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Offline BoliverAllmon

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Pollini Vs. Perrahia
on: August 27, 2005, 02:30:21 PM
Which do you prefer for the Chopin Etudes and why?

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #1 on: August 27, 2005, 03:31:56 PM
POLLINI!!!! Only because I haven't heard Perrahia performing them.     :-\

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #2 on: August 27, 2005, 04:08:44 PM
gavrilov slaughters both of them technically and musically.

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #3 on: August 28, 2005, 04:41:14 AM
gavrilov slaughters both of them technically and musically.

never heard gavrilov's. I personally enjoyed Perrahia's better. I use to go to sleep listening to his recording

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #4 on: August 28, 2005, 04:51:01 AM
personally enjoyed Perrahia's better. I use to go to sleep listening to his recording

Uh, is that a good  thing when we're talking about the Chopin Etudes?   ;D

Actually Perahia is one of my favorite pianists, but I think I like Pollini's Etudes a bit more.

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #5 on: August 28, 2005, 07:49:59 AM
If we're talking etudes only, then definitely Pollini.
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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #6 on: August 28, 2005, 11:12:57 AM
Pollini for the etudes, Perahia for the ballades.
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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #7 on: August 28, 2005, 11:31:36 AM
I don't care for either set to be honest. Technically there are no real complaints; and with the amount of editing you'd bloody well hope not. Still the intepretations left me cold, which is something that I've come to expect from these two pianists. I greatly prefer Cortot's recordings.

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #8 on: August 28, 2005, 12:05:41 PM
never heard gavrilov's. I personally enjoyed Perrahia's better. I use to go to sleep listening to his recording

then you might not like gavrilov....

gavrilov has the fastest winterwind etude ever recorded.

another thing to check out is a live recording of op25 with sokolov, stunning playing.

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #9 on: August 28, 2005, 12:17:11 PM
Uh, is that a good  thing when we're talking about the Chopin Etudes?   ;D

Actually Perahia is one of my favorite pianists, but I think I like Pollini's Etudes a bit more.

I think it is a good thing. I love the interpretations. Most of the time I am out by 10/7 or 8. I just love the set.

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #10 on: August 28, 2005, 12:22:38 PM
by contrast, use cziffra's recording as your morning wake-up alarm  ;D

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #11 on: August 28, 2005, 12:27:01 PM
true, I just got that set. He is definately more fiery. He doesn't sound as clean as times, but really plays it with a lisztian power.

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #12 on: August 28, 2005, 01:04:31 PM
Pollini by far!
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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #13 on: August 28, 2005, 01:11:03 PM
true, I just got that set. He is definately more fiery. He doesn't sound as clean as times, but really plays it with a lisztian power.



trust me, hes as clean as perahia, and his technique dwarfs both perahia's and pollini's.

the reason it sounds that way is because of the botched mastering job apparently.

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #14 on: August 28, 2005, 03:35:32 PM
I only heard Pollini and Perahia's recordings, and of those I much prefer Pollini's. It has more sparkle and excitement (in my opinion).
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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #15 on: August 29, 2005, 05:30:09 AM
trust me, hes as clean as perahia, and his technique dwarfs both perahia's and pollini's.

the reason it sounds that way is because of the botched mastering job apparently.

I could see that. At times it almost sounds as if he decided not retake a certain section. Not that he couldn't play it better, but for whatever reason didn't.

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #16 on: August 29, 2005, 07:33:02 AM
Which do you prefer for the Chopin Etudes and why?



Between these two Perhaia, although it's sort of uninspired for him. I cannot abide Pollini's Chopin, except for that old E minor Concerto.

I enjoy the recordings by Agustin Anievas and Louis Lortie.
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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #17 on: August 29, 2005, 12:38:31 PM
i like cziffra and gavrilov
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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #18 on: August 29, 2005, 01:24:55 PM
Which do you prefer for the Chopin Etudes and why?



Ashkenazy's First Recordings of the etudes.....

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #19 on: August 29, 2005, 07:37:11 PM
Which do you prefer for the Chopin Etudes and why?


Between Pollini and Perahia, I prefer Pollini, an homogeneous Chopin.

Between Pollini and Gavrilov, I prefer Gavrilov, beyond-description technique and passion displayed.

Berezovsky  perhaps the most elegant and sensitive. The first who invites me to play op 10 n 3... the others just invite me listen.

Juana Zayas extraordinary technique pure passion.

Pogorelich and Horowitz haven't a complete set...and Freire only op 25...unfortunately...




If I had to choose only one set, perhaps I would prefer  Guiomar Novaes, Chopin Etudes- 3Cd set,  with the Nocturnes and Sonata op 35 (both peerless)...but Arrau seduces me...

My favorite individual  interpretations of the etudes would be, in  order:

10/1 - Earl Wild; Argerich
10/2 - Arrau
10/3 - Berezovsky (peerless)
10/4 - Horowitz
10/5 - Cortot (peerless)
10/6 - Guiomar Novaes (peerless)
10/7 - Guiomar Novaes
10/8 - Berezovsky; Pogorelich
10/9 - Cziffra
10/10 - Cziffra,Cortot
10/11 - Cziffra
10/12 - Cziffra,Horowitz, Arrau

25/1 - Guiomar Novaes
25/2 - Berezovsky; Nelson Freire; Cortot
25/3 - Cortot (peerless)
25/4 - Berezovsky
25/5 - Ashkenazy; Cortot, both peerless
25/6 - Pletnev; Gavrilov; Arrau; Juana Zayas
25/7 - Nelson Freire; Cortot
25/8 - Guiomar Novaes; Earl Wild; both of them play the bass peerless.
25/9 - Ashkenazy
25/10 - Gavrilov; Berezovsky; Nelson Freire
25/11 - Nelson Freire; Berezovsky
25/12 - Shura Cherkassky and  Berezovsky, both peerless; Backhaus; Gavrilov

Trois nouvelles études : Nelson Freire
No. 1 in f minor (Andantino)
No. 2 in A-flat (Allegretto)
No. 3 in D-flat (Allegretto)

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #20 on: August 29, 2005, 07:42:40 PM
Between Pollini and Perahia, I prefer Pollini, an homogeneous Chopin.

Between Pollini and Gavrilov, I prefer Gavrilov, beyond-description technique and passion displayed.

Berezovsky perhaps the most elegant and sensitive. The first who invites me to play op 10 n 3... the others just invite me listen.

Juana Zayas extraordinary technique pure passion.

Pogorelich and Horowitz haven't a complete set...and Freire only op 25...unfortunately...




If I had to choose only one set, perhaps I would prefer Guiomar Novaes, Chopin Etudes- 3Cd set, with the Nocturnes and Sonata op 35 (both peerless)...but Arrau seduces me...

My favorite individual interpretations of the etudes would be, in order:

10/1 - Earl Wild; Argerich
10/2 - Arrau
10/3 - Berezovsky (peerless)
10/4 - Horowitz
10/5 - Cortot (peerless)
10/6 - Guiomar Novaes (peerless)
10/7 - Guiomar Novaes
10/8 - Berezovsky; Pogorelich
10/9 - Cziffra
10/10 - Cziffra,Cortot
10/11 - Cziffra
10/12 - Cziffra,Horowitz, Arrau

25/1 - Guiomar Novaes
25/2 - Berezovsky; Nelson Freire; Cortot
25/3 - Cortot (peerless)
25/4 - Berezovsky
25/5 - Ashkenazy; Cortot, both peerless
25/6 - Pletnev; Gavrilov; Arrau; Juana Zayas
25/7 - Nelson Freire; Cortot
25/8 - Guiomar Novaes; Earl Wild; both of them play the bass peerless.
25/9 - Ashkenazy
25/10 - Gavrilov; Berezovsky; Nelson Freire
25/11 - Nelson Freire; Berezovsky
25/12 - Shura Cherkassky and Berezovsky, both peerless; Backhaus; Gavrilov

Trois nouvelles études : Nelson Freire
No. 1 in f minor (Andantino)
No. 2 in A-flat (Allegretto)
No. 3 in D-flat (Allegretto)

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thank you for sharing that with us......

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #21 on: August 29, 2005, 07:43:55 PM
this sounds believable.  perahia is really great at mozart but i haven't listened to much of his chopin.  pollini is super fast and light. but, there are so many more.  having a broader range than just one or two pianists - but separating the performances like this is much more detailed.  it gives a little insight into interpretation of each particular piece.

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #22 on: August 29, 2005, 11:10:18 PM


25/6 - Pletnev; Gavrilov; Arrau; Juana Zayas
25/7 - Nelson Freire; Cortot
25/8 - Guiomar Novaes; Earl Wild; both of them play the bass peerless.
25/9 - Ashkenazy

{}s Pedro




Sorry for two omissions!!!

Josef Levhinne, equal score to Pletnev in op 25 n 6!

And Josef Hofmann peerless op 25 n 9! excuse me Ashkenazy...

{}s Pedro

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #23 on: August 30, 2005, 07:39:25 AM
I don't care for either set to be honest. Technically there are no real complaints; and with the amount of editing you'd bloody well hope not. Still the intepretations left me cold, which is something that I've come to expect from these two pianists. I greatly prefer Cortot's recordings.


I agree. Cortot has more spirit overall, IMO.


And BTW: cool sig. :D
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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #24 on: August 30, 2005, 03:25:28 PM
Fastest tastefull recording of the etudes according to you?

What´s the most aggressive and yet tasteful recording of the "Revolutionary"?

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #25 on: August 31, 2005, 05:43:02 PM
Fastest tastefull recording of the etudes according to you?

What´s the most aggressive and yet tasteful recording of the "Revolutionary"?

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #26 on: August 31, 2005, 09:24:46 PM
Has anyone heard Yundi Li's op.10 no.5? I liked it a lot. Very vivace, as the marking asks for. He also shows great control over his dynamics.
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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #27 on: August 31, 2005, 10:03:49 PM
Fastest tastefull recording of the etudes according to you?

What´s the most aggressive and yet tasteful recording of the "Revolutionary"?

why tasteful?

the fastest 10/4 - richter

fastest 25/11 - gavrilov

i dont know any recordings that arent tasteful, i dont quite know what you mean

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #28 on: August 31, 2005, 10:56:11 PM
I haven't heard either of them, though I've heard about 4 others. I think John Browning is my favorite performer for all of them, and I like some of Cziffra's a lot.

Why has no one mentioned John Browning?

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #29 on: September 01, 2005, 03:15:39 PM
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i dont know any recordings that arent tasteful, i dont quite know what you mean

Feel free to mention the most aggressive recording you have heard "Revolutionary"

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Re: Pollini Vs. Perrahia
Reply #30 on: September 01, 2005, 04:30:37 PM
I think John Browning is my favorite performer for all of them
LEGENDARY. technically way above pollini/perahia and on the GAVRILOV/CZIFFRA level
 

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