spelling errors in the posts

[cora]

Is it just me or does anyone else find the spelling errors on this and other forums irritating? We are supposed to be piano teachers here. A little thought can go a long way to making the forum more useful to everybody.

Perhaps people could organize their thoughts a bit more and distill them into one or two concise points so that we don't have to wade through pages and pages of the same information.

[ted]

I must disagree that "we are all supposed to be piano teachers here", or experts in the English language or experts of any sort for that matter, Cora. I and many other regulars probably have no desire whatever to teach. All sections of the forum are open to anybody with a genuine interest in piano music, whatever his or her age, profession, talent and command of written language.

[stevie]

franxky i dnto carre

[bernhard]

And let us not forget that many (if not the majority) of posters may not be native English speakers. 

[pantonality]

And let us not forget that many (if not the majority) of posters may not be native English speakers. 

I agree completely, but if there's one thing that I do find annoying it's when someone who obviously has command of the language types "your" when what they really mean is "you're." It's a pet peeve and I never point it out, unless someone's playing obnoxious know it all.

Just thought I'd brighten this thread with that happy thought.   

Steve
https://www.audiostreet.net/stevechandler
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[zheer]

I was a law student once upon a time and i still make stupid mistakes, like the word error, i spell it erra.

[ada]

there are worse sins....

it's part of the beauty and pitfalls of online communication

[allthumbs]

One could always use 'spell check', it's a great feature to have.

[abell88]

One could always use 'spell check', it's a great feature to have.

Your write, its grate! 

[leahcim]

Is it just me or does anyone else find the spelling errors on this and other forums irritating?

No, I don't read the other forums

[allthumbs]

Your write, its grate! 

Grammar check is beneficial as well.

[lostinidlewonder]

I don't care about the spelling errors. And who is to say the more academic you are the more easily understandible you are. I dont think so! Some of the most brilliant minds lecture with "double negatives" You shouldn't try to not avoid this...
What the.. lol that is worse than spelling errors I reckon.

[brewtality]

I don't like spelling mistakes either, and try my best to avoid making them myself. It's just about being articulate. Furthermore, I hate seeing non-americans use their spelling. Lostinindlewonder, I once saw you write 'color' and it set my teeth on edge! I'm narky. Everywhere I see people spelling programme as program, ugh!

[leahcim]

Everywhere I see people spelling programme as program

Depends if they're talking about a computer program rather than a television programme.

For things like html and the syntax of some programming languages you'll find stuff like "color" is required, so it's generally something you get used to typing.

Lose and loose will probably soon require a long argument to convince folk which is which [and there'll be millions of search engine hits to back up each side]

Another common one is would've which people learn by listening to it and think they've been saying would of.

[gorbee natcase]

I prefere nice people to good spellers

[ahmedito]

I do my best, but English is not my native languaje, and its hard and annoying to try to get everything perfect.

I speak Arabic, Spanish and German, the first two much better than english. Internet is a global community, so be understanding if many of us have good ideas about our instrument/proffesion, but not enough command of the english languaje to express them clearly.

I particularly hate it when you are arguing/Debating with someone on the internet and the only valid point the manage to make is how you misspelled words or used bad grammar.

[Astyron]

The one thing we should remember when posting, regardless of if you're an adult or student, is that we are MODELS of good grammar and spelling for youth and non-English speakers.  Just as we model music on our instrument, so too should we model good grammar and spelling in our posts.  The trends of laziness when posting messages on the internet don't set good examples.  It may just be a trend, or easier, or funny, however, those of us that CAN use good grammar and spelling ought to.  We have a moral obligation to promote good language among the youth and help non-English speakers know what proper English is (beit American-English or British-English).

[rob47]

The one thing we should remember when posting, regardless of if you're an adult or student, is that we are MODELS of good grammar and spelling for youth and non-English speakers.  Just as we model music on our instrument, so too should we model good grammar and spelling in our posts.  The trends of laziness when posting messages on the internet don't set good examples.  It may just be a trend, or easier, or funny, however, those of us that CAN use good grammar and spelling ought to.  We have a moral obligation to promote good language among the youth and help non-English speakers know what proper English is (beit American-English or British-English).

"beit" is not a word. Stop settting a bad example.

[cfortunato]

Putt knot yore trussed inn spill chequers.

[Astyron]

Rob, don't be a jerk.  And people wonder why I don't bother to post here or on other boards.  The message was simple and common sense and you just had to kick in a worthless rip.

[rob47]

I'm sorry for being a jerk.

[will]

I prefere nice people to good spellers

Same here. But good spelling nice people are the ultimate goodies.

[cora]

With respect to foreigners, it's easy to tell that English is not their first language. Of course, I don't hold that against them. And anybody can make one error in a posting. What is annoying is when people write many words incorrectly. They don't respect their readers.

Say, for instance, if I had written readerz by mistake. The s is close to the z on the keyboard. Only a boor would fail to delete the z and replace it with an s.

[sonatainfsharp]

I used to get very HUNG UP on this, too, but not any more; I have far more important things to worry about.

However, I do get upset about a few random things, such as the correct phrase is "I couldN'T care less." Then again, that isn't a spelling issue; that is a usage issue.

[allthumbs]

The one thing we should remember when posting, regardless of if you're an adult or student, is that we are MODELS of good grammar and spelling for youth and non-English speakers.  Just as we model music on our instrument, so too should we model good grammar and spelling in our posts.  The trends of laziness when posting messages on the internet don't set good examples.  It may just be a trend, or easier, or funny, however, those of us that CAN use good grammar and spelling ought to.  We have a moral obligation to promote good language among the youth and help non-English speakers know what proper English is (beit American-English or British-English).

I agree 100%.

"beit" is not a word. Stop settting a bad example.

No, but ‘albeit’ is, which is what Astyron meant.


Cheers

allthumbs

[leahcim]

I agree 100%.

I would, if you removed all the implications in it that suggested bad spelling and grammar are something to do with being young or foreign in this context.

I wouldn't hold much hope that avoiding spilling mitaskes like what some do will have much effect either...

[rob47]

I agree 100%.

No, but ‘albeit’ is, which is what Astyron meant.


Cheers

allthumbs

Cheers to you allthumbs.

But "albeit" would make no sense if that were the intended word.  Think about what albeit means. It's kind of like..."although". You wouldn't say:

"We have a moral obligation to promote good language among the youth and help non-English speakers know what proper English is (although American-English or British-English)."

would you?

[allthumbs]

Cheers to you allthumbs.

But "albeit" would make no sense if that were the intended word.  Think about what albeit means. It's kind of like..."although". You wouldn't say:

"We have a moral obligation to promote good language among the youth and help non-English speakers know what proper English is (although American-English or British-English)."

would you?

Close, it means 'even though' more precisely.

So, I think the word 'albeit' would still be appropriate here. I think Astyron meant to say that
"...and help non-English speakers know what proper English is (even though  American-English or British-English) is being used. (my words)


What do you think?


albeit

al·be·it [àwl b? it] conjunction
even though: used to add information that is different to what you have already said
• a difficult, albeit rewarding job

[14th century. Formed from  ALL +  BE +  IT, meaning literally “all though it may be.”]

Encarta® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1999,2000 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.


Cheers

allthumbs

[allthumbs]

I would, if you removed all the implications in it that suggested bad spelling and grammar are something to do with being young or foreign in this context.

I wouldn't hold much hope that avoiding spilling mitaskes like what some do will have much effect either...

Actually, no one has made any implied suggestions at all. It is understood by most that if English is not your first language, mistakes in grammar and spelling are inevitable. Hell, it's hard enough for those who only speak the language to always write and speak error free.

I just agree that if one knows how to speak any language correctly, they should do so, lest we lose the ability as a society in the future.

Cheers

allthumbs

[abell88]

I assumed "beit" was simply "be it" misstyped -- the subjunctive, similar to "be he live or be he dead, I'll grind his bones to make my bread."

[zheer]

Spleling lelas. Waz Dat.

[leahcim]

Actually, no one has made any implied suggestions at all. It is understood by most that if English is not your first language, mistakes in grammar and spelling are inevitable. Hell, it's hard enough for those who only speak the language to always write and speak error free.

Maybe, but funnily enough, in the quark and the jaguar Murray Gell-Mann makes the exact opposite point. He notes that there are foreigners who are more obvious by the fact that their grammar is "perfect" rather than because it isn't. I agree with him.

Although the reverse is true as you note above. I don't think they [in this context, as I said, which meant "this forum" if it wasn't clear] are particulary different from the native English who can't either. Few have come here to learn English afaict. So I can't see that as a valid reason. If they have, they'd be better finding somewhere else to learn from, until they have the ability to tell good from bad.

At some point they are going to have to read, listen and comprehend both, at least to communicate with a lot of native English communities [or if you prefer, foreigners and kids that have read the wrong posts ]

Similary there were several references to youngsters but there are plenty of old people who can't spell and don't use correct grammar. Again, in this context, there are few here, if any, at an age where their age is the reason for their bad grammar and spelling. Nor are they so young that we need to worry about our spelling and grammar for their benefit. Although I'd concur in some contexts that'd be a good idea, I have a 6yo if I want to worry about teaching children

So unless the OP is both foreign and young and wishes to learn and thus speaks for his own desires rather than from his own prejudices about who can and can't write properly,, I see implications in that post, even if you don't

Plus the point of that post seemed to be that if you can do it then you should. Which implies that there are some who can but don't. [If this implication wasn't there, it would have been pretty pointless to demand it, since otherwise, everyone who can must already be doing it anyway. Although I haven't spotted who they are yet ]

I concur that some don't do it out of choice rather than ability, and some of those are neither English nor old. If they should do it, then I think you would need better reasons than those given. Because it would be telling them to write properly so that they can teach themselves something they can already do

[pianowelsh]

I usually type at circa 100 miles an hour as i am trying to do something else simultaneously so VERY sorry if that inconveniences any of you I dont intend to be an irritant!!  It should be borne in mind however that the Art of teaching is communication.  This is not necessarily written communication, some teachers like to talk others scribble essays on students work or in their hand books. I have had teachers who have been great communicators who have never written anything in my notebook OR said a word during my lesson (literally) they have just played and demonstrated or communicated with a gesture or by touch  SO words really can be highly overrated!

[bwv772]

Is it just me or does anyone else find the spelling errors on this and other forums irritating?

Yes I do!! I won't read beyond two lines if I see "u r a great player", "u r kidding" and so on.

Also, I won't read past one line if someone refers to a piece as "a song", "I'm learning this Scarlatti song, I'm having difficulty with this Rachmaninov song".

It just irritates the h*ll out of me.

There.

Said it.

Thank you for allowing me to vent.

[Kassaa]

Yes I do!! I won't read beyond two lines if I see "u r a great player", "u r kidding" and so on.

Also, I won't read past one line if someone refers to a piece as "a song", "I'm learning this Scarlatti song, I'm having difficulty with this Rachmaninov song".

It just irritates the h*ll out of me.

There.

Said it.

Thank you for allowing me to vent.

That aren't spelling errors that's modern use of the language, which I however, completely dispise.

But most spelling errors aren't because people are lazy, people can be dyslectic, English isn't everyone's native language (Like me, I'm Dutch) etc.

[pianowelsh]

The content is the most important thing.   A teacher/communicator can get right to the heart of what someone is trying to express however they express it or at least help them to express themselves more clearly.  I never find constant criticism of peoples best efforts helpfull or in any way productive, quite the opposite.  People can be so pedantic sometimes.  i am in total admiration for all the international folks on this forum who make the effort to share their knowledge and experience in a language that they are sometimes not very confident in.  Bravo a Tutti!

[Astyron]

Wow...  Some of you spent a great deal of energy debating what word I meant to use.  I meant to type "be it", not "albeit."  Whoever was taking bets on what I meant can do the pay off now.  I just missed the space bar. 

[rimv2]

With respect to foreigners, it's easy to tell that English is not their first language. Of course, I don't hold that against them. And anybody can make one error in a posting. What is annoying is when people write many words incorrectly. They don't respect their readers.

Say, for instance, if I had written readerz by mistake. The s is close to the z on the keyboard. Only a boor would fail to delete the z and replace it with an s.

You meant boar, right?

I used to get very HUNG UP on this, too, but not any more; I have far more important things to worry about.

However, I do get upset about a few random things, such as the correct phrase is "I couldN'T care less." Then again, that isn't a spelling issue; that is a usage issue.

 

Wow... Some of you spent a great deal of energy debating what word I meant to use. I meant to type "be it", not "albeit." Whoever was taking bets on what I meant can do the pay off now. I just missed the space bar.

Cutting and pasting from dictionary.com requires a lot of energy.

Maybe, but funnily enough, in the quark and the jaguar Murray Gell-Mann makes the exact opposite point. He notes that there are foreigners who are more obvious by the fact that their grammar is "perfect" rather than because it isn't. I agree with him.

Ahm not the only one to notice this phenomenon?

Ah would lyk to hopefully instill some knowledge onto you pet peeved people about Engrish.

There is many different types of engrish all around the world. 'Dialects' as it would have it. There is no such thing as proper engrish, however, there is correct grammer to some extent! Truthfully the only difference between Proper engrish and not-so-proper engrish is class. People learn engrish from similar books; but the language spoken in everyday life is not wholey the language being learned.

EX:

Observe Florida. Some Hispanic students fail spanish. Some would think this trend weird. But they forget that english speaking students fail english. Also. speaking spanish learned in a book will have some Hispanic people looking at you funny.

 If it suited meh to do so, Ah could speak and type engrish with perfect grammer, spelling, and punctuation: The dialect ah learned growing up was ebonics (a strange term that came from god knows where). Ah also learned a little Jamaican engrish as well.

So, while ahm fully aware of the grammatical errors ah have made in the post (due to mah understanding of what correct grammer is believed to acceptedly be), many others who learn engrish are not.

They must be forgiven. As for meh...

Ah did it all just twist your nipples



One observation:

British English = Programme, Colour, Practise

American English = Program, Color, Practice

It's no wonder why people have trouble pronouncing words in our language.

[allthumbs]

Wow...  Some of you spent a great deal of energy debating what word I meant to use.  I meant to type "be it", not "albeit."  Whoever was taking bets on what I meant can do the pay off now.  I just missed the space bar. 

Oh well, I tried.

[I Love Xenakis]

floccinaucinihilipilification

[pianistimo]

sounds like an antibiotic.

[PaulNaud]

English is not my native language but I try to check the spelling in my dictionary. However, I think that syntax is more important than spelling.

[rimv2]

English is not my native language but I try to check the spelling in my dictionary. However, I think that syntax is more important than spelling.

Tell that to the *expletive deleted* who opened this topic

[jamie_liszt]

franxky i dnto carre

LOL

I dont have a problem with it

[arensky]

teB uoy tonnac erugif siht tuo. ahaH aroC s'ti delleps yltcefrep!   

[leahcim]

teB uoy tonnac erugif siht tuo. ahaH aroC s'ti delleps yltcefrep!   

Did Hannah say as Hannah did?