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Offline jbmajor

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The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
on: June 25, 2005, 06:22:10 AM
in my opinion goes to Scriabin's  Op. 8 no. 12, performed by Knut-Erik Jensen.  It's short and to the point; even romantic if you listen closely.  One of those pieces that would give me chills hearing it played on good Bosendorfer or Steinway concert grand. 


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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #1 on: June 25, 2005, 06:42:30 AM
I think this has been discussed before.  My vote goes to Erlkonig by Schubert.  Whenever the devil is speaking the music is all happy- very twisted.  And when the boy speaks he is a half step out of key from the piano part.  It is really intense.  Another really spooky piece is the Diabolic Suggestion by Prokofiev.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #2 on: June 25, 2005, 07:15:40 AM
I think Iraida Yusapova's "The Birth of Venus" takes the cake here.  It's a composition filled with dissonant, writhing brass, wicked, chaotic pizzicatos, and a computer-generated noise that sounds like the voice of Satan himself.  Seriously, this piece has freaked me out!!  Also her composition, "The Birds" is pretty frightening. 

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #3 on: June 25, 2005, 02:16:15 PM
"Survivor from Warsaw" by Schoenberg, Ligeti's "Requiem," and for piano, there's a good, very underrated fantasy by Liszt on a theme from Meyerbeer's "Robert le Diable" which is perfectly Mephistophelean!

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #4 on: June 25, 2005, 02:17:12 PM
A couple of schuman's symphonic etudes sound sinister to me.  I can't remember exactly which ones
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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #5 on: June 25, 2005, 04:34:38 PM
birth of venus IS wicked. my friend (who obviously does not know anything about music) said it should be entitled "noise" :)

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #6 on: June 25, 2005, 04:55:51 PM
The Erkling, or maybe Mars from "The Planets" by Holst. That piece creeps me out a little.
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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #7 on: June 25, 2005, 06:04:12 PM
The Banshee by Henry Cowell.  It's played inside the piano on the strings. I want to get the sheetmusic for it but it is hard to find.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #8 on: June 25, 2005, 06:22:33 PM
Liszt's Totentanz for piano and orchestra is diabolically demonic in its evil wickedness.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #9 on: June 25, 2005, 06:39:54 PM
Liszt's Totentanz for piano and orchestra is diabolically demonic in its evil wickedness.
I concur

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #10 on: June 25, 2005, 09:17:17 PM
Not that it's the most demonic peice out there, but everytime I think of it the first adj that comes to mind is demonic, added together with the fact that I've been talking about it for a couple of days now, I'll throw in Chopin's 3rd Scherzo in C#min for its opening, octave sections (up to main theme), and Coda.

Demonic isn't the foremost adj but it is certainly there, wicked is much better but still not it.  I don't even know if there is a word that can capture all of the characteristics; morbid, demonic, chilling, & the downright state of rotting well enough to describe the impact that the peice which bears the most ironic name borrowed from it's time signature...Vivace -  Movement IV from Sonata No 2 in B flat minor by Chopin.  "Wind over Graves" just bearly scratches the surface.  I would add disorienting to the list of adjvs.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #11 on: June 25, 2005, 11:53:56 PM
Dance of Death  8)
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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #12 on: June 26, 2005, 12:04:16 AM
The Banshee by Henry Cowell.  It's played inside the piano on the strings. I want to get the sheetmusic for it but it is hard to find.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #13 on: June 26, 2005, 12:09:30 AM
Penderecki's cappricio is quite wild and demonic sounding.

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I think Iraida Yusapova's "The Birth of Venus" takes the cake here. 

I'm listening to it right now, that computer generated noise is very disturbing.  It's quite an interesting piece, but its so repetitive...

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #14 on: June 26, 2005, 03:22:42 AM
Penderecki Cello Concerto
Penderecki Partita for Harpsichord
Berg Violin Concerto


and for solo piano music


Corigliano Etude Fantasy
Ginastera Sonata No. 1
Messiaen Visions de l'Amen: Amen of the Stars, of the Ringed Planet



You can be pretty safe in assuming anything by Penderecki will be what you're looking for ^.-

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #15 on: June 26, 2005, 04:45:19 AM
Penderecki's cappricio is quite wild and demonic sounding.

I'm listening to it right now, that computer generated noise is very disturbing.  It's quite an interesting piece, but its so repetitive...

One time, I was asleep and had music playing from my playlist (which includes that piece) but I was only about half-asleep, awake enough to hear the music, but asleep enough to be dreaming.  Anyways that piece (Birth of Venus) came on, and I started having the strangest sensations in my dream- I could hear the music playing and it was part of my dream.  I don't remember what exactly happened in the dream, but in that half-asleep state, the music became almost magnified and it was like I was hearing it on a subjective level - and it deeply moved me!  Anyways I've always been fascinated with it ever since.  As far as the repetition goes, I've found that most of her pieces are like that (quite lengthy and repetitive).  Some are quite beautiful, totally the opposite of Venus, like Polycordia.  But they all have that trance-like, motionless feel to them.  I don't necessarily consider this a fault when it comes to this very modern compositional style however.  If you were to apply this method of repitition to Chopin or Bach though, the result would be horrendous, because the movement of thier music is based on harmonic and contrapuntal movement.  Imagine having to listen to "Jesu Jesu Joy of Man's desiring" repeated without a break for half and hour, or longer!  You would simply go mad!  It's like that episode from Seinfield.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #16 on: June 26, 2005, 04:47:04 AM
Another contender is Pendrecki's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima.  Quite a shocking piece, would love to hear a live performance of it.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #17 on: June 26, 2005, 05:02:25 AM
3rd Movement of the Ginastera Sonata #1 - I first heard this as background music for a young lady's dance at the Spotlight Awards, very sinister.

Sorabji - St. Bertrand de Comminges He was laughing in the tower

Ravel - Gaspard de la Nuit

Scriabin - Sonatas #6, #9, Etude Op. 65 #3

Prokofiev - Piano Concerto #2

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #18 on: June 26, 2005, 05:08:49 AM
not exactly for piano, but Berlioz Symphony Fantastique. Witches! ARGH!

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #19 on: June 26, 2005, 06:24:04 AM
Oh!  I forgot.  Add Aaron Copland's "Music for a Great City" to the list.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #20 on: June 26, 2005, 08:01:04 AM
I have heard somewhere that PAGANINI was once accused of being "possesed" by evil spirit during his time because of his  compositions and his muvh virtuosity in violin playing.  And for that, I understand now why La Campanella (Liszt) and Paganini Rhapsody (Rachmaninoff) have diabolic elements (as if "dancing evil spirits") in some of their aspects or parts. 

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #21 on: June 26, 2005, 08:18:06 AM
Well, I believe the Rachmaninoff Paganini Rhapsody includes a second theme - Dies Irae.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #22 on: June 26, 2005, 12:56:10 PM
Oh my god, 'The Banshee' is extremely crazy  ;D
I wouldn't know how to play this on an upright (or on a digital- ha ha)  ;D

I just heard a recording of this piece (can't follow the sheet *lol*)
Very freaky
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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #23 on: June 26, 2005, 07:11:32 PM
carmina burana - o fortuna, it was playing on my stereo while I was sleeping and recording a tape for my music history class...freaked me out in the dark

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #24 on: June 26, 2005, 09:23:14 PM
I thought of another one ... TOTENTANZ and Danse Macabre (Saint-Saens) both by Liszt! 

BTW, what does - Dies Irae mean?

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #25 on: June 26, 2005, 09:26:28 PM
I have just observe that Liszt's music has more tendency of having this "demonic" nature above anyone during hs time.  For sure, he is more "vulgar" than Brahms or Chopin.  And he is fond of always embellishing almost all his pieces with cadanzas which adds up to the "transcendental" nature of his pieces.  Just a personal view...

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #26 on: June 26, 2005, 09:41:42 PM
BTW, what does - Dies Irae mean?

Day of Wrath.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #27 on: June 26, 2005, 11:13:25 PM
The Banshee by Henry Cowell.  It's played inside the piano on the strings. I want to get the sheetmusic for it but it is hard to find.

I just listened to it.  It's interesting, but very subdued and subtle sounding.  It would sound much better I think if it were used in conjuction on a separate piano along with another piece that used the keyboard; for instance, played after a slow, dark sounding piece with lots of bass and contrasting treble.  The Halloween theme is one that comes to mind. 

There's a Rachmaninoff etude that is wicked sounding- tableaux op. 39 no 6 in Aminor. 

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #28 on: June 27, 2005, 01:18:24 PM
Night on the Bald Mountain by Mussorgskij

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #29 on: June 27, 2005, 10:58:24 PM
Le gibet and Scarbo from Gaspard
Chopin preludes in F minor and E flat minor
Chopin etude in B minor
Liszt Mazeppa (there's only really one section imo but still evil sounding)
-----where do you get a recording of Banshee online or do you have to buy it?
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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #30 on: June 28, 2005, 02:56:55 AM
Go listen to Prokofiev's Piano Concerto No. 2...it's still wicked awesome

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #31 on: June 28, 2005, 03:47:34 AM
Go listen to Prokofiev's Piano Concerto No. 2...it's still wicked awesome

Yep, Proko's PC 2 in g minor is WICKEDLY AWESOME.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #32 on: June 28, 2005, 03:54:26 AM
the first movement with it's enchanting melody...and then powerful melody...

the second movement with it's straight 16th notes every single beat for both hands and just awesome sounding

the third movement with it's incredibly difficult counting parts (tons of 5 vs 6) and then the loud chords at the end

the fourth movement with it's just in general awesome soundingness

after the first few times I listened to it, I didn't really like it...then I listened to it some more and loved it

being able to play this is my second top goal (Rach 3 is first lol)

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #33 on: June 28, 2005, 03:28:45 PM
another one that's actually in song form is Apocalypse Please by Muse.  That would've been a great song to have for the new War of the Worlds movie. 

Insane, powerful, wicked, and beautiful all at the same time.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #34 on: July 01, 2005, 12:10:12 AM
the second movement with it's straight 16th notes every single beat for both hands and just awesome sounding

An amazing movement ...........

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #35 on: July 01, 2005, 11:21:08 AM
Dimitri Tchesnokov "Requiem"
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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #36 on: July 01, 2005, 11:28:02 AM
Oh Paris...so you like Dmitri's Requiem??

Yeah,it's great,but I only like the first  movement--->requiem aeternam.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #37 on: July 01, 2005, 04:16:44 PM
St. Bertrand de Comminges He was laughing in the tower, that piece where would I find a recording of it more in the middle of it, I just heard the droning starting, which did sound kinda tormenting.  The name makes it sound like the St Bertrand guy is literally a psycho.
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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #38 on: July 01, 2005, 05:58:39 PM
St. Betrand de Comminges is a bit more hypnotic than terrifying. PM me if you want the file, but I'm warning you now, it's massive and you better have something like gmail to recieve it.

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #39 on: July 02, 2005, 03:06:51 PM
Really?  I would've thot it was like a 10 minute work...so it's big?  Never mind then my brother flips out when I dl big files.
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Reply #40 on: July 02, 2005, 04:50:34 PM
Well, I believe the Rachmaninoff Paganini Rhapsody includes a second theme - Dies Irae.

how funny... i never realised that... then i was listening to it again recently and I HEARD IT!!!!! wow... :D

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #41 on: July 02, 2005, 08:36:54 PM
I read a summary somewhere of Rachmaninov's Paganini Rhapsody in which it is implied that the variations in which 'Dies irae' appears (particularly Variations 7 and 10, its first two appearances) are supposed to depict Paganini and his alleged conversations with the devil people believed to have possessed him.  Not sure if I buy that, but it does make an interesting story.  I read somewhere else that 'Dies irae' appears in quite a number of Rachmaninov's works (for example, the Prelude in E minor Op.32 No.4), but I must admit I can only hear it clearly in the Paganini Rhapsody. (The 'church bells' motif, on the other hand, I can hear easily in the first movement of the B-flat minor sonata, the finale of the E minor symphony, and Variation 22 of the Paganini Rhapsody, but those pieces sort of stop to focus on said motif rather than weaving it into the fabric of the other voices.)

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #42 on: May 01, 2006, 12:31:29 AM
I was playing mazeppa for someone and they said it sounded like an evil carnival. It doesn't sound evil to me at all, maybe it's just my playing
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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #43 on: May 01, 2006, 12:39:37 AM
"The Banshee" is pretty creepy

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #44 on: May 01, 2006, 12:42:08 AM
Since no one has mentioned it I'll add to the list my continual obsession...Alkan's Quasi-Faust, which has not only a nothing-if-not-demonic first seven minutes but also an overt "Le Diable" march theme at one minute in.

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Reply #45 on: May 01, 2006, 02:35:05 AM
Alkan's marcia funebre sulla morte d' un pappagallo
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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #46 on: May 01, 2006, 03:51:29 AM
ligeti - etude no 6, book 1 - autumn a varsovie
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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #47 on: May 01, 2006, 07:21:17 AM
Aagh...The Birth of Venus is pure evil! So creepy, especially that computer-generated noise...
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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #48 on: May 01, 2006, 09:01:03 AM
Can anyone give me a mp3 of 'The Birth of venus'

And a mp3 of 'The Banshee' by Henry Cowell and the sheet music?

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Re: The most wicked, demonic sounding piece...
Reply #49 on: May 01, 2006, 03:15:37 PM
I was playing mazeppa for someone and they said it sounded like an evil carnival. It doesn't sound evil to me at all, maybe it's just my playing

Actually, it DOES sound sorta like an evil carnival, at least for me.  Anyone else?
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