My roommate threw my dishes in the trash.

[cherub_rocker1979]

I've been washing my dishes right after I eat because I know he doesn't like dirty dishes being left in the sink, and I dont either.  He only uses paper plates and cups and only eats microwaved food.  Last night I made me a cup of coffee and I left the teaspoon that I used to stir my coffee in the sink; this morning when I got up I made me another cup of coffee and did the same thing.  When I got home from class this afternoon I found my  teaspoons in the trash.  One of my other roommates already asked him not to throw our dishes in the trash but he keeps doing it anyway. This roomate smokes marijuana in his room all the time, and yet we don't call the cops on him.  Can you guys give me some advice on dealing with my roommate?

[thalbergmad]

Find out where he keeps his dope and put that in the trash.

Then shoot him.

[klavierkonzerte]

or

you could wash your spoons
it's really annoying when you leave anything in the sink

[rob47]

say "For someone who smokes weed you are a pretty uptight b****"

[gilad]

he houldnt throw away your possesions full stop. tell him what you think about that, the guy sounds like a prick.

[abell88]

Have a meeting and set rules you can all live with.

[lau]

Just tell him to channel his flavors at you. He'll understand, trust me.

[rimv2]

I've been washing my dishes right after I eat because I know he doesn't like dirty dishes being left in the sink, and I dont either.  He only uses paper plates and cups and only eats microwaved food.  Last night I made me a cup of coffee and I left the teaspoon that I used to stir my coffee in the sink; this morning when I got up I made me another cup of coffee and did the same thing.  When I got home from class this afternoon I found my  teaspoons in the trash.  One of my other roommates already asked him not to throw our dishes in the trash but he keeps doing it anyway. This roomate smokes marijuana in his room all the time, and yet we don't call the cops on him.  Can you guys give me some advice on dealing with my roommate?

Maybe he just mistook the trash for the sink while he was blazin

no dishes - no spoons - no forks - microwaved food?

Whats in his closet?

If it's empty, you should be afraid

[cherub_rocker1979]

Maybe he just mistook the trash for the sink while he was blazin

no dishes - no spoons - no forks - microwaved food?

Whats in his closet?

If it's empty, you should be afraid

He uses disposable plastic forks and only buys frozen food that you microwave.

[pianistimo]

clearly, he favors disposable dishes and silverware and is quite perfectionistic about cleanliness, it sounds.  have him watch 'the odd couple' as an explaination of people's different levels of cleanliness?  throw spaghetti on the wall to see what happens. 

actually, after many years of learning to be a bit neater (since you can't find anything when you're not) - i tend to agree with the roommate.  if you 'clean as you go' - your best set for the next stage of your life (the one where you can find things).  also, it makes you feel really good to come out to a clean kitchen (no ants or vermin) in the morning.  it smells better, too.  (am wondering why the dishes were thrown out, since you said that you wash them - did you forget to put them away?)

[Jacey1973]

He uses disposable plastic forks and only buys frozen food that you microwave.

Only microwave food? He must be soo unhealthy, it's so processed, yuck  ! And plastic forks, paper plates? Geeez....how hard is it to wash up one plate/fork/knife/spoon after you've finshed eating, it takes all of....5 mins?

[cherub_rocker1979]

clearly, he favors disposable dishes and silverware and is quite perfectionistic about cleanliness, it sounds.  have him watch 'the odd couple' as an explaination of people's different levels of cleanliness?  throw spaghetti on the wall to see what happens. 

actually, after many years of learning to be a bit neater (since you can't find anything when you're not) - i tend to agree with the roommate.  if you 'clean as you go' - your best set for the next stage of your life (the one where you can find things).  also, it makes you feel really good to come out to a clean kitchen (no ants or vermin) in the morning.  it smells better, too.  (am wondering why the dishes were thrown out, since you said that you wash them - did you forget to put them away?)

I've been washing my dishes when I finish, it's just that I made some coffe later that night and then in the morning and I left the 2 spoons that I used for stirring because I was in a hurry and I figured that if I washed the 2 spoons when I got home from class it would be no big deal.  It's not like I left them in the sink for days.

[cherub_rocker1979]

clearly, he favors disposable dishes and silverware and is quite perfectionistic about cleanliness, it sounds.  have him watch 'the odd couple' as an explaination of people's different levels of cleanliness?  throw spaghetti on the wall to see what happens. 

actually, after many years of learning to be a bit neater (since you can't find anything when you're not) - i tend to agree with the roommate.  if you 'clean as you go' - your best set for the next stage of your life (the one where you can find things).  also, it makes you feel really good to come out to a clean kitchen (no ants or vermin) in the morning.  it smells better, too.  (am wondering why the dishes were thrown out, since you said that you wash them - did you forget to put them away?)

He's not really into cleanliness because when he prepares food on the counter he'll leave the counter dirty and one time he left a dead cockroach on the counter.  And there's always bad smells coming from his room.  He uses disposable dishes because he doesn't feel like washing dishes.  He doesn't like to make friends, he likes to make enemies.

[pianistimo]

now that my mom has come to visit, she's told me that with my own kids (so they don't become like your roommate - and be lazy) i should never say 'dinner's ready' but i should say 'time to make dinner.' 

am not sure what to do about my son and daughter's room.  they used to be fairly neat , but now with one in high school and the other in jr. high - and the several times that i go in per week and pick up the clothes and sometimes vaccum     i guess i am doing too much.  now with a broken leg, they kinda let things pile until i say 'please take the laundry down' or 'please vaccum.'

is there a secret to all this?  responsible kids?  my mom says that my four year old has a chance.  she said, 'in the olden days ....'


*at least you can take pride that the cockroach on the counter was not assigned to the roommate and left there - but quickly discarded by a person of leadership qualities and the counter wiped off.  i mean, that's what the army is all about - but who wants to go there right now. 

[leahcim]

I've been washing my dishes right after I eat because I know he doesn't like dirty dishes being left in the sink, and I dont either.  He only uses paper plates and cups and only eats microwaved food.  Last night I made me a cup of coffee and I left the teaspoon that I used to stir my coffee in the sink; this morning when I got up I made me another cup of coffee and did the same thing.  When I got home from class this afternoon I found my  teaspoons in the trash.  One of my other roommates already asked him not to throw our dishes in the trash but he keeps doing it anyway. This roomate smokes marijuana in his room all the time, and yet we don't call the cops on him.  Can you guys give me some advice on dealing with my roommate?

Draw up a rota for washing the dishes etc with all roommates and yourself. Don't accept excuses about such and such doesn't eat cheese and that's harder to clean or so and so uses paper plates. Similary, don't make your own excuses w.r.t something else on the rota. [Someone has to empty the bin and he fills that quicker, so it balances]

For all the rooms / areas where you're sharing the space, share the space and share the chores. Don't try the "That's my bit of dust there so I'll dust that." "That's my piece of jam from the knife" and try to clean around each other. It won't work as you've seen. If someone is more messy, be as messy on his / her turn to clean if it makes you feel better, they might even get the message.

Get agreement to it, especially w.r.t the consequences of not following it [like perhaps, ultimately the person agrees to leave etc] all sign it, and follow it.

He'll probably move out.

If not, you could try one of the tried and trusted violent, spiteful, malicious, revenge approaches instead. Which don't really need spelling out or advocating. Or find somewhere else to live.

[whynot]

You absolutely need to move out.  Your roomie is doing illegal drugs, and probably much harder stuff than marijuana, guessing from the behavior and the bad smells.  This is stashed in YOUR apartment.  Do you want to go to jail because of this person, or at least get arrested while it's sorted out?  The person sounds seriously disturbed.  A grownup who can't make his own food?  Doesn't own a bowl and spoon?  Throws away other people's non-disposable belongings?  Leaves huge dead insects on kitchen counter, letting his own food touch the same space?  If he is permanently stoned, house rules and various agreements won't help you.  If he's as troubled as he sounds, same thing.  Don't even try to kick him out, because he won't go.  Just find another place with the other roomie.  If you're not supposed to leave because of a lease, tell the landlord you're leaving because of the drugs, and that your ATTORNEY advised you to get out.  Or ask the landlord to come up and "fix" something (tell him about the drugs) and make sure he finds the stuff, then he could kick out the bad roomie for you.  But evicting people is really difficult and takes a long time.  You should just leave. 

Good luck!     

[leahcim]

You absolutely need to move out.  Your roomie is doing illegal drugs, and probably much harder stuff than marijuana, guessing from the behavior and the bad smells.  This is stashed in YOUR apartment.  Do you want to go to jail because of this person, or at least get arrested while it's sorted out?  The person sounds seriously disturbed.  A grownup who can't make his own food?  Doesn't own a bowl and spoon?  Throws away other people's non-disposable belongings?  Leaves huge dead insects on kitchen counter, letting his own food touch the same space?  If he is permanently stoned, house rules and various agreements won't help you.  If he's as troubled as he sounds, same thing.  Don't even try to kick him out, because he won't go.  Just find another place with the other roomie.  If you're not supposed to leave because of a lease, tell the landlord you're leaving because of the drugs, and that your ATTORNEY advised you to get out.  Or ask the landlord to come up and "fix" something (tell him about the drugs) and make sure he finds the stuff, then he could kick out the bad roomie for you.  But evicting people is really difficult and takes a long time.  You should just leave. 

Good luck!     

Hmm. I think you need to read between the lines a little. These things are usually tit-for-tat and we're reading one side. Perhaps look at the drugs from a factual pov rather than the media hysteria too. Although as you point out they are illegal.

The kind of petty behaviour being described between people sharing living accommodation isn't a sign of hard drug use nor of a disturbed mind, it's quite typical even amongst the otherwise perfectly sane and probably more a sign that they haven't discussed their gripes and come to an arrangement.

A student living on junk food isn't particular unusual either.

How did the cockroach belong to the other flatmate, was it his pet? A dead insect in the kitchen is afaict in a kitchen shared by all. That's part of the problem, the idea that the kitchen is like an amd64 processor where each person (process) gets exclusive use for a timeslice after which it must be left in a pristine condition,  rather than treating it as an area they all take responsibility for cleaning and share together. Unless you complete the analogy and get an adult (Operating system) to arbitrate and tell each of you how to behave.

I imagine from his pov he'd post similar gripes and his own side of the story.

Perhaps you're right though, he may be better leaving and getting somewhere else - otoh if it's shared the same thing could happen.

[leahcim]

is there a secret to all this?  responsible kids?  my mom says that my four year old has a chance.  she said, 'in the olden days ....'

Nah, I think you'll just find that the age is a big bearing on behaviour at that age, even to the point where things that weren't a problem for years, which you might have thought would be, become one.

For example, every year we've had a pumpkin with a candle which my son has treated with respect and left alone. So you think he's sensible, "Hey, you read in the paper about kids messing with matches, but my 3-5yo is fine never had a problem..."

But this year he set fire to the living room messing with it, luckily without serious consequence [and it scared him enough that he'll respect it now]

Perhaps because, at 3, he took my word for everything, now he questions my wisdom occasionally. Which isn't a bad thing always. Perhaps the secret is in deciding which things deserve parental dictatorship and no quarter and which you can leave [either for the mistake to be made or simply to avoid effectively building a petty thing into something where the only issue is that he didn't do exactly what you said]

So, your 4yo might see helping mum in the kitchen etc as an adult thing and fun to do. My son certainly does help in the kitchen now enthusiastically, but grating cheese and drying pots etc aren't going to be that exciting forever

As he gets older he'll find different things are fun and chores will be chores.

I don't see a teenager with an untidy bedroom has much bearing on what they did when they were 4 nor necessarily what they'll be like when they are 24. Certainly not in a simple "if you do housework, you'll do housework..if you don't, you'll become lazy" way.

What they see and do might make a difference. So a girl might copy mum and pick up everything for her kids / husband etc when she's a mum even if her room is a mess when she's 14. Far from becoming lazy, she might have learnt to do everything but not until she's mum.

Although there are people who have had very strict, almost abusive upbringings that have affected them - for example kids abused at school if they make a spelling mistake, which happened a few decades ago, are on the internet feeling that pain when they see an incorrectly spelled word from someone else, and you'll see them shouting with the pain [and some learn that behaviour from them - there's a story about monkeys, bananas and a hosepipe to see why] There are people who are similary obsessively tidy for the same reason [and for other reasons too, like the irrational fear of the risk of germs that some have] but imo the ends don't justify the means even if their house is tidy.

[pianistimo]

yes.  i see those points of view as quite valid.  in fact, my mom (mum) did exactly that (until the semi-nervous breakdown).  she cleaned up after everyone.  now, with my broken leg, i can't - so the first few weeks really REALLY bothered me.  i'd throw something at the trash and miss.  because i am obsessive-compulsive, it's really hard to say 'oh, well.'  so the first time - i kept trying to think of ways to get close to the floor with a thigh high cast.  when, several days later, i gave up - it was like giving up on a part of myself.  just becoming an invalid.  now - trash doesn't bother me.  especially with this blind fold on.  i live in my own world now   ahahahahahah

ok  in my perfect world there's the beach, and this house that looks over it...and a big grand piano in the livingroom.  because i'm still halfway in reality - i'm rich from suing the park (am not going to, but did briefly flit through my mind) and can afford my own personal pianist.  he comes every afternoon (after the maid has cleaned all morning) and while i have my leg up on the couch - plays beautiful music for about an hour.  then, he leaves and my massage therapist comes.  that's another hour.  then, my private chef comes - and then my husband comes home to a clean house and dinner - and i'm in a really good mood.  just thinking about this puts me in a good mood.

there's a lot to be said for just letting go sometimes.  i never experienced this, so i guess it will something to learn from. 

[cherub_rocker1979]

Hmm. I think you need to read between the lines a little. These things are usually tit-for-tat and we're reading one side. Perhaps look at the drugs from a factual pov rather than the media hysteria too. Although as you point out they are illegal.

The kind of petty behaviour being described between people sharing living accommodation isn't a sign of hard drug use nor of a disturbed mind, it's quite typical even amongst the otherwise perfectly sane and probably more a sign that they haven't discussed their gripes and come to an arrangement.

A student living on junk food isn't particular unusual either.

How did the cockroach belong to the other flatmate, was it his pet? A dead insect in the kitchen is afaict in a kitchen shared by all. That's part of the problem, the idea that the kitchen is like an amd64 processor where each person (process) gets exclusive use for a timeslice after which it must be left in a pristine condition,  rather than treating it as an area they all take responsibility for cleaning and share together. Unless you complete the analogy and get an adult (Operating system) to arbitrate and tell each of you how to behave.

I imagine from his pov he'd post similar gripes and his own side of the story.

Perhaps you're right though, he may be better leaving and getting somewhere else - otoh if it's shared the same thing could happen.

We live on campus and I know he got kicked out of his previous dorm because he got into a fight with someone.  When he comes into the apartment we say hello to him and he doesn't want to say hello back, he walks in straight to his room usually talking about things like how he beat someone up using very profane language and stuff like that.  At the beginning of the year when we moved in, me and the other roommates tried to be friends with him but he'd rather be hard to get along with.  You guys have no idea how nice we've been to this guy.  He doesn't like to make friends, he likes to make enemies.

[leahcim]

Is this some college / uni idea of chucking people together by pulling names out of a hat or whatever? Or did you get to pick?

TBH it's not your problem and clearly not a problem you have the experience to deal with.

The college should have support system in place.

No doubt he has his own reasons for not being the cheery, happy smiling member of the household that you'd consider a friend, rather than an enemy, if he reacted in the way you expect he should when you're being nice.

Funnily enough, some people are like that. Perhaps he needs something other than people being nice because he does have a problem? Or mebbe he is just a #$%$. Or mebbe he's just like lots of stroppy, smelly, anti-social teenagers that stomp off to their rooms with a grunt at their parents.

But as you can see, if the guy does need help, a group is more likely to make him into an enemy. You're ganging up on him, considering getting him arrested and expanding the number of people you get to demonise him by posting to internet forums because of a teaspoon. Such that now folk are saying shoot him, saying he's addicted to hard drugs, disturbed etc, and talking about what a $#%$# he is too. That's nice is it? Sheesh, I hope I never lose one of your spoons or neglect to jump up and down with delight when you enter the room

If you can't talk to him, talk the college. He might be going through a nightmare and you've lost a teaspoon.

[whynot]

leahcim, since you quoted my message, I'll try to explain myself better.  The teaspoons were not thrown away by accident, nor were they the only dishes to have been thrown away.  This seems odd to me.  Actually, bizarre.  It is also extremely rude.  And since it was already a problem and has been discussed between the roommates more than once, the fact that it continues is now what I consider aggressive.

I don't have a personal hysteria over people using marijuana.  I didn't write about any dangers or ethics of its use.  Rather, I pointed out that, as we have agreed, it is illegal, and THAT could pose a huge problem for the other roomies.  I also brought up the possibility of stronger illegal drugs--I didn't say he was addicted to anything, or that this was a sure thing, but the bad smells from his room and his aggressive behavior are very typical warning signs, and it seems like something to look out for in this situation.  Since my post, there have been more behavioral problems mentioned, like beating up people.  This is very troubling.  It is also illegal.  And it pretty well begs the question of what is seriously wrong with this person:  something from the outside (drugs?) or something from the inside (emotional disturbance)?

Could I be wrong?  Sure, but these are very real possibilities.  This is not safe, desirable housing for a college student.  The student is clearly stating that this is a bad sitation, so I voted for leaving before even bigger problems arise.  I'm not unsympathetic to the idea you've raised that the difficult roommate might need help.  In fact, I'm entirely convinced that he does.  But that is a separate issue from whether or not cherub should stay.   

[cherub_rocker1979]

leahcim, since you quoted my message, I'll try to explain myself better.  The teaspoons were not thrown away by accident, nor were they the only dishes to have been thrown away.  This seems odd to me.  Actually, bizarre.  It is also extremely rude.  And since it was already a problem and has been discussed between the roommates more than once, the fact that it continues is now what I consider aggressive.

I don't have a personal hysteria over people using marijuana.  I didn't write about any dangers or ethics of its use.  Rather, I pointed out that, as we have agreed, it is illegal, and THAT could pose a huge problem for the other roomies.  I also brought up the possibility of stronger illegal drugs--I didn't say he was addicted to anything, or that this was a sure thing, but the bad smells from his room and his aggressive behavior are very typical warning signs, and it seems like something to look out for in this situation.  Since my post, there have been more behavioral problems mentioned, like beating up people.  This is very troubling.  It is also illegal.  And it pretty well begs the question of what is seriously wrong with this person:  something from the outside (drugs?) or something from the inside (emotional disturbance)?

Could I be wrong?  Sure, but these are very real possibilities.  This is not safe, desirable housing for a college student.  The student is clearly stating that this is a bad sitation, so I voted for leaving before even bigger problems arise.  I'm not unsympathetic to the idea you've raised that the difficult roommate might need help.  In fact, I'm entirely convinced that he does.  But that is a separate issue from whether or not cherub should stay.   

As a matter of fact one of my other roommates left a knife in the sink he used to make a sandwich with.  He left it there because he was very busy at the moment and was going to wash it as soon as he got back from a meeting.  When he came back the knife was in the trash. 

Now I'm not even going to leave anything because I know he's not willing to compromise at all with us about anything.  Who does he think he is to act like that?

I can't believe leahcim is defending him.  I understand if he gets annoyed even if we leave any little thing in the sink, but he can't be throwing other people's possessions in the trash.  I want to throw his stuff in the trash, but I'm not going to because that is just going to make bigger problems and because I am not like him.  We have tried talking to him several times but he says he's just going to do whatever he wants.

[zheer]

Haw does he feel about you playing the piano?

[gilad]

i'd say try move out and find a new apartment, you can also tell him it's him or you. maybe he'll leave, he's done it before. there are no guarantees that your next roommate will be much better though.

[cherub_rocker1979]

i'd say try move out and find a new apartment, you can also tell him it's him or you. maybe he'll leave, he's done it before. there are no guarantees that your next roommate will be much better though.

You are right, I know for a fact that many college students have similar problems with their roommates.  I know that I am not the only one in this kind of situation and I know that I can find ways to make the experience more pleasant.

I posted this here because I wanted to see if other people would see things the same way as me; not so that you can tell me to shoot my roommate or do other bad stuff to him.

[rc]

I posted this here because I wanted to see if other people would see things the same way as me

Throwing other peoples stuff in the garbage is unacceptable, of course... But if you are only interested in your perspective, leahcim probably has a point in that there are conditions in this guys life that you're unaware of, and you may be doing things that bother him that you don't know about...

I remember I once left dishes in the sink for nearly two weeks, I didn't even know about (was in the process of finding a new place, was avoiding groceries and therefore wasn't in the kitchen at all). Understandably the roommates got pissed about it, stewing each day they lay in the sink, speculating that I'm being disrespectful, thinking I'm some awful person. Meanwhile I'm going about my business, completely unaware anything was the matter. Before I move out I get this pissy letter in my room saying something along the lines of "cleaning my sh*t out of the kitchen", so I go clean what food of mine is left in the pantry, still unaware the dishes in the sink are mine. Then the roomies are convinced I'm a disrespectful jerk, clean the dishes, and snap on me while I'm on my way out. So I found out that I left dishes in the sink after they'd already cleaned it, told them it was a misunderstanding, but because they've already decided I'm a douchebag they figure I'm lying. Bridge burned. When at any point they could've told me and it would've been taken care of.

Point is, most problems with people living together arise out of communication issues, I could think of countless other examples. Either no comunnication, or miscommunication. Assuming things about the people you live with can cause trouble, find out for sure what the deal is.

Leahcim offers some good advice, if you're interested in solving the problem.

[leahcim]

I can't believe leahcim is defending him.  I understand if he gets annoyed even if we leave any little thing in the sink, but he can't be throwing other people's possessions in the trash

I'm not defending him. In fact, I don't understand nor condone him getting annoyed at cutlery in the sink and certainly not to discard it. If anything you are far more tolerant of his behaviour than I would be, I certainly wouldn't have got to the stage where I was fretting about an unwashed cup left overnight etc.

[If I'm honest, If I was in the situation I might well do a few of the things in retaliation, that, no matter how nice we are, we have the imagination to think of doing them, if nothing else. But I'm not there, so it's easier]

OTOH, I'm not going to attack him for you either. As I said before every story has 2 sides some have many and hearing one side twice or three times isn't the same thing.

From your first post it initially sounded like the kind of petty tit-for-tat behaviour "He didn't wash the cups" "He didn't wash the spoons" of people who share accommodation. Who often resort to doing dumb things like throwing things away etc that from the outside look like OTT behaviour. They make TV shows about neighbours doing the same thing here over the size of a tree or 2 cms of boundary. I suggested you sort that out between yourselves with a rota or whatever.

After reading more stuff about the situation posted after that, about him not saying hello to you etc and stomping off to his room, bravado about fights etc, I offered several other bits of advice. That wasn't defending him or his actions either. Again, they rely on him sorting out his problems rather than you altering your lifestyle to accommodate his unreasonable behaviour. The parts that are unreasonable of course, he doesn't have to say hello or smile on cue.

I am saying perhaps he has reasons for his behaviour. He's not on death row, so if I sound like a bleeding heart liberal suggesting you get someone [the college or whatever] to look at whether he has a problem that needs sorting I must apologise if that appeared to be ignoring the victims in this sorry saga that have lost cutlery.

He might be maliciously throwing away your cutlery purely to annoy you, but surely you can see there might be more to his behaviour than that?

If there is, and if you are as nice as you say, then why not be nice once more, not by saying "I'm nice because I didn't throw his cutlery away or call the police" but because you did something positive about it?

[cherub_rocker1979]

The person who left dishes for 2 weeks is an idiot, how could you not imagine that it would make your roommates angry?  I've never left dishes in the sink for more than a few hours.  How can my roommate be annoyed if we do everything he says, huh?  He doesn't want to accomodate us in anyway.  You guys are making me more angry than he is.  His problem is probably that he's a spoiled brat. 

To tell you the truth, I don't dislike him nearly as much as my other roommates.  They told me that they want to call the cops on him when he's using marijuana and I told them that I was not going to get involed.

[leahcim]

How can my roommate be annoyed if we do everything he says, huh???

Maybe for the same reason that you said "Can you guys give me some advice on dealing with my roommate?" and then got annoyed and angry when we did everything you asked and decided instead that you actually posted because "I'm not telling you guys my problems because I want you to fix them, I just want someone to relate to"

Perhaps you can relate to the words of this folically challenged child?

[rc]

The person who left dishes for 2 weeks is an idiot, how could you not imagine that it would make your roommates angry?  I've never left dishes in the sink for more than a few hours.  How can my roommate be annoyed if we do everything he says, huh?  He doesn't want to accomodate us in anyway.  You guys are making me more angry than he is.  His problem is probably that he's a spoiled brat. 

wow.

Read my post again, or maybe for the first time... You've missed the point. Here, so you won't get lost: https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,13952.msg150501.html#msg150501

hint: you'll understand more if you read it all.

You may be creating a lot of problems for yourself. I can see how you might be difficult to live with. Good luck.

[gorbee natcase]

If you just walk up and go crunch I'm sure it wont happen again