Most efficient "start from anywhere by memory" system of training/pracitce?

[m1469]

How pedantic should one get ?  Learn how to start from every beat ?  Every down-beat ?


How does one most efficiently go about this ? 

The aim is to play from memory starting from "anywhere" in the piece, but the score is needed to begin with (otherwise one would already be achieving the goal).  So, play seven times from a place with the score... seven times without ?  How far does one go from the start into the music, just a start and a couple beats ?

Thanks very much for any suggestions,

m1469

[lagin]

        You know how each piece is full of "little phrases," right?  I, personally would try to be able to start at the beginning of these.  Like if it's a crazy scale run, I'd want to know how to start it from memory, but I'd definitely not take the time to be able to begin and continue on any given note in it.  It would be too hard to know what finger was on what key at any given moment.

[m1469]

Thanks lagin and I found stuff in Chang  (I had looked and thought I could not find what I was looking for... should have known).

[ramseytheii]

How pedantic should one get ?  Learn how to start from every beat ?  Every down-beat ?


How does one most efficiently go about this ? 

The aim is to play from memory starting from "anywhere" in the piece, but the score is needed to begin with (otherwise one would already be achieving the goal).  So, play seven times from a place with the score... seven times without ?  How far does one go from the start into the music, just a start and a couple beats ?

Thanks very much for any suggestions,

m1469

Please do not waste your time, attempting to start the piece mechanically, from every successive note, one at a time, all the way through the piece.  Please do not bore yourself to death like that.
This is how we learn to start anywhere: sit at the keyboard, and hear the beginning of the piece, on the inside.  I mean to shut out the rest of the world, and hear only the development of the music.  Allow yourself - I do not say make yourself - reach a state of, well some say participation, some say ecstasy - and then start to play.  Wherever you have reached in your mind.  You will then start anywhere.

It is not a mechanical process, memory.  It is a combination of many elements: visual, physical, aural memories.  The primary in music is aural memory.  We must hear first, before attempting anything.

Walter Ramsey

[m1469]

Please do not waste your time, attempting to start the piece mechanically, from every successive note, one at a time, all the way through the piece. Please do not bore yourself to death like that.
This is how we learn to start anywhere: sit at the keyboard, and hear the beginning of the piece, on the inside. I mean to shut out the rest of the world, and hear only the development of the music. Allow yourself - I do not say make yourself - reach a state of, well some say participation, some say ecstasy - and then start to play. Wherever you have reached in your mind. You will then start anywhere.

It is not a mechanical process, memory. It is a combination of many elements: visual, physical, aural memories. The primary in music is aural memory. We must hear first, before attempting anything.

Walter Ramsey

What a really great suggestion.  I will most definitely do this, thank you very much for your reply!

m1469