that's right. if we as a country ignored all the other countries then that's just like watching the those countries less advantaged than america, australia, etc. just go downhill further- how can you live like that! that would be the most miserable thing to see. so basically i don't believe in 'it's all about me and screw everyone else' because it is that attitude that makes life not worth living.
and not wanting to do what some morons expect of you- well then you'll be doing what some other bunch of morons expect of you, so it's a lose-lose situation which cannot be gotten out of!

[Muzakian]

Mikeyg - my last post mustn't have made too much sense. For some reason I thought you were referring to voluntary donations, and not tax dividends. Early mornings do that to me (yes, 1pm is indeed early  ), and I am rather vague at the best of times. So I apologise for the misunderstanding.
Well then, I seem to be landed in a political debate, which is not a place I like to frequent. Basically I agree with Tash - your money is always going to be taken and used for various odds and ends that will ultimately never affect your daily life, so whether it goes to the United Nations or to old age pensioners or to the football usually doesn't bother me personally. How's that for cynicism? 

[mikeyg]

Well, here is my point.  All the money that America gives to other countries would be of better use to the people of America if it was actually used in America.  The problem is that America recieves NOTHING from other countries that it cannot produce itself.  Oil?  Who needs it.  There are more than enough brilliant people in America to come up with alternate forms of energy in the time it would take for the oil fields in Alaska to be depleted (which is why I hate the War in Iraq). Call me an ***hole or whatever you want, but I place my interests above those of a person living 4000 miles away from me who I will never meet.

[mikeyg]

And benji, why exactly do we need a GOVERNMENTAL relief agency?  Government = force, and it is wrong to force someone to give away their money to help others.  (If you can't tell,I really don't like altruism).

[mikeyg]

Basically I agree with Tash - your money is always going to be taken and used for various odds and ends that will ultimately never affect your daily life, so whether it goes to the United Nations or to old age pensioners or to the football usually doesn't bother me personally. How's that for cynicism? 

But it doesn't have to be used for things that don't affect me.  All that money could be used to beef up our borders, improve education and medicare in America.  And that does affect me, because these are the people that I will deal with everyday.

[Tash]

yeah but what about those who don't have the opportunities you have? just being living in america gives you so many chances to succeed in whatever you want- whether you make the most of that is up to you- whilst there are others out there who are just living in order to survive and not get some horrible disease. you have such a good life already why not give some others a better chance, screw never meeting them you won't meet 99% of the population but that doesn't mean they're not out there.
jeez and people wonder why the rest of the world hates the american population with bastards like you living there

ps no offence to the other americans on this forum that i actually like

[mikeyg]

Why should I feel bad for these people?  Compassion is not a natural trait.  So you're trying to tell me that people hate America because we are refusing to be the rest of the worlds b***h?  Why is it our duty to give and expect nothing in return.  Because that is the sad fact: America gets nothing from the world.  You people (rest of world) cry when we go to a war and cry when we don't go into war.  You want us to do your will, feed your people, protect them.  And as sood as we try to do something to benifit ourselves, we all of a sudden become these b*****ds who are trying to rule the world?  No.  You can't live by this double standard which you want to.  You can't expect us to do everything for people who are too inept to survive on their own.  It's called evolution.  (you may not have gotten wind of this theory in Australia yet, I don't know.)

Essentially, GET OFF AMERICA'S ASS!

It is not our duty to serve you, and that you "need" us far more than we need you.  all we need to do is say "no more", and you guys are f***ed.Keep that in mind next time you try to diss us.

[xvimbi]

Oh, this has gotten so funny.

You people (rest of world) cry when we go to a war and cry when we don't go into war.  You want us to do your will, feed your people, protect them.  And as sood as we try to do something to benifit ourselves, we all of a sudden become these b*****ds who are trying to rule the world?  No. 
Essentially, GET OFF AMERICA'S ASS!

It is not our duty to serve you, and that you "need" us far more than we need you.  all we need to do is say "no more", and you guys are f***ed.Keep that in mind next time you try to diss us.

mikeyg, if you really believe the rest of the world should leave America alone, you should also think about the idea that America leave the rest of the world alone (you could be the first one to act on that, if you are really serious about it  )

Who needs Coca Cola or McDonalds? Interestingly, and contrary to your assertions, America needs the rest of the world a lot more than the rest of the world needs America. This is pretty much the only thing that the current administration understands. Otherwise, they wouldn't put so much effort in shaping the world to their liking. Mind you, a lot of other administrations have done so before. America has interfered with every country's affairs whenever they wanted to, using economical and/or military pressure, covert and overt. Yet, they get all upset if anybody complains ("Don't interfere with us, or else...") With all that cheap stuff coming from China, with the cheap labor coming from Mexico and the rest of Central America, with all those smart people (who could solve your oil crisis) being recruited from countries that actually educate them in the first place, who knows how America would look like. America imports a lot more goods than it exports, and it doesn't have anything critical that couldn't be provided by other countries. Well, I take that back: every other town in Texas has the biggest car dealership in the world. That is something!

[mikeyg]

mikeyg, if you really believe the rest of the world should leave America alone, you should also think about the idea that America leave the rest of the world alone (you could be the first one to act on that, if you are really serious about it  )

I am from the United States. I do not agree with the war in Iraq. I do not agree with sending troops over to other countries. And I definately do not agree with sending any aid what so ever to other countries. We Americans need to focus on ourselves. It is not our duty to help the world or to police it, our duty is to ourselves and our own well being. So stop sending money to other countries, use all those trillions of dollars to reform social security, improve education, tighten our borders. I have disliked the United Nations lng before we went to Iraq.

I want NO involvement with the rest of the world, xmbivi.  That is essentiallt the point of this thread.

[xvimbi]

I want NO involvement with the rest of the world, xmbivi.  That is essentiallt the point of this thread.

I got that.

This is an international forum. How does that fit with your attitude? Do you play only Copeland and Sousa? Hanon was French! You have a Steinway NY hopefully. Your car is a GM, your computer an Apple (made in the USA? Not likely).

In other words, I doubt that it is possible for you to have NO involvement with the rest of the world, unless you live in Idaho and grow your own potatos.

[mikeyg]

No, I infact don't like American composers for the most part.  Essentially, my biggest problem is with the free stuff we give away.  I have no problem with business transactions or anything of that nature, they are necessary (for the time being).  I don't care if this is an international forum or not, I want all the countries to keep to themselves.  I just speak about America in particular because I am American.  It is the place with which I am most familiar.   
Obviously we need to have some trade, for there are things which simply are not here (natural jewels, etc.).  However, we can be much more self sufficient than we currently are.   We don't need to trade for oil or materials (America is a huge landmass with an abundance of natural resources).  See, my plan goes much deeper than just ending wasteful international funds.  It (if it were to go into effect) would be very tough for a while, but in the end every one would be better for it.
And, the world does need America much more than it needs the world.  Lets say we stopped participating with other countries.  What would happen to them.  China-ruined.   Japan- economically destroyed.  India- becomes much weaker.  Africa- millions of people die due to the massive senseless Civil Wars that would ensue.
What happens to America?  oh, it will hurt, for sure.  but only for so long, untilpeople learn to live on their own.  We will become much stronger and unified nation.

[xvimbi]

No, I infact don't like American composers for the most part.  Essentially, my biggest problem is with the free stuff we give away.  I have no problem with business transactions or anything of that nature, they are necessary (for the time being).  I don't care if this is an international forum or not, I want all the countries to keep to themselves.  I just speak about America in particular because I am American.  It is the place with which I am most familiar.   
Obviously we need to have some trade, for there are things which simply are not here (natural jewels, etc.).  However, we can be much more self sufficient than we currently are.   We don't need to trade for oil or materials (America is a huge landmass with an abundance of natural resources).  See, my plan goes much deeper than just ending wasteful international funds.  It (if it were to go into effect) would be very tough for a while, but in the end every one would be better for it.
And, the world does need America much more than it needs the world.  Lets say we stopped participating with other countries.  What would happen to them.  China-ruined.   Japan- economically destroyed.  India- becomes much weaker.  Africa- millions of people die due to the massive senseless Civil Wars that would ensue.
What happens to America?  oh, it will hurt, for sure.  but only for so long, untilpeople learn to live on their own.  We will become much stronger and unified nation.

You do see where this attitude would lead to? Let's say the US says "We don't need the rest of the world". But then, what if California says "We don't need West Virginia. We can do without them". What if San Diego says "Who needs Sausalito?" And South Sand Diego doesn't need North San Diego; your neighbor doesn't need you. You both need guns to cover your fences and Hummers to get around the potholes in the roads. I know many people think that way, but is it the right way? This reflects a return to the stone age, a bunch of people without a society, doing their own stuff. Society means that people are pulling together, and they should, because it's much easier that way.

If you want to go it yourself, be prepared to never get any help for any trouble you might end up in.

[xvimbi]

Lets say we stopped participating with other countries.  What would happen to them.  China-ruined.   Japan- economically destroyed.  India- becomes much weaker.  Africa- millions of people die due to the massive senseless Civil Wars that would ensue.

That is quite a naive view. Where would you get your goods from? You would have to manufacture them in the US. They would become exorbitantly expensive, because salaries are so much higher. So then salaries will have to be reduced, living standards will go down. China and Japan can still engage in trade with the rest of the world. Do you seriously think that the US would do well completely on its own?

[mikeyg]

I've fallen out of my original view.  I am agaisnt governmental relations, but I am oll for business deals.  Obviously we Americans need that Chinese Slave lobor in order to be as happy as we are now, and become happier.

[musik_man]

I've fallen out of my original view. I am agaisnt governmental relations, but I am oll for business deals. Obviously we Americans need that Chinese Slave lobor in order to be as happy as we are now, and become happier.

America has to have relations with the outside world.  Isolationism isn't an effective ideology.  We can't have long term national security without interacting with the rest of the world.

You also completely misinterpret the economics behind trade.  We don't need "Chinese slave labor."  The reason why countries such as China or Mexico have cheap labor is that they lack the infrastructure and environment of more developed  countries; hence, the labor of their workers produces less value than the labor of US workers.  The gulf in productivity is much larger in more advanced areas of work, so those countries have a comparitive advantage in manufacturing, which is why they do so much of that.

That is quite a naive view. Where would you get your goods from? You would have to manufacture them in the US. They would become exorbitantly expensive, because salaries are so much higher. So then salaries will have to be reduced, living standards will go down. China and Japan can still engage in trade with the rest of the world. Do you seriously think that the US would do well completely on its own?

Living standards would fall if the US stopped trading but not quite in the way you describe.  Salaries would remain the same.  What would happen is that the price of imported goods would rise as they can't be produced as cheaply in the US as they were abroad.

Remember that salaries are higher in the US, because workers in the US are more productive.

BTW on the original subject.  I'm against the UN because I believe it is a poorly made institution.  The fact that Libya is on the Human Rights commission and that Syria is on the Defense Council show that.

[mikeyg]

Atleast someone else dislikes the UN

[mikeyg]

I don't see how anybody can support an orqanization which had Syria on the security council andAlgeria on the Humanitarian council.

[mikeyg]

Proud to be an American:  https://www.worldbank.org/data/databytopic/GDP.pdf



 


Unfortunately, we are the source of over 25% of the UN's money.
 

[dinosaurtales]

Well, mikeyg, you 've hit the nail on the head.  the UN is a useless bureacracy, run by "I'm better than you" elitists who see themselves "ruling the world".  thank god they don't actually accomplish anything.  I just wish the US would dump them as the useless elitists they are and spend the money we send to them , well, anywhere else.

[xvimbi]

I don't see how anybody can support an orqanization which had Syria on the security council andAlgeria on the Humanitarian council.

You are not thinking far enough. You see only a few measly Dollars, but you don't have a clue about the long-term strategy.

Yup, the UN is pretty useless. They have Syria on the Security Council, Libya on the Human Rights Commission, and they can't stop a trigger-happy country to go to war.

It's very smart by the US to get the UN established on their own soil in the first place, then butter it up so that it can be manipulated more easily, and to make sure that it is without power when it would hurt the US. Kyoto and the International Criminal Court are two more of these examples. It is always easy to set things up, then undermine them so that they become dysfunctional and then come yelling "It doesn't work. Let's abandon it", when it's opportune.

If you haven't realized it, the US doesn't give a s*** about the UN or the rest of the world already, you don't need to push for that. Being involved in these organizations, and giving them a tiny amount of money is a bargain for havoing more control over what is going on in the world.

[mikeyg]

Yep xvimbi, you are absolutely right.  I mean, the UN doesn't fight America on every godd**n motherf***ing thing we do, right?
Not really.  For all the billiong of dollars we have pumped into them, one would expect better rewards.  But we don't get them, they have fought us everystep of the way.  I have an idea to make the UN somewhat useful.  Commandeer their buildings in NY and put homeless people in them.  That way, at least some good will come out of it.

[mikeyg]

And you forgot to mention where you are from, xvimbi.

[xvimbi]

Yep xvimbi, you are absolutely right.  I mean, the UN doesn't fight America on every godd**n motherf***ing thing we do, right?
Not really.  For all the billiong of dollars we have pumped into them, one would expect better rewards.  But we don't get them, they have fought us everystep of the way.  I have an idea to make the UN somewhat useful.  Commandeer their buildings in NY and put homeless people in them.  That way, at least some good will come out of it.

Ah, you think you can buy your way. Put some money into it, and everyone has to oblige. No wonder you get upset when you don't get what you want. Maybe there is a reason why the rest of the world objects to so much of what the US does. But of course, one has to blame the rest of the world, not the US.

And you forgot to mention where you are from, xvimbi.

What does that have to do with anything? I'm not a chauvinist; I don't attach silly sentimentalities to a patch of land on this planet, any patch.

[mikeyg]

That ashamed of your homeland, eh?

[xvimbi]

That ashamed of your homeland, eh?

Yup, indeed! 

You're so predictable. You really think that anybody who criticizes U.S. conduct must automatically come from a puny, meaningless foreign country? Cute.

[mikeyg]

Ididn't imply at all that you were from a small, meaningless country.  At all.  And my comment was kind of a joke.   I don't see how you are so reluctant to tell where you are from, it doesn't reflect on you at all.

[mikeyg]

People seem really reluctant to read this thread... Too politically incorrect?

[Daevren]

Ididn't imply at all that you were from a small, meaningless country. 

Aw... He probably has a small dick then.

If its irrelevant, then why do you care? Maybe he is from the US too, maybe not.

How many money does the US spend every year? What good is it? The only thing it does that is not terribly bad is make their citizens bluntly attack citizens of other countries on a piano discussion board.

Its useless! Lets get rid of it!


I really considered a serious discussion, but I figured it would not have any effect.

The neo-cons decided to try and take down the UO so now FOX news is broadcasting some anti UN propaganda. And of course that has effect.

I am actually ashamed of my country because it was once very powerful and thus did alot of bad things involving genocide, slavery, war crimes, war etc. I suggest you do the same thing. Even more so because your country is still doing that and mine kind of stopped with it 100 years ago. Notice not because they became moral enlightened or something, that never happens. But because they became too weak.

It is estimated that only 7 to 25% of the american citizens own a passport. This means more than 75% never visited another country. The average american doesn't care about other countries. Yet their government does. They mingle in with everything that goes on. The result of the disinterest is that americans are very uninformed about everything that happens outside of their countries. Quite democratic, eh? How in the world would the population control their government there?

About the UN, sure it costs money. Sure the world is still filled with war and war crimes. Do you have an alternative? Surely the US taking over the world and laying down international law would only make things worse. They have a poor record already. All the post-war US presidents would be hanged if put on trial under Nuremberg laws. Add to it the total disinterest of their population and the mis and disinformation in their nationwide media(who are all controlled by multi-nationals with all kinds of interest that oppose well informed citizens) and it doesn't really get any better.

Hmm, I think I got a bit too serious with you. I am sorry.

[mikeyg]

No I don't think you were too serious, i'm just trying to figure out what the hell you said. Give me a minute.

[benji]

And benji, why exactly do we need a GOVERNMENTAL relief agency? 

We need governmental (and non-governmental) relief agencies in order to provide for the common welfare of the world and its peoples. We can withdraw our $350 million pledge to help rebuild Southeast Asia. How would that be beneficial to anyone? We could also let millions of people starve every month, but there are too many nice people that actually care for people other than themselves. Gosh, what idiots! There are people in America who could probably live in larger houses or have nicer cars if they didn't help people, and what is wrong with that?

The United States is not required to be in the UN. We could leave right now if we wanted to. None of our money is being forced into the UN, since we are voluntary members (and the UN's creator). If you have a problem with the fact that some fractions of a percent of America's GDP is being syphoned off into the UN, in order to help people and promote democracy around the world, then you can write your congressman and tell him to stop supporting the U.N.

It's great that you link to the World Bank, since it's a UN organization.  And, Musik_Man, if you so objected to Syria and Algeria holding those positions, you could have tried and stopped it. You do know that these countries were appointed to such positions through an election? You could have done more than criticize it after the fact.

[mikeyg]

"It's useless!  Let's get rid of this!"
What?  America, the UN, Piano froum?.  You need a propper noun here.

"UO"
I think this is UN, but it may be another organization.  Enlighten me.

"It is estimated that only 7 to 25% of the american citizens own a passport"
That's a pretty big range.  I'm pretty sure they know exactly how many people own a passport.  Where did you get this info?

"I am actually ashamed of my country because it was once very powerful and thus did alot of bad things involving genocide, slavery, war crimes, war etc. I suggest you do the same thing."
You want America to commit genocide, go bace to slavery and torture people?  Are you f***ing serious?  I really can't figure out is this post is completely sarcastic or partly, or not at all, or if you are just retarded.

"The result of the disinterest is that americans are very uninformed about everything that happens outside of their countries."
Good.  We don't really want to hear about the stupid sh*t the rest of the world does, unless it potentially concerns us  ex.  North Korea's attempt at building a nuclear bomb.

"Surely the US taking over the world and laying down international law would only make things worse."
Okay, maybe you are illeterate, I don't know.  I have said multiple times that I don't want the US involved with the world above a business level.  Us taking over the world would require involvement with it (unless you all kill eachother on your own, which is quite possible)

Where the hell are you from?  America?  If not, how the hell would you know in such detail what we were like or what our media is like?

Please try to explain what you are saying in this post and what the point of it was.

[benji]

Good.  We don't really want to hear about the stupid *** the rest of the world does, unless it potentially concerns us  ex.  North Korea's attempt at building a nuclear bomb.

Don't say "we," since I'm sure most of America would soundly disagree with you.

[mikeyg]

No, Benji, like I said, government = force.  The money that we give to the UN isn't voluntary in the least, because it is a TAX.  
It's not my responsibility to feed a bunch of idiots who built their homes on the shore of an island 100 miles away from a fault line.  
I WANT US TO LEAVE THE UN!  Of course we could leave at any moment, but we won't because a couple of alttuistis bimbos in congress would cry about it.  
World Bank was the first thing that popped up when I googled it. This is better:
www.cia.gov/cia/publications/ factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html

The fact that these retards elected syria and algeria to any positions of power is only more proof that we need to get rid of these f***ers.

Plus, dude, I'm 16 f***ing years old.  I haven't been into the whole "political" thing for a long time.  If I were 6 years older, I would have just fought the UN for 6 years longer.

[mikeyg]

Listen, I don't want to start verbal warfare on the piano forum.  Let's just let the thread die.
I'm sorry if i was overly rude to anyone, I apologize, but I have been in a pretty bad mood recently.

[mikeyg]

Post # 100... 
Is there a way I could delete the thread, so I don't yell at anyone else?

[benji]

No, you don't give any money to the UN. Because you're 16.

[mikeyg]

Yes but my parents give money, which in turn could be spent on me

[Daevren]

"It's useless!  Let's get rid of this!"
What?  America, the UN, Piano froum?.  You need a propper noun here.

The US of course.

I think this is UN, but it may be another organization.  Enlighten me.

You are right there, I did misspell there. I meant the UN.

That's a pretty big range.  I'm pretty sure they know exactly how many people own a passport.  Where did you get this info?

Thats because the US has a state system. They don't bother to count who actually has a passport on federal level. Where I got the info? I read about this several times in some newspapers. And today I used google to confirm it.

You want America to commit genocide, go bace to slavery and torture people?

I am saying you should be ashamed of your country also. Thats the only thing I am doing. I am not committing genocide or war crimes. Both our countries did.

Good.  We don't really want to hear about the stupid *** the rest of the world does.

Firstly, this is a bad thing. But if you feel this way, shouldn't you focus more on your own government first, instead of the UN? The UN isn't getting the US involved into everything that happens in the world. Your government is and has been for a very long time.
 

Okay, maybe you are illeterate, I don't know.  I have said multiple times that I don't want the US involved with the world above a business level.

You think that could work? No above business level invlovement? Who would protect US interests oversea? I can tell you this, american business needs the american government backing them up to make money. This is never going to happen because both the democrats and republicans need multinational support.

Us taking over the world would require involvement with it (unless you all kill eachother on your own, which is quite possible)

Sure, we kill each other. Hmm...

Where the hell are you from?  America?  If not, how the hell would you know in such detail what we were like or what our media is like?

Because I care. American is the big bad bully on the block. Using both national and international media of different kinds I am able to know how the world works, up to some point. And I also know how the americans could think, depending on the things they say.

I am not 'disclosing' my country because, as you said, its not important. And, if you are smart and know your history you might even figure it out. Well, at least close it down to a handful of countries.

Please try to explain what you are saying in this post and what the point of it was.

Do you know how international politics work? Its a gruesome duelling pit. Power rules. And with the globalisation it has become imminent to have international 'co-operation'.

Funny thing how you already know your opinion in 6 years considering you say you know very little at this point because you are only 16 and not into the whole politics thing.

Why do you think the US is still in the UN? Do you really thing Bush things the UN is money well spend?

Also, the World Bank is not part of the UN.

All these organisations exist so the powerful, those being the western world, Europe, the US, can impose their power on the weak and so gain advantage in the duelling pit called international politics. That is why the US is so rich. Why do you think the US helped fight against the Germans in WWII? Why do you think they joined in after the balance had already changed in favor of the Russians and the Brits? Why do you think they helped rebuild Europe? Because of their own interest. Why do you think they founded the UN?

Its not because of altruistic bimbos, its because of egoistic ones.

[mikeyg]

Well, I'm assuming you're from a country like ausrtia, germany, or the netherlands.