Arpeggios

[minimozart007]

During my last lesson, my private teacher gave me this fingering for ALL the triad arpeggios
( major and minor):

In this order, 4 octaves up and down:

Root: RH 1 2 3
         LH 5 3 2
1st Inversion: RH 1 2 4
                       LH 5 4 2
2nd Inversion: RH 1 2 3
                        LH 5 3 2
Repeat 2nd Inversion: RH 1 2 4
                                    LH 5 4 2
Root (8va up): RH 1 2 4
                        LH 5 4 2

Thoughts? 

[thierry13]

Make you learn all the scales/arpeggios with the same fingering is stupid. Proof that he doesn't want to loose time and explain each arpeggio. He think you are not enough important to be taught well. Just don't loose time with this teacher... change imediatly.

[lagin]

RH 123 and LH 542 for root positions of C+, c-, D+, d-, eb-, E+, e-, F+, f-, F#+, G+, g-, A+, a-, b-

RH 2124 and LH 2142 for root positions of C#+, c#-, Eb+, f#-, Ab+, ab-,

RH 2124 and LH 4214 for root position of Bb+

Rh 123 and LH 5321..321...for root position of B+

RH 231 and LH 321 for root position of bb-

Fingering does not change during arpeggio.  Mind you, these fingerings aren't set in stone, but they sure work for me.
If anyone else wants to take over for the other two positions that would be great since I'm pretty busy.  Bernard?  I'll check back and see if anyone did or not, for I don't want to leave you stranded.  Ask your teacher to show you his or her way.  It's odd to use the same fingering for them all!

[robertp]

Here's some OpEd  .

I got those monolithic fingerings once too. But for a very specific reason, working on stretching (and similar) with the inversions. My teacher also made sure I learned the "standarb" and varying fingerings. The monolithic fingerings worked very well for what we were trying to do at the time. Best of both worlds, perhaps....

%%robert

[goalevan]

what are the monolithic and standard fingerings, and how do you guys practice your arpeggios? I've been wondering this for quite a long time.

[robertp]

Monolithic (as I call 'em) are the ones in the first message of this thread. Standard are those in the followup, also in Hanon and Cooke (but with differences between those two). I practice both, although the monolithic for when I'm doing inversions.

%%robert

[goalevan]

so basically how you practice is by playing each inversion up and down the keyboard using those fingerings?

could someone please give fingerings for the other inversions? many thanks

[janice]

Here is how I first learned arpeggios.  I started with the basics, so let's leave out the minor arpeggios and the inversions.

C,F,G major
R.H. 4124124124124
L.H. 2142142142142

it helps to remember that the thumbs will land together.  But learn the right hand first.  Then the left hand, then together, remembering about the thumbs landing together.  Now, use this same fingering and do.....

Eflat,A flat, Dflat Major
Again, remember that the thumbs land together, but this time the thumbs land on the only white note of these triads.  My teacher had me learn these 3 first, followed by the C,F, and G that I had previously mentioned.  So learn them in whatever order you want.

E,A,D Major
R.H. 2312312312312
L.H. 5321321321321

B Major

R.H.1231231231235
L.H.5321321321321

F sharp Major
I'm totally confused on this one, because the fingering that I learned is humanly impossible.  So I just skip this one--LOL.

So that's the major arpeggios.  Learn these first before learning the minor ones.  If you progress to the minor ones, I could give you the fingering for those, but try these first.  The patterns and groupings make these a breeze to learn!

[lagin]

Not to start a competition with Janice or anything, but if you perfer the fingerings I gave you, let me know and I'll send the other inversions.  If you like her's better, though, that's fine too.  Then I'll let her send you her other inversions. 

Janice try RH 123123.......5(then back down) and LH 5421421ect for F+ arp.

[janice]

Janice try RH 123123.......5(then back down) and LH 5421421ect for F+ arp.

Your RH fingering is the same that I learned but the LH is different.  I like your fingering for the LH.  Thanks! The "humanly impossible" part is with the RH--I can't seem to pass my thumb under when I go from the 4 (on the F sharp) to the 1 (on the A sharp).  Any words of wisdom on that?

[lagin]

Your right hand should go, 1 on F#, 2 on A#, 3 on C#, 1 on F#, 2 on....., shouldn't it?  I'm confused as to what you're asking!

[lagin]

Did you guys know that the "Brown Scale Book" by Frederick Harris Music is only like $9.00 and has the fingering for every scale, arpeggio, and chord there is, in every key?