Videos: Ingolf Wunder

[cherub_rocker1979]

Ballade no. 1 in G Minor, op. 23:

https://s59.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=39TQ1I5KT8EEO2EWULUV951XPB


Etude op. 10 no. 2 and Etude op. 25 no. 11:

https://s59.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=386DUNYCVZ9AP0LXRFCC3JVYHO


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Sonata no. 3 in B Minor, op. 58:

https://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1022HUMSI4TUA23AIR0VH8BO6G

https://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=06KQH3P4N6M2U3MH7LXZPM9ALX

https://s57.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0DHC7A4B99V6W2VQMQURA9BTY6

https://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=18LKB5RW6XMDZ1YB1BMU7WKSON


Mazurkas, op. 59:

https://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3GK56KN7RZGTZ22LDXR7OES41F


Andante Spianato and Grande Polonaise Brillante in E-flat Major, op. 22:

https://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=20T4YS4O3T9T539C98JUF6RE24

[stevie]

MUCH RESPECT for promoting this legend 

[tompilk]

MUCH RESPECT for promoting this legend

legend or leg end (e.g. foot)?

[stevie]

perhaps 

[acha114]

I really enjoyed those videos, thanks for posting them. If you have any other videos of the Chopin Competition, please post them.
Thanks!

[Mozartian]

....wow....
and he didn't even make the finals. That's absolutely sickening....
This dude is fantastic, thanks so much for sharing the vids.
I'm in love with his mazurkas.

[orlandopiano]

He needs to slow down and appreciate some of the music he is playing. Last I checked, it was a competition not a race.  He's playing a lot of this music faster (Winter Wind) than even he can handle.

Still though, he's a remarkable technician.

[stevie]

He needs to slow down and appreciate some of the music he is playing. Last I checked, it was a competition not a race.  He's playing a lot of this music faster than even he can handle.

Still though, he's a remarkable technician.

music is entertainment, speed is art 

[orlandopiano]

music is entertainment, speed is art 

His playing was out of control at times. He should cut the tempo by 10% and clean up some of the mess. I felt he cared about one thing- to show everyone how fast he could play. 

His dynamic range is incredible though.

[stevie]

His playing was out of control at times. He should cut the tempo by 10% and clean up some of the mess. I felt he cared about one thing- to show everyone how fast he could play. 

His dynamic range is incredible though.

he is 20, give him some time.....not that hell need it 

[orlandopiano]

give him some time.....

Exactly, which is why I don't understand the uproar over him not winning. When he matures into an artist who cares about more than speed and volume, maybe he'll get more respect from the judges.

[stevie]

Exactly, which is why I don't understand the uproar over him not winning. When he matures into an artist who cares about more than speed and volume, maybe he'll get more respect from the judges.

well i guess the winner's playing had more POLISH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMFG IM COMEDY

but wunder's playing more POTENT, like a viper, POTENTIAL, like a flaccid thing awaiting extra blood supply to engorge, yeah

[orlandopiano]

well i guess the winner's playing had more POLISH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMFG IM COMEDY

but wunder's playing more POTENT, like a viper, POTENTIAL, like a flaccid thing awaiting extra blood supply to engorge, yeah

There's no doubt the kid has serious chops. Phenomenal chops. But it's annoying that he approaches every fast section as if he is trying to break some kind of record.  Yes there ARE different degrees of fast.

Maybe I am just getting old.

[wooooo]

He is quite musical really, but he needs to appreciate music more and put in more rubato when he plays Chopin. Anyway, I don't think he will win the first prize even if had played Chopin wonderfully, don't you think? Look at the absence of 2nd prize. What does that mean?

[rimv2]

He is quite musical really, but he needs to appreciate music more and put in more rubato when he plays Chopin. Anyway, I don't think he will win the first prize even if had played Chopin wonderfully, don't you think? Look at the absence of 2nd prize. What does that mean?

*Checks conspiracy log*

Ohh. yep. There it is. Right under "The judges were extremely pompus to believe that none of the best pianists in the WORLD diserved second place"

GET OFF YOUR FREAKING THROWNS

And ironically the winner was polish

There was absolutely nothing shameful about this comp

[pita bread]

Maybe I am just getting old.

possibly.

[chromatickler]

He's playing a lot of this music faster (Winter Wind) than even he can handle.

he's also the only one in the competition who honoured chopin's tempo marking for this.

[BoliverAllmon]

I am getting no volume on the vids. anyone else have those problems?

boliver

[orlandopiano]

After a good night's sleep... I listened to a lot of his stuff again, and I like it a lot more now. It's amazing really. I think initially his tempos turned me off a bit, but the slight rushing doesn't bother me anymore.  His playing has so much passion and energy.   I still think he could afford to drop his tempi slightly and it would still sound great.

[stevie]

After a good night's sleep... I listened to a lot of his stuff again, and I like it a lot more now. It's amazing really. I think initially his tempos turned me off a bit, but the slight rushing doesn't bother me anymore.  His playing has so much passion and energy.   I still think he could afford to drop his tempi slightly and it would still sound great.

well, simon, try to understand that there were EIGHTY contestants in the first round.

he came near the end, after tons of mediocre techniques, and everyone playing it safe.

and them BOOM what OMG SHDYESHAKJASKDKDNFUCJKDJHSSJHAAHAHAHAHHAAAA

you can imagine his impact, it was INSANE, and he is a TRUE LEGEND for even ATTEMPTING to play this way in that competition, i was on the edge of my seat, it was seriously the most thrilling experience ive witnessed on live streaming video.

[pabst]

he is 20, give him some time.....not that hell need it 

true, he's only been playing for 6 years, this mindboogling 

[orlandopiano]

true, he's only been playing for 6 years, this mindboogling 

Listen to his Scherzo op.20 when he was 15. I think Jablonski has some serious competition for fastest on recording. If it's true that he started at 14, and he had only been playing piano for 1 year at the time of that performance, it is simply amazing.

Better yet, listen to his Martinu prelude, at 14.

Did the boy play Gaspard for his first lesson? Geeezzz...

[orlandopiano]

My guess is he played quite well before his first "serious" lesson. Probably better than all of us.

[BoliverAllmon]

probably so.

[tompilk]

Yes... and thanks for the great vids... he's, as said before, a legend...
Better than me, anyway...
Lol...

[demented cow]

I am getting no volume on the vids. anyone else have those problems?

You get sound if you select track 2 in the menu 'audio'.
Thanks Cherub Rocker for uploading this. (BTW, where does one get the videos for these competitions?)
I don't want to exaggerate by saying that nomen est omen, but he has world class rapidity and a lot of power. And he seems to get the effect which I value in technical displays: it is hairraising rather than just boring perfection. Wrong notes, sure, but it doesn't really detract from the music. A criticism: maybe he bangs too much sometimes.
I give him full marks for having the guts to play in a hair-raising way when for all he knew there might have been jurors who do no more than count wrong notes.

[prometheus]

There's also a big difference between rushing and playing something at a too high tempo.

[maxy]

Exactly, which is why I don't understand the uproar over him not winning. When he matures into an artist who cares about more than speed and volume, maybe he'll get more respect from the judges.

Because the winner seems far less interesting...

[stevie]

true, he's only been playing for 6 years, this mindboogling 

serisouly, yes, he was a violin virtuoso before that, and his talent for piano was SPOTTED ta 14, and then he dedicated hismerlf to it.

[chromatickler]

serisouly, yes, he was a violin virtuoso before that, and his talent for piano was SPOTTED ta 14, and then he dedicated hismerlf to it.

dey shud make a movie about this pregnant cat, starring da RON WEAZLEY

[viking]

I actually cant believe how insane this pregnant cat is.  holy pizz!

I think there have to be some people that take music seriously and play mozart and bach, but much much respect to those who break world speed records.  Music is entertainment, and this pregnant cat is pretty entertaining!

SAM

[chopiabin]

I actually think Wunder is tremendous - at first I was wary because the first performance I saw of his was my least favorite. I first looked in the Competition thread and compared his B minor sonata 4th mvmnt with Rafal's. I preferred Rafal's because he seemed to take his time when necessary, and I didn't percieve slowness due to technical difficulty, but rather to interpretation. Ingolf (or Ingy, as I have come to call him) seemed to be rushing at times in the sonata finale, and, though the technical display was tremendous, he seemed to gloss over the runs and just slightly trivialized the music.

But, after seeing Ingy's other videos, I am shocked by the fact that he didn't make it to the finals!! His performances of the other three movements of the B minor sonata were fantastic - his interpretations were evidence of a true Chopin lover. I also really liked the  two etudes, and the Ballade was pretty amazing - he plays the presto faster and better than pretty much anyone without any evidence of technical difficulty. The only thing that is funny about him are the faces he makes - they're weird, but sometimes I find myself kind of agreeing with him in my mind  , and he's kind of that nerdy "so-ugly- that-he's-cute" type of guy.

So yeah...anyways, I've been wanting to write about this for a few days and I guess I just did....

[stevie]

hahaha, i read somewhere some people thought he was cute and compared his looks to joshua bell.

the presto is his ballade IS the best ive ever heard, FLAWLESS VICTORY.

[finn magnus]

Can someone plz post the last movment of the Sonata? I would be happy.... 

Do anyone know where the vid come from? TV or a internet site?

[chopiabin]

It is posted.

[piazzo23]

I don´t like him nor his playing.

[stevie]

I don´t like him nor his playing.

 

[etudes]

Can someone plz post the last movment of the Sonata? I would be happy.... 

Do anyone know where the vid come from? TV or a internet site?

https://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=098J1998EF48C0PSFNT14A4BTU
new upload

btw anyone has performance by Blechacz (first prize) plz upload
esp.his scherzo ballade and etudes
thanks

[Dazzer]

we should find somewhere else.

sendit has a limit on downloads


and no offense... he looks like he's on drugs.

[stevie]

we should find somewhere else.

sendit has a limit on downloads


and no offense... he looks like he's on drugs.

probably speed 

[grigo]

sendit has a limit of 25 downloads so I cannot see how he plays my torture-etude op10/2. After 5 months playing it 20 to 40 times every day I can play it decently now at 150 but without pressing some middle notes in the right hand chords.For example in measure 22 at this speed it turns out that it's impossible for me to play all 3 notes in the G,B-flat,G with the right hand (at this point the left hand  only has to hit the E-flat) and instead I play only the octave G,G ( 1,5) omitting the B-flat (finger 2). I'm dying to see if Ingolf can  play the exact  right hand  chords as they appear in the score.Can someone post again the op10/2?

[cherub_rocker1979]

sendit has a limit of 25 downloads so I cannot see how he plays my torture-etude op10/2. After 5 months playing it 20 to 40 times every day I can play it decently now at 150 but without pressing some middle notes in the right hand chords.For example in measure 22 at this speed it turns out that it's impossible for me to play all 3 notes in the G,B-flat,G with the right hand (at this point the left hand  only has to hit the E-flat) and instead I play only the octave G,G ( 1,5) omitting the B-flat (finger 2). I'm dying to see if Ingolf can  play the exact  right hand  chords as they appear in the score.Can someone post again the op10/2?

Here's a new link to the video.  Don't forget that to view this video you have to download the software mentioned above.

https://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0GMN3BVTLW7BS20RPZZPCS186K

[grigo]

Thank you Cherub Rocker!!Million thanks for sharing the videos!!
This guy Wunder is a Wonder!   Only the chosen few can play flawlessly and at the same time artistically op10/2 under 70 seconds and the fast part of 25/11 under 3 minutes.From the angle the camera is positioned  I couldn't see if he played the full 3-note right hand chords in op10/2 (most probably not ; it seems to me that this is physically impossible especially at such exorbitant tempo) but this video will be my inspiration for achieving higher performance level for both these  etudes.Thanks again!!!!  

[chromatickler]

Thank you Cherub Rocker!!Million thanks for sharing the videos!!
This guy Wunder is a Wonder!   Only the chosen few can play flawlessly and at the same time artistically op10/2 under 70 seconds and the fast part of 25/11 under 3 minutes.From the angle the camera is positioned  I couldn't see if he played the full 3-note right hand chords in op10/2 (most probably not ; it seems to me that this is physically impossible especially at such exorbitant tempo) but this video will be my inspiration for achieving higher performance level for both these  etudes.Thanks again!!!!  

hahahahaha respect!

[grigo]

hahahahaha respect!

The devil is in the details!!   

Hats off to wunder(kind) Ingolf!!

[grigo]

oh boy!
very very disappointed am I

I expected to see good full 3-note chords in the right hand of 10/2 and instead not only he doesn't play the middle note in some chords but he uses his left hand to strike the 2 lower notes .Look at measure 4 if you have the video:in the end of this measure he has to play D, G sharp,C sharp with the right hand.Because the left hand is free at this moment he uses it to peck the lower D and G sharp .In this case he can use all right hand fingers in the chromatic descending passage in this second half of the measure and not only  the weak 3,4,5. It's much easier in this way and using this fingering even my grandmother could play the etude with a blissful smile.But it's not right!!

Now I see why he was eliminated.
Mao Ze Dong loved to say "appearances are deceptive"...

[xvimbi]

oh boy!
very very disappointed am I

I expected to see good full 3-note chords in the right hand of 10/2 and instead not only he doesn't play the middle note in some chords but he uses his left hand to strike the 2 lower notes .Look at measure 4 if you have the video:in the end of this measure he has to play D, G sharp,C sharp with the right hand.Because the left hand is free at this moment he uses it to peck the lower D and G sharp .In this case he can use all right hand fingers in the chromatic descending passage in this second half of the measure and not only  the weak 3,4,5. It's much easier in this way and using this fingering even my grandmother could play the etude with a blissful smile.But it's not right!!

Now I see why he was eliminated.
Mao Ze Dong loved to say "appearances are deceptive"...

Ehem, I always thought the end result is the important aspect, not how one achieves it. I have seen famous pianists play a trill with one finger from each hand. Who cares what fingering one uses, as long as the produced sound is OK.

[Motrax]

Well, normally that's the case, but for an etude one should follow the hand divisions as written. Imagine playing Campanella by hitting the bottom notes with the LH.  (not that it could be done the whole way through, but it'd make a number of spots much easier)

[chromatickler]

oh boy!
very very disappointed am I

I expected to see good full 3-note chords in the right hand of 10/2 and instead not only he doesn't play the middle note in some chords but he uses his left hand to strike the 2 lower notes .Look at measure 4 if you have the video:in the end of this measure he has to play D, G sharp,C sharp with the right hand.Because the left hand is free at this moment he uses it to peck the lower D and G sharp .In this case he can use all right hand fingers in the chromatic descending passage in this second half of the measure and not only  the weak 3,4,5. It's much easier in this way and using this fingering even my grandmother could play the etude with a blissful smile.But it's not right!!

Now I see why he was eliminated.
Mao Ze Dong loved to say "appearances are deceptive"...

you are very observant to pick this up. but you will be dissapointed to find that another contestant who played this etude at practically the same speed (1 second slower) but using much much more extensive cheating methods (including leaving out notes, doing the 34 trill with 13, LH helping all over the place including on the 4th beat of bar 2 and all its repeats)  got through to the finals. Dong-Hyek Lim, the 3rd prize winner, also played this etude. He too cheated in some parts, including the first 2 beats of bar 4 where he takes some RH chords with the LH, and the transition back to the A section, where he uses the normal chromatic fingering. It is wishful thinking to believe that judges would actually pick these things up, or that if they did, they would care.

as far as it is evident, Wunder cheated in 3 different spots, 2 of which are extremely common and even recommended in some editions (standard chromatic fingering for the transitions into and out of the B section, the third spot being bar4 beat 4 and its repeats). There is also a technical lapse in bar2 beat4 where he barely sounded the CE chord, however this is not cheating since in all repeat measures this chord does sound clearly. you would do well to point out which middle voices he leaves out. i believe that to establish this type of cheating in 10/2 you have to find a clear and delibrate pattern (ie. the lisitsa performance) and not just individual missing notes. if you have performed this etude you would (and indeed you do) know that at speed it's just about impossible to sound every note in every RH chord (the only person i've heard who can consistently do this is meiting sun)

i believe the degree of cheating detected in Wunder's performance can be attributed to lazyness (similarly for Dong-Hyek Lim) rather than a lack of technique. certainly the 25/11 (and the 10/4) erased any doubts i've had.

[grigo]

Open www.answers.com and type “etude”.By definition this is a piece composed for the development of a specific point of technique and performed because of its artistic merit.Like in artistic gymnastics in piano competition there are 2 components: the “sport” component and the “artistic” one. Similarly to the obligatory program in artistic gymnastics the etude must be performed exactly as conceived by its author: even every  slight digression from the original score is to be punished.But obviously the “sport” component takes its toll: the competing pianist cheats and misses notes because he strives to play it at 170. At 120 I can play perfectly all 3-note chords in op10/2. Let’s say that my competitor can achieve the same precision at 144.Now enters the “artistic“ component. If we both play the etude aesthetically satisfactorily the guy playing faster normally will beat me because this is an etude and he achieves more points in the “sport” section of the competition.

I’m sorry that there exist such things as competition in music, because music and human soul are the same thing.In other words people compete with their souls which in my opinion is preposterous.But “c’est la vie” – modern life is a nonstop competition especially for young ambitious people.