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Offline invictus

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La Campanella
on: July 14, 2005, 11:49:08 AM
After starting to learn the piano on my own without the help of the piano teacher, i decided to learn La Campanella, just curious about 1 question
For the Treble Staff, do you play all the notes only with right hand (that's such a big leap) or split some into left hand

Offline rachfanatic

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #1 on: July 14, 2005, 12:20:25 PM
This piece is a Study of note leaps so the notes should be played with the right hand.

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005, 02:20:09 PM
yep.


Good luck.

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #3 on: July 14, 2005, 04:35:14 PM
cuz you're need it.

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #4 on: July 14, 2005, 08:25:53 PM
When i used to play this, i must admit i did use my left hand.

Playing the piano is difficult enough as it is. If i find a way to make it easier, i use it.
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Re: La Campanella
Reply #5 on: July 14, 2005, 08:57:14 PM
When i used to play this, i must admit i did use my left hand.

Playing the piano is difficult enough as it is. If i find a way to make it easier, i use it.

That is okay must of the time but let me remind you that this is an ETUDE, thus destorying the whole perpous of it (except creating music blah blah etc)
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Re: La Campanella
Reply #6 on: July 14, 2005, 09:08:26 PM
Yes it is an Etude but also a lot more. It is more important to play it cleanly and beautifully than with the correct hand.

If i was playing Czerny or Cramer etudes, i would never cheat.
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Re: La Campanella
Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005, 05:42:31 AM
Yes it is an Etude but also a lot more. It is more important to play it cleanly and beautifully than with the correct hand.

If i was playing Czerny or Cramer etudes, i would never cheat.

I agree. But also, I believe that we should take all advantages that we can from the music, a great piece, and also a great technical study to improve flexibility, accuracy, and stamina and give an introduction to the Lisztian technical and musical world. But since this is not pure technique, I certainly agree with thalbergmad.

After starting to learn the piano on my own without the help of the piano teacher, i decided to learn La Campanella, just curious about 1 question
For the Treble Staff, do you play all the notes only with right hand (that's such a big leap) or split some into left hand

I also learned to play piano by myself for 3 years now, and I have not yet finished practicing La Campanella. But, one advice, don't worry that much about the big leaps, they are actually not that hard after you practice and examine those passages. Shouldn't take too long to get used to the jumping hand and moving arm. The only thing, the hand has to jump, there is no need to stretch the hand that wide.
Enjoy practice. ;)

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #8 on: July 17, 2005, 08:07:17 AM
Is there anyone who could help me out with this piece, its annoying me badly, the right hand, i keep on banging the notes in between, any pieces or prerequisite czerny pieces i should try out?

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #9 on: July 17, 2005, 02:10:25 PM
None of that will help my son. Repetition repetition repetiTion! if you cant get a bar perfect keep repeating it until your fingers are sore than the next day you will be able to play it.
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Re: La Campanella
Reply #10 on: July 17, 2005, 03:15:53 PM
repeating mistakes is a good way to train them  :P

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #11 on: July 17, 2005, 03:32:34 PM
repeating mistakes is a good way to train them  :P

You beat me to it. Not being able to play a bar and repeating it over and over again will result in perfectly NOT being able to play the bar!

So, one must identify and define precisely what it is that causes the trouble. Read through the myriads of threads about slow motion practice and note accuracy. But most important of all, get a teacher. I believe that it is close to impossible to do a good job without proper guidance. This includes the musical aspects and particularly the technical aspects. Who knows what kinds of bad habits you have acquired by now. They will inhibit your progress.

Just to diffuse any reaction such as "I don't want a teacher. I just want to learn this piece, so tell me how to do this.": you are consulting the forum, which means you are in fact asking a teacher (the forum being the teacher). It would however be infinitely more productive to physically sit down with someone who can look at how you play.

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #12 on: July 17, 2005, 05:25:13 PM
you can download my la campanella here: ftp://64.229.14.182
it needs the divx codec to view the video, can be downloaded here: https://www.divx.com/divx/play/download/
last time a lot of people told me they couldn't log in to my ftp,
i really don't know why, if you guys see problems, please let me know

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #13 on: July 17, 2005, 05:36:42 PM
does any of you guys have a personal video recording of this??   mind to share??
i really know want to know how everybody plays it...

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #14 on: July 17, 2005, 06:32:13 PM
For the leaps,

throw your right hand at the higher notes.  You will miss at first, but it will come with time.  Bar by bar is correct.

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #15 on: July 18, 2005, 05:11:21 AM
Kinda mastered the first row, boy, its difficult, and the rest of the piece, the next  few pages are really discouraging, really discouraging

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #16 on: July 19, 2005, 03:22:00 PM
i suggest you get a teacher

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #17 on: July 19, 2005, 07:47:04 PM
If you find the first row of La Campanella difficult, you're not up to play La Campanella. The first row is like SO easy compared to the rest of the piece. I suggest you get a teacher so he can guide you well trough other easier pieces first, then come back to La Campanella later. I allways wanted to play La Campanella. If I would have learned it at your level, I would not have done it. I waited. Now it will not take me more than 2 weeks to learn it. Seriously, wait before it. It will be much more rewarding.

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #18 on: July 19, 2005, 08:48:35 PM
If I would have learned it at your level, I would not have done it. I waited. Now it will not take me more than 2 weeks to learn it.

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #19 on: July 19, 2005, 08:57:47 PM
The notes.

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #20 on: July 19, 2005, 08:59:10 PM
I agree. If you even have questions on how to read the notes, much less play them then I say you are over your head.

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #21 on: July 19, 2005, 10:22:04 PM
The notes.

So you learned the notes to La Campanella at full speed in 2 weeks... and how long was it you had been playing?

I am really impressed. When will we get to hear any audio? Or your revolutionary etude that you play way above the metronome mark?
Whisky and Messiaen

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #22 on: July 19, 2005, 10:39:48 PM
let the war games begin.........

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #23 on: July 19, 2005, 10:52:41 PM


*gets catapult ready*
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Re: La Campanella
Reply #24 on: July 19, 2005, 11:53:28 PM
LOL

what will you use as ammo?

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #25 on: July 20, 2005, 01:56:35 AM
for the ammo, i suggest you use some coins wrapped in some 10-dollar bills....
hit me anytime....!!

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #26 on: July 20, 2005, 01:57:59 AM
you wish sucker. How about spoiled pork?

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #27 on: July 20, 2005, 02:06:42 AM
I would say never cheat with this one.  In some cases it is great to do the easier thing, but its not THAT difficult to get the leaps.  Many people can learn the leaps without a huge amount of trouble.  Believe it or not, its not the leaps that make this piece notoriously difficult.  The difficulty comes later.  This piece humbles even the greatest of pianists. 
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Re: La Campanella
Reply #28 on: July 20, 2005, 03:49:12 AM
Many people can learn the leaps without a huge amount of trouble.Believe it or not, its not the leaps that make this piece notoriously difficult.

Yep the leaps are not hard for me. What is hard is to get a continuous flow. And other details. I allready did a post for a record of my phantasy op.28 by mendelsohn. Concerning the revolutionary study at over metronome mark, i said I was able to bring it there, but it is completly unmusical. In concert, I play it only a bit over the normal tempo. Nothing unusual. It is not because I can play a piece at 200 that it's at it's best at this speed. It's way  better between 160-170.

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #29 on: July 20, 2005, 11:52:38 AM
Actually, the first page is rather easy compared to others, yes, and the other pages, i mean it, are really discouraging

Boy, i sometimes mess up with left hand has a greater part

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #30 on: July 21, 2005, 12:00:28 PM
Yep the leaps are not hard for me. What is hard is to get a continuous flow. And other details. I allready did a post for a record of my phantasy op.28 by mendelsohn. Concerning the revolutionary study at over metronome mark, i said I was able to bring it there, but it is completly unmusical. In concert, I play it only a bit over the normal tempo. Nothing unusual. It is not because I can play a piece at 200 that it's at it's best at this speed. It's way  better between 160-170.

When will i heard a recording of the Rev, la campanella or maybe the 10:1? If you have recorded once, why not again. :)
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Re: La Campanella
Reply #31 on: July 21, 2005, 01:23:51 PM
invictus - how long have you been playing piano and what other pieces are in your repertoir?

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #32 on: July 21, 2005, 01:32:40 PM
When will i heard a recording of the Rev, la campanella or maybe the 10:1? If you have recorded once, why not again. :)

I'll tell you why not again. Because I went to a piano camp, and at the end they recorded the piece you played. I played Mendelsohn's phantaisie op.28. So this is my only recording of me.

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #33 on: July 22, 2005, 05:29:26 AM
Invictus, you will have a more satisfying piano career if you progress smoothly and naturally. I guess you could bite off a huge chunk like this, but woulden't you be happieer with a number of easier pieces of differing styles under your belt?
"He who answers without listening...that is his folly and his shame"    (A very wise person)

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #34 on: July 22, 2005, 08:11:23 AM
invictus - how long have you been playing piano and what other pieces are in your repertoir?

Read the top, 3 years and 1 year of self

jeremy

I thought it was actually to the curve and not a leap too great

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #35 on: July 22, 2005, 05:53:15 PM
Read the top, 3 years and 1 year of self

jeremy

I thought it was actually to the curve and not a leap too great

I must be missing something. I didn't see anywhere, still don't, you having said how long you have been playing. ??

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Re: La Campanella
Reply #36 on: July 23, 2005, 02:55:50 AM
Read the top, 3 years and 1 year of self

jeremy

I thought it was actually to the curve and not a leap too great

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