the Etude Thread

[stevie]

ive had an idea, that may be helpful to many students(probably been done before but..).
to list as many etudes(preferably musical, and not only pieces that are titled 'etudes - more generally pieces that focus on a technique and help develop it)  as we can that focus on a particular technique.

this way, presupposing that the student already knows his weaknesses, can have a selection of pieces to choose from to develop that particular technique.

each piece will fall under a category, which can also be subdivided - example - for double notes, subcategories can include 3rds, 6ths, and miscellanious

ideally also, next to the etude you mention , mention which hand it focuses on, and if it fallys under a miscellanious section of a cateory - like feux follets would, for double notes, try to specify in brackets it's pianistic use.

to start things off -

arpeggios -

chopin op10 no1  (right hand, with great stretches)
chopin op25 no12 (both hands)

double notes -
3rds -

chopin op25 no6 (right hand)
chopin/godowsky rewrite of op25 no6 (left hand)

6ths-

chopin op25 no8 (right hand)
chopin/godowsky rewrite of op25 no8 (left hand)

miscellanious -

chopin op10 no2 (chromatic figurations using outer fingers of right hand)



thats for starters, is anyone else interested in compiling a more definitive list?

[pseudopianist]

I have a question, the arpeggios in 10/1 are not seen to often so is it such a good arpeggio etude?

And techniques in 25/5 are they used that often (except the broken chord technique in the left hand)?

[stevie]

I have a question, the arpeggios in 10/1 are not seen to often so is it such a good arpeggio etude?

And techniques in 25/5 are they used that often (except the broken chord technique in the left hand)?

the op10 no1 is a GREAT arpeggio etude, in reality, if you can play this etude at a fast tempo and with ease, practically all other arpeggios are made much easier.

i dont have much experience with 25/5...

but ive thought of a different category of etude - that of the 'musical' kind, where the difficulty isnt so much in the motions as in the way the sound should sound...if you get me, generally this is the purpose of slow etudes

such as - chopin op10 no3, no6, and op25 no7, of course there are other things in them , but primarily these atudes are all about developing voicing and touch.

[nolan]

Here are some:

Liszt - Transcendental Etude No. 6 "Vision"
Tons of arpeggios (both hands) and large hand stretches. Also my favorite of the TE's.

Rachmaninoff - Etude-Tableaux Op. 39 No. 8
Legato LH over some tricky leaps. Legato double notes in the RH.

-Nolan

[musicsdarkangel]

Playing Lightly (something most overlook) Liszt - La Campanella
Octaves, pounding the repeated chords out Liszt - Mazeppa
Finger Independance - Chopin's 3rds etude Liszt - Feux Follet
Crossing over the thumb  Chopin - Winter Wind etude, Chopin - Ocean Etude
Leaps - Liszt - La Campanella Chopin - Aeolian Harp etude


many more later.

[phil13]

Here are the etudes I know of. Some fall into more than one category:

DOUBLE NOTES:

6ths

Scriabin: Etude Op.8 No.6
Chopin: Etude Op.25 No.8

3rds:

Chopin: Etude Op.25 No.6

Octaves:

Chopin: Etude Op.25 No.10
Scriabin: Etude Op.8 No.9 (LH)
Scriabin: Etude Op.8 No.12 (RH)

Misc.

Chopin Op.10 No.2 (chromatics with chords RH)
Chopin: Etude Op.10 No.7 (repeated note with notes above it RH)
Scriabin: Etude Op.8 No.1 (repeated 3rds,4ths, 5ths and 6ths in RH)

SINGLE NOTE

Runs

Chopin: Op.10 No.8 (RH)
Chopin: Op.10 No.12 (LH)

Broken Chords

Chopin: Op.10 No.9 (LH)
Chopin: Op.10 No.5 (RH)
Chopin: Op.10 No.11
Chopin: Op.25 No.5 (RH)

Jumps

Scriabin: Op.8 No.5 (RH octave jumps)
Scriabin: Op.8 No.7 (LH)
Scriabin: Op.8 No.12 (LH)

ARPEGGIOS

Chopin: Etude Op.25 No.1
Chopin: Etude Op.25 No.12

STRETCHING/ CONTRACTING OF THE HANDS

Chopin: Op.10 No.1 (RH)
Chopin: Op.10 No.4
Chopin: Op.25 No.2 (RH)
Chopin: Op.25 No.11 (RH)
Scriabin: Op.2 No.1
Scriabin: Op.8 No.11

TECHNIQUE

Staccato

Chopin: Op.25 No.4

Legato

Chopin Op.10 No.6

Both Staccato and Legato

Chopin Nouvelles Etudes No.3

Different Rhythms/Polyrhythms

Chopin Op.25 No.2
Chopin Nouvelles Etudes Nos. 1 and 2
Scriabin: Most of them have some sort of polyrhythm, 5 on 4, 5 on 3, 3 on 2, 4 on 3, etc.

Separate Accents in the Hands

Chopin: Op.10 No.10

Holding Notes during the Melody

Chopin: Op.25 No.3
Chopin: Op.25 No.9 (RH)

MUSICALITY

Chopin: Op.10 No.3
Chopin: Op.25 No.7
Scriabin: Op.8 No.11

AND THEN THERE'S...

Scriabin Etude Op.42 No.5: This one is just tricky, with different rhythms, 3 voices, LH jumps, repeated notes in the RH, and it's so beautiful! Scriabin's hardest and best IMO. If you haven't heard it already, go listen to it! It'll knock the wind out of you.

Phil

[pianohopper]

Godowsky was insane when he did this.  To do what he did to the Chopin etudes (make them more difficult than they already are!) should be a crime. 

BUt the Chopin etudes are good for almost everything. 

[pseudopianist]

Broken Chords, Legato playing, Wierd Apreggios, Streches between index and pinky, trciky variations for the mind to crazy over: Op 25/5