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Music is an Adventure – Interview with Randall Faber

Randall Faber, alongside his wife Nancy, is well-known for co-authoring the best-selling Piano Adventures teaching method. Their books, recognized globally for fostering students’ creative and cognitive development, have sold millions of copies worldwide. Previously translated into nine languages, Piano Adventures is now also available in Dutch and German. Eric Schoones had the pleasure of speaking with Randall Faber about his work and philosophy. Read more

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MarkFour

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3 against 4

on: May 11, 2005, 01:25:14 PM

I need some help, please. Is there a way to notate 3 against 4 with "long" note values somehow, so I can learn it?

Or is there a set of words that will help me hear the rhythm?

I can't pick it up by ear on recordings.

i learned 2 against 3 cuz i could work it out mathematically, but I'm getting nowhere on this one.

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stephane

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Re: 3 against 4

Reply #1 on: May 11, 2005, 01:36:29 PM

MarkFour,

I didn't try this out but found something that might help you in another forum:

https://groups.google.be/group/rec.music.makers.piano/msg/753528003bfc0d8d?hl=nl&lr=&rnum=2

Hope it helps,

Regards,

Stephane

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MarkFour

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Re: 3 against 4

Reply #2 on: May 11, 2005, 01:56:45 PM

Thanks loads. I think this will do it. GREAT. I'm starting working on it right now. Thanks.

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quantum

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Re: 3 against 4

Reply #3 on: May 16, 2005, 06:36:04 AM

"pass the golden butter"

To do 4 RH, 3 LH:

Together - Right - Left - Right - Left

Use the word phrase above.

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Re: 3 against 4

Reply #4 on: May 16, 2005, 09:35:19 PM

Quote from: quantum on May 16, 2005, 06:36:04 AM

"pass the golden butter"

To do 4 RH, 3 LH:

Together - Right - Left - Right - Left

Use the word phrase above.

That takes me back to my youth.

Used to recite nice cup of tea for 2-3

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Re: 3 against 4

Reply #5 on: May 16, 2005, 10:36:29 PM

If you want more practice in this field.. then try Fantasie Imrpomptu..

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llhyperdude

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Re: 3 against 4

Reply #6 on: May 17, 2005, 10:55:04 PM

Writing out the long rhythm helped me a lot, although it really only works playing slowly:

Dotted 8th - 16th - 8th - 8th - 16th - Dotted 8th

For 4 in the LH and 3 in the RH:
Together - L - R - L - R - L

This has always been the way I have thought of 3 against 4. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: 3 against 4

Reply #7 on: May 19, 2005, 06:59:51 PM

Quote from: llhyperdude on May 17, 2005, 10:55:04 PM

Writing out the long rhythm helped me a lot, although it really only works playing slowly:

Dotted 8th - 16th - 8th - 8th - 16th - Dotted 8th

For 4 in the LH and 3 in the RH:
Together - L - R - L - R - L

This has always been the way I have thought of 3 against 4. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Yes that's quite correct.

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I just realized I left out the last "right" in my previous post

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Re: 3 against 4

Reply #8 on: May 20, 2005, 05:22:20 AM

Common denominator is 12. Break the measure up into pulses and figure out the exact order. Straight three against four is easy, but when you get into more complicated rhythms within 3 against four, it gets quite tricky. This is when using the common denominator to figure out exact syncronization will help.

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