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Offline Nordlys

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Three or more staves
on: August 07, 2005, 03:39:26 PM
What piano music do you know, from romantic repertoary, which uses three or more staves?

Debussy's images II and preludes II consistently uses three staves, in order to clarify the texture of the music.
Rachmaninov's famous prelude in ciss-moll uses four staves at the end.

Do you know any other?

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #1 on: August 07, 2005, 04:13:58 PM
Liszt's Mephisto Waltz, most editions show an extra one for the right hand in the middle passages.

That is all I can remember in the moment...
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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #2 on: August 07, 2005, 04:21:31 PM
Liszt Mazeppa.

Debussy? Romantic? More than 2 staves is also found in Medtner sonatas. 

Offline orlandopiano

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #3 on: August 07, 2005, 04:29:03 PM
Prokofiev 2nd Concerto uses 3 staves at times, including the monstrous 1st mvmt cadenza.

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #4 on: August 07, 2005, 04:32:37 PM
rach etude op3 no2

4 staves.

poulenc napoli suite 2nd mvt. 3 staves

Offline musicsdarkangel

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #5 on: August 07, 2005, 06:41:59 PM
Ravel - Gaspard de la nuit.

Offline guru_of_time

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #6 on: August 07, 2005, 06:49:33 PM
Prokofiev uses it in several of his songs...a few songs are even in different keys for each hand

Offline mlsmithz

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #7 on: August 07, 2005, 11:32:17 PM
Among the Lyapunov Transcendental Etudes, No.5 in E major, 'Nuit d'ete', uses three staves for the majority of the piece, while No.3 in B major, 'Carillon', also uses three staves for much of the piece and even goes up to four staves for the coda (although the lowest stave is used only for the repeated lowest B on the keyboard, instructed to be played 'quasi gran campana' - 'like a large bell').

Offline phil13

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #8 on: August 08, 2005, 12:53:10 AM
Scriabin's Sonata No.10, Op.70 uses 3.

So does Schumann's Romanze and Liszt's 'Apres une Lecture de Dante'.

Phil

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #9 on: August 08, 2005, 01:38:39 AM
Sgambati/Gluck Melodie de Orfeo was originally written in 3 staves.
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Offline odsum25

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #10 on: August 08, 2005, 02:01:10 AM
Macdowell's To a Water Lilly uses three staves throughout I believe.

Offline Nordlys

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #11 on: August 08, 2005, 09:09:33 AM
Liszt's Mephisto Waltz, most editions show an extra one for the right hand in the middle passages.

But is the original edition with three staves?

Liszt Mazeppa.

Debussy? Romantic? More than 2 staves is also found in Medtner sonatas.

Debussy is of course not romantic. But my aim was to find out when the idea of using more than 2 staves arose, so I wrote romantic, but I meant 'before Debussy'. I guess we don't find any 18th c. music with 3 staves.

Scriabin's Sonata No.10, Op.70 uses 3.

And also no.5 (briefly) and no.8 and 9.

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So does Schumann's Romanze and Liszt's 'Apres une Lecture de Dante'.
Phil

Schumann? Really? In that case it is the earliest example.

Liszt's 'Apres une Lecture de Dante' didn't have three staves the last time I looked. I mean the original edition, the way the composer planned the score.

Among the Lyapunov Transcendental Etudes, No.5 in E major, 'Nuit d'ete', uses three staves for the majority of the piece, while No.3 in B major, 'Carillon', also uses three staves for much of the piece and even goes up to four staves for the coda (although the lowest stave is used only for the repeated lowest B on the keyboard, instructed to be played 'quasi gran campana' - 'like a large bell').

'La cathedrale engloutie' from preludes I by Debussy uses only 2 staves, but the score would be clearer with three staves, because of a similar passage with low bass notes. In preludes II there are consistently three staves, even if it is not necessary all the time.


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Offline nanabush

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #12 on: August 10, 2005, 02:46:16 AM
Ya Cathedral Engloutie should have 3 staves in the spots with like 7 notes chord cluster type things... if it was spaced out, it'd be easier to read wihout having  to memorize the notes..
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Offline JCarey

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #13 on: August 10, 2005, 02:57:09 AM
I consider some of Sorabji's music to be late Romantic, like the Fantasie Espagnole. Sorabji's would write on 3-7 staves throughout most of this music. The FE is on 3 staves throughout the entire piece, I believe.

Busoni's Concerto uses 4 staves.

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #14 on: August 10, 2005, 07:20:27 PM
Rach C-Sharp prelude has 4 staves at the end. ... And i have an urtext edition of the Dante sonata... and it never has three staves? Where exactly.

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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #15 on: August 13, 2005, 04:56:31 AM
Albeniz:  Parts of "Iberia"
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Re: Three or more staves
Reply #16 on: August 13, 2005, 02:05:12 PM
Scriabins 8th uses 4 (or was it five staves) at one time and the other the rest of it 2 - 3 staves
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