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Offline Waldszenen

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Hardest Schumann works
on: October 04, 2005, 09:41:57 AM
What pieces by Schumann are typically considered to be his most difficult for the piano?

I know for one that his Toccata is very challenging. Any others?
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Offline mrchops10

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #1 on: October 04, 2005, 02:27:22 PM
I would say Kresleriana is the most challenging. Carnaval isn't easy, though.
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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #2 on: October 04, 2005, 04:15:14 PM
Kreisleriana is though.
His Piano Sonatas are very difficult too (all of them),
Fantasy in C major op.17
Piano Concerto op.54

i think those are the hardest.

Offline Floristan

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #3 on: October 04, 2005, 06:57:52 PM
...and the toccata, of course. 

Oh, doh!  :( ::)  I gotta start reading these more carefully!

Nevermind!  ;D

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #4 on: October 04, 2005, 08:31:32 PM
Although i have never played them, i have heard the Abegg Variations are of extreme difficulty in sections.
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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #5 on: October 04, 2005, 09:33:45 PM
Though it may not seem it at first glance, I have been having a devil of a time mastering his romance in f sharp.  Surprisingly difficult, though I don't know if it specifically has a reputation as such.

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #6 on: October 04, 2005, 09:54:36 PM
And let us not forget the Symphonic Etudes op. 13.

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #7 on: October 04, 2005, 11:10:10 PM
edward cohen randomly learnt and performed the piano concerto in under a week, quite impressive.

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #8 on: October 04, 2005, 11:48:17 PM
I would think the Symphonic Etudes op 13 and the Sonata in F sharp minor op 11 would be the 'hardest' (well the hardest for me anyway)...

Toccata would be up there too, but once you get the movement right its not too bad (okay its still bloody difficult but where talking relatively here!)

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #9 on: October 05, 2005, 12:21:22 AM
     In earlier generations, the Fantaisie in C major, Op.15 was considered the "acid test of the virtuoso".

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #10 on: October 05, 2005, 12:43:38 AM
Although i have never played them, i have heard the Abegg Variations are of extreme difficulty in sections.
I've been playing the abegg for quite a while and thy're not too difficult - just quick fingers and characterization which i guess you need for all Schumann.
The gmin Sonata is a pain!! it's extroardinarily fast! (and faster and faster) and the last movement has some pacing issues.
But i'd probably agree with the fantasie.
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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #11 on: October 05, 2005, 02:41:12 AM
What about of his Allegro Op 8, im learning it ans it not easy at all กกก
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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #12 on: October 05, 2005, 02:56:36 AM
schumann isn't easy in general. his music is unpianistic at all

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #13 on: October 05, 2005, 03:09:40 AM
For me, mechanically the second sonata is the hardest.  There are difficult jumps in Op. 17 and Paganini in Op. 9, but they are isolated.  Op. 22 is all hard.

I don't find Kreisleriana difficult at all.  I think Op. 12, Op. 6 and Op. 9 are each more difficult than Op. 16.

From an interpretation point of view, I think the Noveletten Op. 21 (all pieces as a cycle) is the hardest.
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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #14 on: October 05, 2005, 03:30:53 AM
What about of his Allegro Op 8, im learning it ans it not easy at all กกก

It's not really that bad compared to the other pieces ... tocatta is a lot worse than this.

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #15 on: October 05, 2005, 03:32:21 AM
Toccata

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #16 on: October 05, 2005, 03:39:22 AM

I just started looking at the Fantasie Op17. Looks pretty tricky, but then again Im finding alot of stuff tricky these days!

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Re: Hardest Schumann works
Reply #17 on: October 05, 2005, 04:01:20 AM
I just started looking at the Fantasie Op17. Looks pretty tricky, but then again Im finding alot of stuff tricky these days!

The first movement isn't really that bad but ...its wonderful. THAT is magnificient music.
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