Scriabin Concerto

[fred smalls]

     Wow!  I hadn't heard the Scriabin concerto until yesterday (when I bought a recording of it), and man, is it a great piece or what!  I was wondering if anyone had any idea of the difficulty of it?  If so, just compare it to the difficulty of other pieces so I could get an idea of it.  It seems like a prosective concerto when I'm doing my ARCT. If it's not too difficult...

Thanks
Fred Smalls

[thracozaag]

     Wow!  I hadn't heard the Scriabin concerto until yesterday (when I bought a recording of it), and man, is it a great piece or what!  I was wondering if anyone had any idea of the difficulty of it?  If so, just compare it to the difficulty of other pieces so I could get an idea of it.  It seems like a prosective concerto when I'm doing my ARCT. If it's not too difficult...

Thanks
Fred Smalls

  Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's extremely difficult--fantastic work though, isn't it?  Give it a shot anyway!

koji (STSD)

[fred smalls]

  Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's extremely difficult--fantastic work though, isn't it?  Give it a shot anyway!

koji (STSD)

Koji, you realize if you say it's hard, there is no way in hell that I will be able to play it...

Do you know where I can get a pdf?

[thracozaag]

Koji, you realize if you say it's hard, there is no way in hell that I will be able to play it...

Do you know where I can get a pdf?

  Nah; you really should take a look at it--the last movement was the nastiest from what I recall.  I'm sure one of those strange Russian sites will have a pdf.

koji (STSD)

[fred smalls]

  Nah; you really should take a look at it--the last movement was the nastiest from what I recall.  I'm sure one of those strange Russian sites will have a pdf.

koji (STSD)

Yeah, i was postive piano.ru would have it, i thought i had seen it there before, but i just checked and it wasnt there, so...... dunno,  Kassaa just sent me the full score over msn, which is really helpfull (thanks kassaa) but a two piano reduction would be very nice too, if anyone knows where to find one........

[fred smalls]

...fantastic work though, isn't it?...
koji (STSD)

Yeah! It is very Chopinesque isn't it? The whole thing is amazing!  The strings also remind me of Rachmaninoff...  great piece!  Have you performed it? (koji)

[thalbergmad]

I have the 2 piano score. Happy to send it to anyone who wants it. Magnificent concerto. Why is it not played more often??

[thracozaag]

Yeah! It is very Chopinesque isn't it? The whole thing is amazing!  The strings also remind me of Rachmaninoff...  great piece!  Have you performed it? (koji)

  Can never find a conductor/orchestra willing to do it

koji (STSD)

[fred smalls]

I have the 2 piano score. Happy to send it to anyone who wants it. Magnificent concerto. Why is it not played more often??

If you could send it to me I would greatly appreciate it!
 

[thalbergmad]

In your mailbox Fred.

[fred smalls]

In your mailbox Fred.

Thank you very much

Could anyone compare this concerto's difficulty to that of any others?  Much appreciated!

[klavierkonzerte]

it's not very deficult it's quit managable

i love this concerto ALOT specially the first movment but somtimes the concerto gets alittil boring.

[dmk]

About 2 weeks ago I saw Michael Kiernan-Harvey perform this concerto with the Australian Youth Orchestra, it was fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The second movement is beautiful   

I also have a recording of Roger Woodward playing the concerto with the Sydney Symphony Orchestra under Edo de Waart, although nothing beats listening to the concerto live (and I am not the hugest RW fan!!) I have to rate this recording and CD.

Can never find a conductor/orchestra willing to do it

koji (STSD)

Koji, maybe you might have to come downunder if you want to find an orchestra willing to do this  hint hint

This CD also has one of my favourite Scriabin piece the op 38 Waltz, why don't more people play this???  Thoughts anyone??

[thracozaag]

it's not very deficult it's quit managable

i love this concerto ALOT specially the first movment but somtimes the concerto gets alittil boring.

  You gotta love internet piano forums, you really do.

koji (STSD)

[Goldberg]

 

 

Yeah, I love the piece too. But I imagine it would not be easy to play well if you (whoever) are not already significantly familiar with Scriabin, as in, having already played three or four--if not all--of the sonatas, preludes, etudes, and selections from the rest of his enormous body of work. Of course I personally wouldn't consider the work as idiosyncratic or musically abstract/demanding as, for instance, the three last sonatas, but then I'm no Scriabin expert and haven't spent too much time with the music or anything.

[fred smalls]

 

Yeah, I love the piece too. But I imagine it would not be easy to play well if you (whoever) are not already significantly familiar with Scriabin, as in, having already played three or four--if not all--of the sonatas, preludes, etudes, and selections from the rest of his enormous body of work. Of course I personally wouldn't consider the work as idiosyncratic or musically abstract/demanding as, for instance, the three last sonatas, but then I'm no Scriabin expert and haven't spent too much time with the music or anything.

well, that puts a bit of a damper on things, doesnt it?  i dont think ill ever have four scriabin sonatas fine polished in my lifetime.   

was just listening to it. heres my analysis for fun. 

since it is one his earlier works it is "inspired by chopin" or whatever. anyway this is what i think of it:

1mvt: Rachamaninoff-like (strings)
2mvt: Scriabin
3mvt: chopin reincarnated! (first bit so much like chopin) (ending is unlike anything i have heard, when the brass comes in, omg, amazing!!!!

  thats what ive come up with after listening to it like 50 times today 

i need to get a life  this post is so ridiculous, no one cares what i think it sounds like...  anyway, i think ill learn before ive learnt 4 sonatas... becuase 4 sonatas is a looooooonnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg time to wait...

urgh
Fred Smalls

[Goldberg]

Haha, well, sure, don't take my "advice" too heavily--like I said I'm hardly an expert! It's not like *I'm* gonna learn 4 Scriabin sonatas (or the concerto for that matter) before I die, no matter how much I'd like to!    The most important thing is to enjoy your studies. I just think it would be sensible to provide yourself with a more gradual introduction to Scriabin before taking on one of his more involved pieces (and, by the way, in my suggestion for the sonatas, I assume you would take the first 4 or so, or at least choose the less demanding ones that you know of). But, really, if you're just out to have a good time, by all means go for it!

[Bouter Boogie]

Does anybody has a recording of this piano concerto? I've never heard of it and I luv Scriabin's music 

Can anybody try to send it or put on PF? Wud be very cul.. 

[Dazzer]

can i have a copy too!?!?:D

[quantum]

I keep coming accross the score in the music shop I frequent, but I've never heard a recording of this.  They only have it available in Kalmus edition.  Is this a respectable edition or is there something better out there?

All my other Scriabin scores are from Dover. 

Did the 1964 Russian edition ever publish the concerto?

[ahmedito]

Im playing this in december, Im starting to work on it next week.

You need big hands, in my opinion its not as hard as a Rachmaninoff... If you have big hands its about the same difficulty as Chopin F minor. Even then... its very difficult.

[klavierkonzerte]

  You gotta love internet piano forums, you really do.

koji (STSD)

hey i didn't mean easy i said managable it's not comparable to rach 3 interms of dificulty
my x teacher played it and told me it's managble.

[joell12068]

I have Michael Ponti's recording.  There are probably better ones out there, but would be happy to share.  PM me if you want it.

[thracozaag]

hey i didn't mean easy i said managable it's not comparable to rach 3 interms of dificulty
my x teacher played it and told me it's managble.

  So you personally haven't played it then, I gather.

koji (STSD)

[Kassaa]

If anyone wants a recording of Neuhaus, pm me.

[donjuan]

I have Nikolai Demidenko's recording and it's amazing.. (jaw still dropping)

[rob47]

     Wow!  I hadn't heard the Scriabin concerto until yesterday (when I bought a recording of it), and man, is it a great piece or what!  I was wondering if anyone had any idea of the difficulty of it?  If so, just compare it to the difficulty of other pieces so I could get an idea of it.  It seems like a prosective concerto when I'm doing my ARCT. If it's not too difficult...

Thanks
Fred Smalls

When I first heard it I really liked the 3rd movement a lot, and felt the other movements were kind of weak.  But after hearing it in it's entirety for a second time I really enjoyed the work as a whole.  It's pretty difficult; as average as my sight reading is, one can see many many challenges just looking at the score. (as is with most scriabin i find). Skryabin-scriabine-scriabin's greatest work for sure.  Sonata 1 is my personal fav....similar i suppose.

[Daevren]

The concerto is cool. But in no way his greatest work. It isn't even Scriabinesque.

He should have written another concerto later in his life.

[Dazzer]

does it have to be scriabinesque to be scriabin? the fact is he wrote it.

[fred smalls]

does it have to be scriabinesque to be scriabin? the fact is he wrote it.

With that I agree.

Can anyone tell me how difficult it would be to play only the first movement?  Considering my local festival only lets you play one movement until you are in ARCT, I would only be able to play the 1st, seeing as the third is way too difficult, and since I'm in grade 10.  I've just had a revalation that, since I'm moving to a very good teacher, and that if I practice hard I could probably pull off the first movement, it is possible.  But, of course if the first is as difficult as the third sounds... I am too lazy to practice that hard! 

?
Fred Smalls

[Daevren]

I kind of want to hear a concerto in the style of his last 5 sonatas and his symphonies past his first. Why? Because its so different from other kinds of music. I sort of thing it is dissapointing that Scriabins concerto is 'just a romantic piece'. That doesn't make it less nice but still...

[quantum]

I kind of want to hear a concerto in the style of his last 5 sonatas and his symphonies past his first. Why? Because its so different from other kinds of music. I sort of thing it is dissapointing that Scriabins concerto is 'just a romantic piece'. That doesn't make it less nice but still...

Yes I would have been interesting to hear a concerto in his later style.  Unfortunately we don't even know what Mysterium was supposed to sound like.  He was really getting geared up for that when he died. 

[thracozaag]

I kind of want to hear a concerto in the style of his last 5 sonatas and his symphonies past his first. Why? Because its so different from other kinds of music. I sort of thing it is dissapointing that Scriabins concerto is 'just a romantic piece'. That doesn't make it less nice but still...

 Well, there is Prometheus...

koji (STSD)

[fred smalls]

Well, there is Prometheus...

koji (STSD)

heh. yup. they missed that piece. but of course, it isnt called "concerto" so why would anybody care about it. 

[thracozaag]

Yes I would have been interesting to hear a concerto in his later style.  Unfortunately we don't even know what Mysterium was supposed to sound like.  He was really getting geared up for that when he died. 

  There's actually a very credible  re-construction of the Mysterium by Alexander Nemtin.  Makes for very interesting listening.

koji (STSD)