chopet op.10, no.1

[sznitzeln]

Hi!

I am wondering if one should hold the hand in a very wide position, or if one should use the arm as much as possible and keep the hand compact...
When playing c-f-c-f i find it easier to stretch the hand almost maximally, but I have not put so much time into this etude yet, so perhaps keeping a more compact position is wiser in the long run.
I also have some trouble with the fingers chafing against neighbouring keys when releasing them, as the hand is moving towards the neighbouring key.

Any suggestions for this etude?

Thanks,
Jacob

[nanabush]

I haven't played this etude, but I have heard of the "cartwheel" method... I won't explain try finding it's on a thread somewhere...I think it applies to this etude, and I guess it works...

[dan_carney987]

Hi

The best thing to do is to keep your hand in a normal relaxed playing position and uses your fingers to lead you up and down the arpeggios. Keep your arm still as possible but the key in this etude is complete relaxation!!

Good luck and Happy practise!!!

[steinwayguy]

Hi

The best thing to do is to keep your hand in a normal relaxed playing position and uses your fingers to lead you up and down the arpeggios.

A horrible suggestion.


I don't have time right now to go in-depth on this piece, but the F6 you speak of in the second phrase is the only arpeggio in the piece where I use a lateral movement of the wrist. Everyhere else it's wrist up every beat on the way up and straight rotation (turning a door knob) on the way down.

[sznitzeln]

A horrible suggestion.


I don't have time right now to go in-depth on this piece, but the F6 you speak of in the second phrase is the only arpeggio in the piece where I use a lateral movement of the wrist. Everyhere else it's wrist up every beat on the way up and straight rotation (turning a door knob) on the way down.

Interresting... the kind of information I am looking for.
I guess you have a very big hand if you use no lateral motion at all.
Does on the way up mean ascending?

I found it useful to use the thumb as a pivot in the descending motion...
You can sort of drag the hand into the position.
I think the ascending motion is more difficult (unless there is some horrible stretching in the descending motion).

Answer this when you have the time:
Do you stretch your hand a lot? Do you do it in some bars?

[steinwayguy]

Way up does mean ascending.

Ascending is naturally more difficult for the right than descending.

I wouldn't use the thumb as a pivot because it seems to me that would lead to it sticking out, when nearly all you want to hear of the descending arpeggio are the notes on the beats.

Ideally, your hand should constantly be contracting and expanding. There are a few instances when I firm my hand and keep it stretched: Measures 11, 30-31, 34, 47-48, and 59.

Measures 11, 47-48 and 59 are played by lateral rotation of the wrist.
Measures 30, 31, 34 all use the up-down motion of the wrist discussed earlier.

The hardest section of this Etude is by far measures 29-36. Work those like all hell. 73-74 ain't no joke either.

[chopinisque]

I read this post on PF about taking out most of the notes and then thinking of it as some sort of movement going up and then hitting four notes going down... I can't remember where... but it would be wise of you to seek that particular thread...

[i_m_robot]

https://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8807.0.html

[steinwayguy]

I read this post on PF about taking out most of the notes and then thinking of it as some sort of movement going up and then hitting four notes going down... I can't remember where... but it would be wise of you to seek that particular thread...

That was my in-depth post on the piece. I dont' know where it is either.  Somebody was trying to learn the piece in like four days for a lesson or something.

[pianiststrongbad]

There are several other threads on this etude in the forum.

[i_m_robot]

mind posting a link to them