Howard Na - Expose on the disgusting inner workings of the Chopin Competition

[stevie]

my previous thread was deleted, i basically said about the fact that the japanese female juror gave Mie-Ting Sun 5/100....

now read this - *edit*

howard stated that he got 0/110 from 1 juror, and 15/100 from another

im not saying anything....but this has to be known.

[zheer]

You didnt tell us you were in this competition, are you one of the finalists and haw can we see you on our computer.Good luck.

[cherub_rocker1979]

Howard Na is a member of this board?

[xvimbi]

I must say, Stevie, you are extremely naive, and I don't even mean this negatively. Any competition has aspects of what you are trying to draw attention to. It's always been like this, and it will always be like this, as long as people judge subjective matters. Every single competition has twenty such stories. Get over it. As to why certain participants are judged unfairly (in both directions), there are myriads of reasons, so don't jump to any conclusion about what the true reason might be. However, I must say that anyone who conducts himself like Mr. Na does openly on the Internet should not be surprised whatsoever if some jury members don't take too well to that.

[chopiabin]

I must say, Stevie, you are extremely naive, and I don't even mean this negatively. Any competition has aspects of what you are trying to draw attention to. It's always been like this, and it will always be like this, as long as people judge subjective matters. Every single competition has twenty such stories. Get over it. As to why certain participants are judged unfairly (in both directions), there are myriads of reasons, so don't jump to any conclusion about what the true reason might be. However, I must say that anyone who conducts himself like Mr. Na does openly on the Internet should not be surprised whatsoever if some jury members don't take too well to that.

Well, I normally agree with you Xvimbi, but I think you are partially wrong here. I mean, it is true that it's idealistic to believe that every competition is judged completely on merit, but shouldn't the public and the organizers of the competition expect some level of fairness? True, there is probably no way to remedy this particular situation, but it can't hurt to attract attention to corruption - especially when it starts to touch the arts!!

[xvimbi]

Well, I normally agree with you Xvimbi, but I think you are partially wrong here. I mean, it is true that it's idealistic to believe that every competition is judged completely on merit, but shouldn't the public and the organizers of the competition expect some level of fairness? True, there is probably no way to remedy this particular situation, but it can't hurt to attract attention to corruption - especially when it starts to touch the arts!!

I am not saying that one shouldn't strive for more fairness. I am only saying that Stevie is trying to draw attention to something that is widely known already. Check out the threads on how to get into Juilliard or Curtis, and you'll see that it already starts at this level, not just when it gets to performing for the public. It should be clear to everyone that, in the Arts, personal and subjective aspects play a much larger role than in areas where there is something like an objective standard. That is an inevitability of the system, and one is probably better off dealing with it rather than trying to change something that appears to go against human nature.

[brokenagraffe]

da_comme

you damned douchebag! what howard said wasn't supposed to be a direct public statement from him *sigh*.

[stevie]

da_comme

you damned douchebag! what howard said wasn't supposed to be a direct public statement from him *sigh*.

hahaha, are you sure?

well thats slightly hilarious, since his xanga is public, and anyone who does a little googling can find it.

anyway i edited it, but dont you guys go saying i made this all up, tis true.

[brokenagraffe]

hahaha. yeah, but it still makes him sound like a whiny b*tch, which he is far from... but haha. nice random edit.

[stevie]

hahaha. yeah, but it still makes him sound like a whiny b*tch, which he is far from... but haha. nice random edit.

thanks, i specialise in random edits 

[rimv2]

I am not saying that one shouldn't strive for more fairness. I am only saying that Stevie is trying to draw attention to something that is widely known already.

Like America. People know Bush is crackhor, but drawing attention to it wont change that fact. Clinton lied about a lob job and was almost impeached. Still waiting to see what happens to Bush...

[BoliverAllmon]

that was a little off topic but ok whatever.

[turner]

I, too, dislike the competition "circuit," and yes, politics do play a big role, indepedent of merits of the players. That said, genuine artistry and luck do prevail. Two good examples that I can think of are Ashkenazy and Uchida, both won the 2nd, and not the 1st, prize of the Chopin Competition. And with due respect to Harasiewicz and Ohlsson, the 1st prize winners of the respective Competition, Uchida and Ashkenazy have had better careers than the 1st prize winners.