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Offline amee

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Help on Mordents!
on: May 29, 2003, 08:01:02 AM
I'm currently learning Chopin's Impromptu in Ab major, and there are many places where mordents appear.  Somehow whenever I play them the notes stick together and it ends up as either a blurred mess or nothing at all.  

Is there any way to play mordents?
I'd appreciate any help on this topic.
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Offline frederic

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Re: Help on Mordents!
Reply #1 on: May 29, 2003, 01:38:22 PM
What fingers are you using on those mordent, amee?
Mordent, trills and such was never a problem to me. But we are all different. My weakness is my 4th and 5th finger (most people are like that aren't they?) so i want to know which fingers you use.
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Re: Help on Mordents!
Reply #2 on: May 29, 2003, 10:31:05 PM
I'm using 2-3-2 on the mordent.  Usually I can play them fine, but in this case they must be played piano and also quite fast.  I just can't get my index finger to get off the first key fast enough.
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Re: Help on Mordents!
Reply #3 on: May 30, 2003, 02:51:54 AM
Hi amee,

Try this: practice the mordents (along with two or three notes just preceeding and a few following each figure in order to tie the mordents into their phrases).  Do it in rhythm but at a slower tempo with stiff, rigid, steely fingers.  (Yes, you heard right!)  Do this without pedal and also louder than in performance.  Practice each one a number of times until you can articulate it flawlessly before moving on to the next one.  (Make an exercise of each.)  After the drill, go back up to tempo and relax the hand (although the fingers always need some degree of tautness to function correctly), and play the mordents now in a musical rather than the mechanical way you just employed in the practice exercise.  I think you'll be amazed at the new found fluidity and clarity with which you can now execute the mordents.  Remember too that the mordent is merely a tiny ornament and has to blend in perfectly to the total melodic line.  It cannot be detached, sound like a clumsy bump, or call attention to itself.  If after performing them well they start to get sloppy or lazy again, revert to the practice routine described to polish them up.  Always remember that the number of times you can perform anything really well is in a proportion to the number of times practiced.  The practice iterations always exceed the performances.  It's no different with those stubborn mordents.  
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Re: Help on Mordents!
Reply #4 on: May 31, 2003, 12:04:42 PM
Hey before anything tell me what mordent is. i have never incountered such a word in piano in my life. are mordent and trills desame?? okok amee.
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Offline amee

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Re: Help on Mordents!
Reply #5 on: May 31, 2003, 12:49:00 PM
A mordent is sort of like short trill, but with only three notes.  In the case of this piece, the mordent goes Eb-F-Eb most of the time.
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