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Offline stevie

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Underplayed Scriabin
on: October 12, 2005, 03:01:51 AM
one of my favourite composers, his music is virtually all very good, and frequently awesome, and occasionally...just some of the greatest music ever composed.

anyway, ive found that some of my favourite works by him are very seldomly played, the sonata in Eb minor, the impromptus(particularly 12/2)...among others...the mazurkas too , theyre is great as chopin's!

i randomly need to hear the polonaise, can someone randomly unleash a rec?

anyway yea, talk about scriabin, and stuff.

Offline quantum

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #1 on: October 12, 2005, 04:04:13 AM
I haven't been able to track down recordings of much of the earlier works.  Please share any that you know of. 

Also who publishes the early sonatas?  I've seen on PDF online of the Eb minor but it looks like parts have been filled in by an editor, and there was no indication of either editor or publisher. 
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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #2 on: October 12, 2005, 04:34:21 AM
i find his Mazurka Op.3 No.2 in F# Minor very good

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #3 on: October 12, 2005, 06:00:10 AM
Allegro Appasionato op 4
Allegro de Concert op 18
Waltz op 38

All three are excellent works, all seem to be relatively underplayed.

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BTW....I have all of Scriabin's sonatas...my copies of the early ones are in an IMC Edition.
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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #4 on: October 12, 2005, 06:18:59 AM
The 6th and 8th Sonatas are underplayed, as are the Op. 74 Preludes.

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #5 on: October 12, 2005, 02:03:08 PM
underplayed and early mostly, altho I enjoy listening to alot:

Canon in dm
Fugue (lovely)
Albumleaf in Ab
Albumleaf in f#
Nocturne in Ab
Fantasy for two Pianos (lovely)
Egoroff Variations
Op 04 - Allegro Appassionato (lovely)
Op Posth - Waltz in g#m
Op Posth - Waltz in Db
Op 01 - Waltz in fm
Op Posth - Mazurka in F
Op Posth - Mazurka in bm
Op 03 - 01 - Mazurka in bm - Tempo giusto
Op 03 - 02 - Mazurka in f#m - Allegretto non troppo
Op 03 - 03 - Mazurka in gm - Allegretto
Op 03 - 04 - Mazurka in E - Moderato
Op 03 - 05 - Mazurka in d#m - Doloroso
Op 03 - 06 - Mazurka in c#m - Scherzando
Op 03 - 07 - Mazurka in em - Con passione
Op 03 - 08 - Mazurka in bbm - Con moto
Op 03 - 09 - Mazurka in g#m
Op 03 - 10 - Mazurka in ebm - Sotto voce (lovely)
Op 07 - 01 - Impromptu a la Mazur in g#m
Op 07 - 02 - Impromptu a la Mazur in f#m
Op 10 - 01 - Impromptu in f#m
Op 10 - 02 - Impromptu in A (lovely)
Op 12 - 01 - Impromptu in F#
Op 12 - 02 - Impromptu in bbm
Op 14 - 01 - Impromtpu in B
Op 14 - 02 - Impromtpu in f#m
Op 18 - Allegro de concert (lovely)
Op 21 - Polonaise (lovely)
Op 31 - 01 - Prelude in Db -C - Andante (lovely)
Op 31 - 02 - Prelude in f#m - Con stravaganza (lovely)
Op 31 - 03 - Prelude in Eb - Presto
Op 31 - 04 - Prelude in Ab - Lento
Op 33 - 01 - Prelude in E
Op 33 - 02 - Prelude in F# - Vagamente
Op 33 - 03 - Prelude in C
Op 33 - 04 - Prelude in Ab - Ardito bellicoso (lovely)
Op 35 - 01 - Prelude in Db
Op 35 - 02 - Prelude in Bb
Op 35 - 03 - Prelude in C
Op 37 - 01 - Prelude in bbm - Mesto
Op 37 - 02 - Prelude in F# - Maestoso fiero
Op 37 - 03 - Prelude in B - Andante
Op 37 - 04 - Prelude in gm - Irato impetuoso (lovely)
Op 39 - 01 - Prelude in F# - Allegro
Op 39 - 02 - Prelude in D - Elevato
Op 39 - 03 - Prelude in G -Languido
Op 39 - 04 - Prelude in Ab
Op 46 - Scherzo (lovely)
Op 49 - 01 - Etude (lovely)
Op 49 - 02 - Prelude
Op 49 - 03 - Reverie (lovely)
Op 38 - Waltz in Ab
Op 47 - Quasi Waltz in F
Op 56 - 01 - Prelude
Op 56 - 02 - Ironies (lovely)
Op 56 - 03 - Nuances
Op 56 - 04 - Etude (lovely)

im a scriabin scholar.


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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #6 on: October 12, 2005, 06:59:15 PM
The only place I've seen the earlier works recorded together is Michael Ponti's complete Scriabin recordings.
Roberto Szidon also has some relatively unheard works (the earlier sonata?) on his Scriabin sonata recordings. He can be harsh when he plays Scriabin, but his interpretations aren't bad.

Oh yeah, and Pletnev (extremely underrated pianist) has a live recording of a ton of the preludes and the 4th and 10th sonatas. His tenth is second only to Horowitz's in my opinion.

Who do you guys think has the best 5th sonata (my favorite)?

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #7 on: October 13, 2005, 08:53:13 AM
His Piano Concerto!
"The concert is me" - Franz Liszt

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #8 on: October 13, 2005, 12:14:16 PM

Who do you guys think has the best 5th sonata (my favorite)?

   Horowitz, Sofronitsky and Richter.  I played the 5th for the first time in a concert recently; it's not my favorite, but what a remarkable piece.

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #9 on: October 14, 2005, 12:23:37 AM

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #10 on: October 14, 2005, 12:49:14 AM
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Who do you guys think has the best 5th sonata (my favorite)?
I have heard:
Ponti, Laredo, Hamelin, Horowitz, Taub, Ogdon, Mikhailov, Glemser, and Ashkenazy

My choice is Taub for a digital recording and Horowitz for an electrifying analog live performance.

One of Scriabin's composition teachers was said to have remarked after hearing him debut the piece: "I felt like I was beaten by sticks". Horowitz definitely approximates that. Taub is the opposite. His performance is mellow and nuanced... beautiful but not strident.

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #11 on: October 14, 2005, 12:50:28 AM
As for underplayed Scriabin...

I'm disappointed that there is no Horowitz or Sofronitsky 7th. I haven't heard Richter's. My choice is Glemser from those I've heard.

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #12 on: October 14, 2005, 03:29:29 PM
His Piano Concerto!

I love Scriabin's piano concerto, it's one of my favorites! I can't get enough of the 2nd movement, it's gorgeous!

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #13 on: October 14, 2005, 08:37:22 PM
I don't know if this is underplayed, but Scriabin's Etude Op.8 No.9 in G#-minor is surely seldomly recorded. I can't find it ANYWHERE.

It's probably the hardest of the Op.8 etudes, which may explain why it's not often performed as far as I know: Nobody wants to miss those insane, quick octave jumps in either hand.

Phil

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #14 on: October 15, 2005, 04:26:01 PM
I don't know if this is underplayed, but Scriabin's Etude Op.8 No.9 in G#-minor is surely seldomly recorded. I can't find it ANYWHERE.

It's probably the hardest of the Op.8 etudes, which may explain why it's not often performed as far as I know: Nobody wants to miss those insane, quick octave jumps in either hand.

Phil
I have two sets of complete Scriabin Etudes. Alexander Paley and Arthur Greene. I prefer the Greene.

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #15 on: October 24, 2005, 05:33:46 AM
I don't know if this is underplayed, but Scriabin's Etude Op.8 No.9 in G#-minor is surely seldomly recorded. I can't find it ANYWHERE.

It's probably the hardest of the Op.8 etudes, which may explain why it's not often performed as far as I know: Nobody wants to miss those insane, quick octave jumps in either hand.

Phil

there are lots of complete scriabin etudes....try Piers Lane on Hyperion

BTW...to correct something I said earlier...all my early scriabin sonatas are in an IMC except for number 1, IMC don't print number 1 to my knowledge.  I have it in a Belaieff if you are still after it though :)....sorry for the mistake

cheers

dmk
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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #16 on: October 24, 2005, 09:23:54 AM
I also think his etude with the staccato thirds (op.8#10) and the haunting etude based on a Russian folk melody (op.8#11) are underheard, but then again, even his most popular works are relatively unknown and seldom heard.

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #17 on: February 05, 2006, 02:07:13 AM
I don't know if this is underplayed, but Scriabin's Etude Op.8 No.9 in G#-minor is surely seldomly recorded. I can't find it ANYWHERE.

It's probably the hardest of the Op.8 etudes, which may explain why it's not often performed as far as I know: Nobody wants to miss those insane, quick octave jumps in either hand.

Phil

Piers Lane's Complete Scriabin Etudes is stunning.

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #18 on: February 05, 2006, 01:55:23 PM
For quantum, who asked about publishers, Dover (Music Books) publishes a reprint volume of the complete Sonatas. They also do another volume containing the Complete Préludes & Etudes. Both are clear reproductions of good Russian editions.

The piece intriguing me at the moment is Etude Op.65 No.1, which is a study in ninths in the RH. Very unusual...  :D

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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #19 on: February 05, 2006, 02:14:33 PM
I have all of the scriabin sonatas played by Szidon. Ill upload... i think sonatas 1, 2 and three are amazing.. the textures are so dense!!! It sounds cataclismic.. escpecially when there is loads of twiddly stuff in the right hand and the left gradualy makes its way down the piano until teh piano is groaning!!! Lol.. i love Scriabin...
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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #20 on: February 05, 2006, 04:55:53 PM
I am not sure if it is actually underplayed, it seems all Scriabin is underplayed, but I have the feeling that his late mature minatures are underplayed. Compared to those works opus 8 is rather crappy. For some reason the late sonatas do get more attention.
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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #21 on: February 05, 2006, 05:04:06 PM
All the sonatas, Szidon:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/qd9tcz
If you manage to download, be prepared to upload again because there can only be a gig of downloads from each source... so please re-upload if the link expires...
THanks,
Tom
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Re: Underplayed Scriabin
Reply #22 on: February 06, 2006, 03:36:27 AM
For quantum, who asked about publishers, Dover (Music Books) publishes a reprint volume of the complete Sonatas. They also do another volume containing the Complete Préludes & Etudes. Both are clear reproductions of good Russian editions.

The piece intriguing me at the moment is Etude Op.65 No.1, which is a study in ninths in the RH. Very unusual...  :D

Thanks.  I have all three dover books now.  But unfortunatly, the early sonatas composed before the F minor are not in them. 
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