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Offline goodasgould

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mazeppa fingering
on: March 21, 2002, 02:10:13 AM
Does anyone know any good fingerings for the alternating thirds in Mazeppa? And, while I'm at it, any particular methods for pulling it off smoothly? thanks...

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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #1 on: April 05, 2002, 10:53:07 AM
Yes! I play that one quite often. Oh goodness, I couldn't quite remember what I do so I just played a bit of it now. I assume you mostly mean the first two variations ? I use ordinary old 2/4-3/1 in the left and 1/3-2/4 the right, except where sometimes the right hand plays a fourth, when I use 2/4-1/5. I do use the latter fingerimg (RH) often where the lower note of the third is a black note. Funnily enough I don't seem to in the left !

This suits me - mightn't be right for you of course. Hey, in the descending run of major triads in the right hand in the middle bit, do you use the fourth finger on the blacks or the fifth on everything ?

Rather than take up forum space with tedious detail, email me at verj.jones@xtra.co.nz and I'll take the time to examine what I do. I don't play very many of those studies but Mazeppa is a good workout !

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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #2 on: April 20, 2004, 12:09:44 AM
Ted was giving the easy fingering, which I think most pianists use. I also used that fingering.

But I am now planning to re-work on it with Liszt's intended fingering 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24 . . . which looks odd and difficult, but worth the effort not only on the technical side, but musical. Liszt's fingering adds a lot power and fire to the 'galloping horse' behind Mazeppa's story.
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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #3 on: April 20, 2004, 12:36:00 AM
...Somebody already asked this question, and received an answer (I think  :-/), but that didn't stop SOMEONE who will remain nameless from digging up this fossil-like thread.

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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #5 on: April 20, 2004, 01:58:48 AM
unlike jurassic park, i doubt very much that there will be a movie adaptation of the Hong Kong thread archaeologist extroadinaire's exploits.
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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #6 on: April 20, 2004, 02:02:40 AM
although, peter, i have to admit that i 'DIG' you.

bwahahaha, best joke ever!
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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #7 on: April 20, 2004, 03:28:35 AM
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although, peter, i have to admit that i 'DIG' you.
bwahahaha, best joke ever!

Hm . . . antiques can be fun, hence my digging.
Antiques like Chopin, Liszt, Alkan . . .
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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #8 on: April 20, 2004, 03:36:38 AM
alkan??

you do have some taste after all!
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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #9 on: April 20, 2004, 08:17:36 AM
Ah, yes. Alkan. That was way back some 15 years ago . . . a time not even many piano people like you were around who ever knew in their lives that there was a chap by the name of C.V. Alkan who ever existed...;D
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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #10 on: April 20, 2004, 11:21:02 PM
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Ah, yes. Alkan. That was way back some 15 years ago . . . a time not even many piano people like you were around who ever knew in their lives that there was a chap by the name of C.V. Alkan who ever existed...;D

That's the longest run-on sentence I've read in 17 years.

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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #11 on: May 31, 2004, 10:35:32 PM
???
some people cheat?

from the score:  "it is absolutely inadmissable to facilitate the fingering here"  (weird translation) 2-4 all the way!

It is part of the fun!  

Obviously the fingering changes at the 6/8 part.

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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #12 on: June 02, 2004, 04:25:19 PM
please use 24,24 24 24

it was Liszt's intention.

Of course one can argue (doesn't matter how u play, as long as u can play it)

It's an etude, and if Liszt intended using that fingering, it must be a technical reason. (Just like u can use 15 all the way in Chopin Op.25 No.10)
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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #13 on: May 24, 2006, 02:45:29 PM
please use 24,24 24 24

it was Liszt's intention.

Of course one can argue (doesn't matter how u play, as long as u can play it)

It's an etude, and if Liszt intended using that fingering, it must be a technical reason. (Just like u can use 15 all the way in Chopin Op.25 No.10)

People use the easier ("wimpier") fingering in order to increase speed, but unfortunately the results are often unintelligible because they want to play it so fast.  Maybe Liszt was trying to put a "rein" on the speed?

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Re: mazeppa fingering
Reply #14 on: May 24, 2006, 03:09:54 PM
2-4 is more powerful and gives you more time to be expressive.   ;) (IE, that's what I've learned.  I haven't played it yet.)
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