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Offline zheer

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David Helfgott
on: October 03, 2005, 05:06:09 PM
Where has he gon, i saw the film shine and i loved it, i saw a TV interview of him, he played a little it wasnt perfect but i liked it. He makes a change to all these super human pianists . He seems to have an amazing life story, and he seems to be like one of us. Not some piano lord with an ego just as big as their heads.
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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #1 on: October 03, 2005, 07:21:05 PM
Shine is probably the only reason he's famous.

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #2 on: October 03, 2005, 11:31:55 PM
Yeah, I would like to know more about him. There is a alot of information turning around 'Shine', but what about his playing?... I read in this an extensive Lang-ang discussion. What about David Helfgott???.....

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #3 on: October 04, 2005, 01:54:08 AM
he's not very good!! rach 3 - case in point!
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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #4 on: October 04, 2005, 03:16:36 AM
His un sospiro is pretty.

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #5 on: October 04, 2005, 10:17:37 AM
he's not very good!! rach 3 - case in point!

He can play the rach 3 very well. I went to see him in Concerto with the West Australian Symphonic Orchestra. I've also heard most of the other Famous composers playing the Rach 3 and he is one of the top ones (I'm not saying he is THE best, but he can play damn well.)

Sorry to say this, but if you haven't seem him IN concert, then you can't possibly bag him. The CD recording was a bad recording. Everyone has a bad performance. EVERYONE!

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #6 on: October 04, 2005, 10:45:11 AM
His un sospiro is pretty.

It's possibly the best one I have heard along with Cziffra and Hamelin.

The rest of recordings are pretty awful
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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #7 on: October 04, 2005, 10:47:40 AM
I'd only be basing my views of him upon his recording of the Rach 3 so I can't really comment. It'd be interesting to see him in concert.
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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #8 on: October 04, 2005, 08:01:18 PM
I love his Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2!

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #9 on: October 05, 2005, 12:18:36 AM
It's possibly the best one I have heard along with Cziffra and Hamelin.

The rest of recordings are pretty awful

I also have those two, and I have to say I love all those playings, but Cziffra has the best interpretation of it IMO.

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #10 on: October 05, 2005, 04:46:50 PM
I also have those two, and I have to say I love all those playings, but Cziffra has the best interpretation of it IMO.

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #11 on: October 05, 2005, 08:03:55 PM

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #12 on: October 05, 2005, 11:20:03 PM
What does the abbreviation IMO stand for??

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #14 on: October 06, 2005, 01:32:51 AM
I have a tremendous amount of respect for Helfgot, put not as a pianist.

He has gained performance through celebrity rather than celebrity through performance. Most pianists play Rachmaninov’s music badly, they over sentimentalise it, listen to the composers recording and you will see what I mean. In this respect Helfgott plays it honestly. But, to be honest, he doesn’t play it with respect.

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #15 on: October 06, 2005, 01:44:23 AM
Where has he gon, i saw the film shine and i loved it, i saw a TV interview of him, he played a little it wasnt perfect but i liked it. He makes a change to all these super human pianists . He seems to have an amazing life story, and he seems to be like one of us. Not some piano lord with an ego just as big as their heads.

hes like one of us? true, we suck

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #16 on: October 06, 2005, 02:40:44 AM
Helfgott had quite a lot of sucess before the movie Shine. Perhaps the movie allowed him to go overseas to places normally he wouldn't go, but he had a big career in Australia before Shine.

I have been to many of his concerts and have met him a number of times. His younger sister lives in my home town Mandurah which is just south of Perth in West Australia and he has peformed there many times. His playing is very expressive but it does leave what is written sometimes. However if you stop and just try to listen to the sound he produces, it is really special stuff. He has many quirks while playing, makes a lot of noise, you pray you get a seat facing his back rather that front because the noise can get louder than the music sometimes! When he buttons up or unbuttons his shirt he misses notes even, or when he looks at the audience while playing grinning!

He is who he is, and really don't think these things are put on. People get disturbed and say, it's a circus act! Some say, hey look at this guy, he's freaky! I think if you have an understanding of the sensitivity of the human mind you will be quite moved by the disorder that exists in Helfgott. But what is more facinating is how the disorder cannot destroy the music he produces. There is a real tension when you watch Helfgott play, you can't help but sense the chaotic mind somehow ordered with the music produced and then also sometimes the chaos disordering the music.

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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #17 on: October 06, 2005, 05:41:16 AM
What does the abbreviation IMO stand for??

In my opinion. IMHO In my humble opinion.
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Re: David Helfgott
Reply #18 on: October 06, 2005, 12:03:56 PM
I think if you have understand the sensitivity of the human mind you will be quite moved by the disorder that exists in Helfgott. But what is more facinating is how the disorder cannot destroy the music he produces. There is a real tension when you watch Helfgott play, you can't help but sense the chaotic mind somehow ordered with the music produced and then also sometimes the chaos disordering the music.

Thats what I have been trying to say... I was just pretty lousy at saying it...  :-\
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