Curiosity

[Mecarath]

Well I wonder a couple fo things actually. What differs from learning a piece with both hands at the same time or seperately? I saw a couple of posts implying this is more efficient, I like to know why. Also I saw something about bach techniques increases stamina; is it actually a book or the piano solos he composed? Please someone clarify this.
       dav

[steinwayguy]

Well I wonder a couple fo things actually. What differs from learning a piece with both hands at the same time or seperately? I saw a couple of posts implying this is more efficient, I like to know why. Also I saw something about bach techniques increases stamina; is it actually a book or the piano solos he composed? Please someone clarify this.
 dav

The reason you saw the "hands separately" business is because the forum idolizes Chang, who advocates the hands separately method. He says it's much more efficient to perfecting a technique or memorizing a piece. I don't know that it's more efficient, but I know it is definitely a lot better than doing hands together, especially if you're playing a really thick piece- either note-wise (chords, counterpoint) or rhythmically (your fantasie impromptu).

[00range]

A great thread for you to read...

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4858.msg46087.html#msg46087

As Bernhard always says, "Just the tip of the iceberg!" 

[japzz]

it's not that this forum adores the Chang guy,hands only practice is a method numerous teachers-including mine,who never heard of the Chang document - teach  their pupils.Btw,Chang NEVER says he "invented this method as he didn't invent anything he wrote in his document.I wonder if anyone here on this forum who talks about the famous Chang-document as if it's written by some kind of paria ever really read it.People who have nicknames like " steinwayguy " or "rachlistchopin" should know the history of music teaching in western world....or else choose another name like....hmm....."wouldbesteinwayguy" or wouldberachlistchopin" so that beginning pianists who post questions on this forum about practicing hand-alone don't get too much intimidated by dumb and arrogant responses like "The reason you saw the "hands separately" business is because the forum idolizes Chang, who advocates the hands separately method" by self proclaimed specialists.
My statement :practicing hands alone is a very usefull method which can save you a lot of time and sanity...

[stefo78]

It may have some scientific explanations, if we look a bit more about what's happening in the brain.
HS : you can imagine three separate blocks in your brain, one for LH, one for RH, and one for coordination.
HT : you can imagine that these three aspects are scattered somewhere, and finally you don't know exactly what's happening.

I'm not sure if you see what I mean (I'm not sure myself), but let's say it seems natural to separate big problems in little simple problems.

[michael_student]

As a beginner/intermediate player I'm not qualified to answer to the question.  But I do wish the disagreements in this discussion group could be expressed in a less personal way.  I do understand how frustrating it is to be an expert at something and hear stuff that sounds like misinformation, or to deal with the same disagreement repeatedly.  Because of my own desire for harmony during Christmas time, I wish the topical disagreements and corrections could be done using words that don't tend to make people feel attacked.  I'm excited about this because I'm just learning to do it myself (using ideas from Marshall Rosenberg's book "Nonviolent Communications"), and even my clumsy attempts have reduced the arguing in my marriage to a small fraction of what it used to be.

I admire people who are conscientious enough to master this difficult instrument (the piano), or even teach it.  I know it's the internet, but I do have higher expectations of you guys than typical internet discussion groups talking about sports or politics.  So a few weeks ago I was surprised to see this tone between different people on this board about a different topic. 

[chopinlover01]

  I know it's the internet, but I do have higher expectations of you guys than typical internet discussion groups talking about sports or politics.  So a few weeks ago I was surprised to see this tone between different people on this board about a different topic. 

You don't get to decide how people behave.... like you said, it's the internet.
All the best

[brogers70]

You don't get to decide how people behave.... like you said, it's the internet.
All the best

That's true, I suppose, but we are also free to ask the moderator to moderate more aggressively with respect to tone. Not every place on the internet needs to become dominated by unpleasant wrangling. We don't have to lower expectations for civility just because it is the internet.