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Offline dschoenenberger

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Bumblebee confusion
on: August 03, 2003, 09:51:06 PM
hey pianists

its about flight of the bumblebee. originally an orchestral piece of rimsky-korsakov

now, everybodys talking about rachmaninovs transcription of it. ive been searching sheetmusicplus and amazon.de. there are piano solo scores by rimsky-korsakov, but none by rach.

sergei and nikolai have been close friends, so maybe they did it together.
my question is: are "Flight of the Bumblebee" by Rachmaninov and Korsakov equal, or is there a difference?

thanks for help, Dominik.

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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #1 on: August 04, 2003, 12:50:25 AM
yes rach did transc. RK's Version.  I believe the original is much longer and has more sections than rachs. he shortened it and brought out the theme. u want to hear midis?
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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #2 on: August 04, 2003, 05:13:47 AM
the original piece was from The Tzar if i remember right, and its about 3:30. the piano transcription is about 1:30 :)
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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #3 on: August 04, 2003, 09:15:34 AM
Gyorgy Cziffra also did a transcription, although it is naturally insanely difficult. Has anyone else heard it?
Ed

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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #4 on: August 04, 2003, 11:04:30 AM
tnx for ur comments!

i have midis of rachs transcription, but i still couldnt find its scores! not even on free sheet music sites. do u know a specified edition?

the piece isnt too long, so if someone could scan it and e-mail it to me (mapex"at"gmx.ch), I'd really appreciate that with paypal money or a post card or Swiss chocolate or whatever you want!

Dominik

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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #5 on: January 20, 2004, 01:26:15 PM
Hello,i think the version is much a bit faster...but if your looking for a "waspy"vesion of it..i could recommend you lister to Vollodos'version of it!! :) ....By the way,the one that Maksim recoreded for his tech-version  was by Rach version right?  

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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #6 on: January 20, 2004, 02:50:29 PM
oh maksim!
we at the forum LOVE him,
i dont want to pollute my ears with his drivel, but i would imagine if its about 1:30 then its the short one. or maybe he made his own arrangement cos hes so talented and all, we love him! please keep mentioning him and youre sure to recieve kind comments!
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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #7 on: January 20, 2004, 06:18:20 PM
the confusion might be that transcriptions are named with both composers, separated by a dash.  the composer who wrote the original is first, then dash, then the composer who transcribed it for new instrument.

the cziffra version is nothing short of astonishing- i am yet to hear him performing it however, there's only one cd of him playing it and you can't even ORDER it in australia.
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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #8 on: January 20, 2004, 06:29:35 PM
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the confusion might be that transcriptions are named with both composers, separated by a dash.  the composer who wrote the original is first, then dash, then the composer who transcribed it for new instrument.

the cziffra version is nothing short of astonishing- i am yet to hear him performing it however, there's only one cd of him playing it and you can't even ORDER it in australia.


 There's a live performance of him doing it as an encore in Paris, 1957...it, of course, caused a furor.  Katsaris also plays the hell out of it.  I have the music, but I actually think it's been published, along with a lot of his other transcriptions/compositions in the Peters edition, I believe.
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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #9 on: January 20, 2004, 10:16:34 PM
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the cziffra version is nothing short of astonishing- i am yet to hear him performing it


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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #10 on: January 21, 2004, 08:30:49 AM
YES PLEASE!!!
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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #11 on: January 21, 2004, 06:07:32 PM
To the person who spoke of Maksim. This is from what I remember hearing on mtv. I do believe he used the rach transcription, but of course tinkered with it to fit in bizarre techno here and there. Stretched it out to 3 minutes plus. And... cos he plays it ridiculously slowly.

Enough of maksim. Kill me please.

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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #12 on: January 23, 2004, 05:46:36 PM
Please

please someone send me the cziffra's bumble bee played by himself(not volodos)
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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #13 on: February 03, 2004, 04:57:14 PM
hi, dominik,

i got the original score on rachmaninov's transcription - that's the version horowitz plays (with some minor modifications). horrorwitz's timing is 1'09 - quite good!!! i haven't heard volodos, someone told me he plays in octaves! can't imagine that...

if you want the score, i'll send you an pdf scan. i tried playing it (changing the chords in the left hand cause i can't reach the third over the octave), but cannot get under 1'25 :))) maybe you got more luck :)

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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #14 on: February 03, 2004, 06:24:16 PM
anda-

i should very much appreciate if you send me the rach PDF!!! my address is mapex @ gmx.ch

many thanks in advance!
Dominik

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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #15 on: February 03, 2004, 08:02:39 PM
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hi, dominik,

i got the original score on rachmaninov's transcription - that's the version horowitz plays (with some minor modifications). horrorwitz's timing is 1'09 - quite good!!! i haven't heard volodos, someone told me he plays in octaves! can't imagine that...

if you want the score, i'll send you an pdf scan. i tried playing it (changing the chords in the left hand cause i can't reach the third over the octave), but cannot get under 1'25 :))) maybe you got more luck :)



Vodolos played Cziffra's version

Cziffra made a transcription of the piece into octaves

I have the score

But i want Cziffra's own recording, not volodos.
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Offline liszt1022

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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #16 on: March 10, 2004, 11:02:55 PM
1. Rimsky-Korsakov wrote it for orchestra
2. Rachmaninoff made the most popular piano transcription of it - there are several recordings of Rach playing it, they are unbelievable
3. Cziffra's version is in octaves
4. Volodos plays Cziffra's version
5. There are other arrangements, which try to come closer to the original than Rachmaninoff, but I don't like them so much
6. I wrote out a left-hand version of the piece, but I can't play it yet

Anyway this is an old topic, I just thought I'd throw in some stuff in case there was still any confusion.

Offline comme_le_vent

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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #17 on: March 11, 2004, 03:38:54 AM
and the best arrangement isnt cziffra's or rach's, its hamelin's(imo).
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Offline dschoenenberger

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Re: Bumblebee confusion
Reply #18 on: March 11, 2004, 07:14:13 PM
Liszt1022 - many thanks for your summary. I was confused because it was hard to find rach transcription. usually, they sell rimsky's own.
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