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Offline i_m_robot

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Fatigue in the 10-1
on: July 19, 2005, 07:05:49 PM
Self has a problem with the 10-1 etude

when ever self tries to play at a speed higher than around 150 bpm

the top forearm part of the arm begins to fatigue incredibly at about half way through

is this the result of some bad tension

or is this fatigue the price one pays for playing this etude
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Re: Fatigue in the 10-1
Reply #1 on: July 19, 2005, 07:09:01 PM
otay

perhaps self has located the problem

maybe it has to do with self allowing the wrist to move a little too much

and the fatigue is from the rapid lifting it backup

testing....
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Offline steinwayguy

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Re: Fatigue in the 10-1
Reply #2 on: July 19, 2005, 07:11:50 PM
The fatigue is from your fingers being took active. You need to play this etude with as little finger activity as possible if you don't want to fatigue.

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Re: Fatigue in the 10-1
Reply #3 on: July 19, 2005, 07:15:10 PM
 ;D

that sounds great

more more

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Re: Fatigue in the 10-1
Reply #4 on: July 19, 2005, 08:00:43 PM
assuming your technique is good..which to me sounds pretty good acording to your recording in the audition room..just sounds like you need speed..

and level endurance is a reflection of time...so just continue and be patient...or i'll kick your ass
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Re: Fatigue in the 10-1
Reply #5 on: August 05, 2005, 04:13:27 AM
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The fatigue is from your fingers being too active. You need to play this etude with as little finger activity as possible if you don't want to fatigue.

what about forearm and wrist movement


WATASHI NO NAMAE WA

AI EMU ROBATO DESU

立派のエビの苦闘及びは立派である

Offline grazioso

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Re: Fatigue in the 10-1
Reply #6 on: August 06, 2005, 08:19:05 PM
Loose loose loose....but stay close to the keys.

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Re: Fatigue in the 10-1
Reply #7 on: August 07, 2005, 02:06:37 AM
Keep practicing, usually that happens during the summer. (My teacher always reminds me that it smells summer every beginning of the school year) because you have slacked off on the practice.

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Re: Fatigue in the 10-1
Reply #8 on: August 07, 2005, 07:54:56 AM
I'm somewhat familiar with this fatigue factor from a violin standpoint.   I only play basic piano,  but I'm willing to give this etude a try.  Downloaded the sheet music today from a free website.

There are so many violin pieces that fatigue the left hand.  All that perpetual motion (constant non stop notes).  In the 10-1 (chopin etude I presume), it's those arpeggios.  But the body has an amazing way of adapting.  I'll find that if I keep working at it like exercising the body.  Given enough time the body get's used to it and even finds ways of become more relaxed and more limber.  I think time and repeated practice with emphasis on faster speed (incrementally) is the answer and the rest usually follows.  (at least for me on the violin).

Play them at the slower tempo, rest
Play them at the faster tempo, rest
The repeat.  The slower tempo gives the arm a time to rest then you stress it out again.

Fatigue in my mind is the nature of the beast.  Practice over time and muscle adaptation is the cure.

So where's this "audition room?" to listen to your playing?
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Re: Fatigue in the 10-1
Reply #9 on: August 07, 2005, 09:04:18 AM
Okay... I found the "audition room."  I actually placed some links (.wav) files to my violin playing if anyone is interested (excerpts of the Tchaik Violin Concerto - very short because these are .wav files and they are only 1-3 megs each).  I repeat VIOLIN concerto.... I didn't want you guys to get disappointed.  I'm working on getting a piano so then I could record piano pieces :)   ;D
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