tarantella

[gee]

What are your opinions on this piece, another technical no music value piece like mephisto waltz? How long does it take to learn, and how impressive does it sound to you?

any comments are appreciated, thanks in advance.

[dedalus]

Could you be more specific.  Form your post, I am assuming that you are talking about the Liszt Tarantella from the Naples portion of year two of the Annes De Pelerinage.  If not, please specify.

[thierry13]

Liszt's pieces have musical value damn it!!!!!!!

[gee]

yes, i am talking about liszt's tarantella. Sorry let me reprhase, i mean't to say a few select pieces by liszt seem to have very little music value, mephisto waltz to me is as good as a finger study. thats only my 2cents though 

[thierry13]

Are you saying studies have no musical values?

[gee]

No, i am saying MOST finger studies have relatively little music value, true there are beautiful studies such as chopins, but a study is defined as an excercise for a specific finger movement, and there for no, most studies have little to no music value.

[JP]

I like it.  Definitely worth learning.. How impressive it sounds shouldn’t influence your decision..   

[thalbergmad]

I love both the Tarantella and the Mephisto Waltz. For me, the Tarantella was the easier of the two to learn, but i do not rate it as highly as the Mephisto.

If you found the Mephisto of no musical value, you would be wasting your time learning the Tarantella.

[thierry13]

No, i am saying MOST finger studies have relatively little music value, true there are beautiful studies such as chopins, but a study is defined as an excercise for a specific finger movement, and there for no, most studies have little to no music value.

Wrong. Studies are PIECES OF MUSIC meant develop a particular technique, or overral technique. If they would have to musical values, they would be called exercisse. Hanon are not studies. Czerny are studies. All etudes have musical value. If you don't appreciate their value is another matter, but they all have musical values.

[gee]

The degree of musical value is an opinion. Want to just leave it at that?

[thierry13]

The degree of musical value is an opinion. Want to just leave it at that?

No. All pieces have musical value. If you appreciate this value IS an opinion. Not that it HAS musical value.

[gee]

Let's say that a majority of important musical authority figures agrees that a certain piece of music has a certain amount of musical value if any, and us common music amateurs, etc... considers that to be the standard belief.
Would the important music figures not have given an opinion? What gives you  the right to say that all so called pieces of "music" has musical value?
Are there a few million combinations of notes, rests, and note values that gives it's value? If somebody were to drop a few elbows onto the piano, and some credible person called it music, would YOU consider it music?
Musical value is an opinion, not a certainty. 

[fred smalls]

Your opinion is wrong.

[gee]

Wrong as it may be, everybody is entitled to their own.

[jlh]

If somebody were to drop a few elbows onto the piano, and some credible person called it music, would YOU consider it music?

It's been done before...

[jlh]

Open your mind to a wider view of music.  There is no "formula" that tells us what music is.  If there were, it would be self-defeating, because music is so diverse in it's scope.  That is why people spend their lives devoted to studying music, in order to explore all the facets that make music what it is.  For a self-professing amateur like yourself to offer such an ironclad opinion like what you just did in this thread is laughable to say the least.

To admit you are wrong and then say you're entitled to your own wrong opinion is just sad.

[thierry13]

Open your mind to a wider view of music. There is no "formula" that tells us what music is. If there were, it would be self-defeating, because music is so diverse in it's scope. That is why people spend their lives devoted to studying music, in order to explore all the facets that make music what it is. For a self-professing amateur like yourself to offer such an ironclad opinion like what you just did in this thread is laughable to say the least.

To admit you are wrong and then say you're entitled to your own wrong opinion is just sad.

Agreed. If you can listen to a piece it has musical value.