What's on your mind now?

[dizzyfingers]

The answer is YES.  It transcends cultural and historical differences. It transcends cultural and historical differences of the white and East Asian communities.

End of logic lesson. 

 

Yes, that's a cute logic lesson and a cutesy conclusion, not without some grain of truth.

But I think we'd get more out of a general discussion of which cultures pursue classical music (as performers and listeners) and which cultures do not, and why.

Logic doesn't work too well when applied to generalities.  The more general the subject the more assumptions are being made, the more variables there are - - - feel free to talk to your chatbot friend about where logic works well and where it starts to be inapplicable ...

[orgarnic]

Is this what is on your mind right now?

[frodo10]

Yes, that's a cute logic lesson and a cutesy conclusion, not without some grain of truth.

But I think we'd get more out of a general discussion of which cultures pursue classical music (as performers and listeners) and which cultures do not, and why.

Logic doesn't work too well when applied to generalities.  The more general the subject the more assumptions are being made, the more variables there are - - - feel free to talk to your chatbot friend about where logic works well and where it starts to be inapplicable ...

Okay - fair point.  However the discussion I gave on logic was in regard to a very small point that AI gave for the relevance and popularity of the Chopin competition and Chopin's music.  This AI response was given to counter the hypothesis that Rach gave stating the Chopin Competition should be abolished! 

Let's forget the AI response that I gave and start again. Let's remove the AI response and concentrate instead on the following.

Rach's thread is entitled "Abolish the Chopin Competition!"

Brooo how do people not get tired of this???  Chopin died almost 200 years ago if he was alive today he’d be like what is wrong with you people.  I don’t like listening to my own music more than twice in a row imagine people torturing you in music purgatory for almost 200 years.  There’s 84 people playing the same sh*t. We don’t need another Chopin nocturne.  We don’t need another complete set of etudes.  There are no new interpretations every stone has been turned.  Every tempo, every dynamic, every hidden melody, every voicing, every rubato has been done already there’s literally no point to this. 

The finals they have what like 8 people playing the same two concertos?  I don’t care how good your ears are no human is capable of judging 8 of the same two concertos in a row. 

If you say ‘oh this person brought out a new melody or had the best singing tone I’ve ever heard before’ you’re lying.  You just think the performer is hot or you had a really good night of sleep or it’s good weather outside or something. 

This is why Martha Argerich falls asleep every year even she’s sick of it lol.  I don’t even consider this art anymore.

Okay, here is what I am getting from this.  Please correct me if I am misinterpreting.
1) Rach is sick of hearing the Chopin competition
2) Listening to the music of Chopin is torture for Rach
3) Argerich is sick of the Chopin competition and so falls asleep every year because she is sick of the competition (or perhaps sick of Chopin's music - not sure here).

From this Rach concludes the following:  Here I am just guessing on some things that only Rach himself can clarify.
1) Since Rach is sick of the Chopin competition and Rach is tortured by hearing Chopin's music - the same must be true for everyone else.
2) The fact that many millions love the competition and the competition is more popular now than ever is either due to
a) People are too stupid to know what they like, or
b) Incorrect fact: Chopin's competition is not loved by many millions of people and the competition is not popular

So only Rach can explain the following:
1) Do you believe that Chopin's competition is not loved by many millions of people and the competition is not popular.  If yes, please show us the evidence. 
2) Do you believe that people are smart enough to know what they like and dislike?  Please explain.
3) Do you believe that because you (and maybe a couple others here on Pianostreet) hate the competition, everyone must feel the same as you?  "I hate ice cream, therefore everyone hates ice cream."  Please explain the logic behind this.
4) Would you abolish the competition if you had the authority to do so?  If yes - what does this say about you as a person.  If no - why not?

[orgarnic]

Why not continue this argument in the actual thread where the argument started?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Why not continue this argument in the actual thread where the argument started?

He said he was done engaging with the actual thread and then continued over on this one I have no idea why

[frodo10]

He said he was done engaging with the actual thread and then continued over on this one I have no idea why

I changed my mind.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I changed my mind.

That doesn’t explain why you’re talking about it on a separate thread and why you didn’t just reply to me directly on the original thread

[frodo10]

That doesn’t explain why you’re talking about it on a separate thread and why you didn’t just reply to me directly on the original thread

Please see your original thread.  Sorry for my great confusion on this.

[orgarnic]

Why are you guys still continuing this argument? There is no reason to spread the discord to other places on the forum.