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Chopin Prelude #3 (Read 2969 times)

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Chopin Prelude #3
« on: November 15, 2005, 12:32:37 AM »
Any body got any tips on getting this lit-ol devil a tempo.

Particularly at the A major run. This part bites mah fingers off ;D
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #1 on: November 16, 2005, 05:34:05 AM »
Patience is a virtue 8)

(whatever that means)
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #2 on: November 17, 2005, 02:49:51 AM »
Ah is now experimenting with the chords attack.

Ahve also found that the problem is not in the fingers. They move as fast az a want them to. The problem is with the position of the hand.

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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #3 on: November 17, 2005, 04:47:37 AM »
Attempting to play without placing the thumb on the black keys seems fruitless
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #4 on: November 17, 2005, 07:06:48 AM »
Ah am now attempting to play this using the forearm as a guide and forcing mah fingers to follow 8)
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #5 on: November 20, 2005, 04:20:21 AM »
Attempting to use 2 instead of the thumb in the a major passage (or is it d starting on a)

Any suggestions!? 8)
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #6 on: November 20, 2005, 05:55:04 AM »
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #7 on: November 20, 2005, 06:29:08 AM »
Chord attack:

Left hand is broken into groups of  notes that can fit in the hand. These groups are played as chords. The chords are then gently bounced, then slurred. the move on to the next group.

You can play them stupid fast if you practice it right.



Just tried the 2 finger and it works well only if you are willing to try, but it puts an accent on the f# (even more so than the thumb initially did)
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #8 on: November 20, 2005, 06:34:29 AM »
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #9 on: November 20, 2005, 06:50:09 AM »
Gotcha.

 

Well, I did try, and I am just not convinced as to why this would be any better than the thumb ?  I mean, why not the thumb ?  Just because of some "rule" ?

Nah...just seemed to fit when ah tried it yesterday.

Perhaps mah lack of lefthand thumb control?  Ah am learning to 1-2 trill with it while holding 5 for scarlatti and ahve found that using the same light touch with the thumb in this passage makes it easier. However, ah cannot control this at will yet.

so the 2 came about because ah felt the thumb was too heavy at the time
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #10 on: November 20, 2005, 07:44:44 PM »
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #11 on: November 21, 2005, 06:56:32 PM »
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #12 on: November 21, 2005, 11:57:45 PM »
rimv2 (or anybody else  :)), what recordings have you listened to ?  I am currently listening to Samson Francois and also Martha Argerich (I also have Pollini, but haven't listened in a while).

Argerich is 2 seconds faster overall, but who knows where that is located, maybe just in the last chords (I haven't really payed attention to that).  What I do notice is that Francois is more articulate in his runs.  It is not that Argerich is sloppy, but just not as clear on every single note (maybe more pedal).

What have you decided regarding these runs as far as articulation is concerned ?  I think I prefer the more articulated sound, at this point.


Mayla  :)

Ah think the more articulated sound comes from changing the pedal half way through the  measure, or not you using it at all. It's kind of strange as a was thinking about this while ah was practicing it today and here now you bring it up.

Ah found it actually sounds better if you use a lot less pedal. One recording ah listened to was as the Argerch recording you described. The pianist was Garrick Ohlsson,  a chop comp winner. He used more pedal, and ah found his recording to less appealling to the ear than the one ah found of Jeanne-Marie Darre who seemed to pedal only the first beat of each measure. (and ah usually really like Ohlsson's playing)
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Re: Chopin Prelude #3
«Reply #13 on: December 30, 2005, 10:34:12 PM »
I started working on this one a week ago.  I assume you guys are probably done with it by now.

For now I'm using very little pedal, and no more than half pedal when I do, I'll probably add more when I've thought it out better.  What tempo do you like to use?  I've settled on 140 right now, I'm sure most people play it faster.  I've listened to Pollini and he uses some clever rubato, maybe I'll try some of that, most of the runs I can probably handle faster.