pedophiles

[stevie]

wierd topic to bring up, but i have seen documentaries about them, and i find them interesting.

of course i dont have my own children, so my views may be different to some(i am maybe more open to understanding how their minds work), but this seems to be a common psychological thing, and i suppose as natural as homosexuality.

what attracts them? the innocence? the psychological factors?, or is it an actual physical attraction....i think the former, as i saw in one documentary.

anyway, we read alot obout pedophiles that have done illegal things, but what about the many whom i assume have these desires and attractions but dont act upon them?

random topic, controversial subject, true.

[Kassaa]

In my Biology book there was a little part about pedophiles. It stated that pedophiles are physically] attracted by primary geslachtskenmerken (someone translate that word to English, as I don't know the translation), so no breasts, no hair etc.

About the non-misbehaving pedophiles: Imagine that you're attracted by everything around you, you want to have it, you want to touch it, but you're not allowed to. Pedophiles suffer from this feeling every day, every hour, every minute, every second.

I read about this once. Luckily I don't have the 'problem' myself, but from what I read it must be so difficult not to do what you want to do.

[zheer]

I find some women so attractive that i want to jump in bed with , but i dont i control my thoughts desires and action, so should pedophiles.

[Kassaa]

I find some women so attractive that i want to jump in bed with , but i dont i control my thoughts desires and action, so should pedophiles.

We always have to possibilty to pay some women for that, pedophiles can't.

[Jacey1973]

I read "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov this week - such a fantastic book! Where the central character (Humbert Humbert - in his 30s/40s?) falls for a 12 year old girl (Dolores Haze or "Lolita").

When i read the back of the book i thought what a weird sounding book - but it is so fascinating as you see the situation from Humbert's view - he is actually completely in love with this girl (he has mental problems, is a manipulative character) but ultimately i found myself really liking Humbert's character, despite the fact that he was ultimately a sick pedophile. He charms everyone around him, including the reader! I cried at the end of the book!

Anyone else read it/seen the films - i'm looking out for the film adaptations next.

[pianistimo]

sounds like a good way to get killed.  the rage of a father or mother in this country could be quite fierce.  in this matter, computer access to pornography is partly to blame.  if people would have more privacy and less interest in looking into the private lives of children, and others - they would not be thinking about it.  can you imagine how it was only 50-60 years ago.  much less problem.  people didn't have time.  girls may have married at 17-18 - but not 12 or 13.  that's just robbing the cradle.

seems like a cultural thing.  in some cultures, girls are seen as women at an earlier age.  it's just that they also have a lot more children.  a lot more pain (at a younger age).  and, no lasting childhood.  children who have been abused seem not to know and be angry about it until later. 

i think children should have as long a childhood, and as pleasant as possible.  most parents want this for their own children.  no possibility of sexual diseases or of pregnancy - or simply a wierd attachment to a person they would never choose as a mature adult.  and, from a christian standpoint - most christian parents want their children to marry one person and be with them for a lifetime.

[I Love Xenakis]

Comme, three things.


Firstly, please don't say it's as common as homosexuality.  That throws me and what is most likely a third of this piano board in with pedophiles XD

Secondly, you still haven't changed your signature.

And finally, does this have to do with francesca?



IMO, pedophiles are sick bastards, and the ones who don't rape their "lovers" are ones who manipulate the child and that's almost as bad to me.  There is no excuse for it, no matter how much you "love" the child.

[stevie]

again, i have to stress that i dont condone what a molester does, in fact i hate it as much as anyone, but i do have a kind of sympathy for the kind of psychological problems behind wanting to do such a thing.

and with regards to my comparison to homosexuality, i wasnt comparing it in terms of
'commonness', i was just comparing that to me....being attracted to a younger person isnt really any more 'sick' than being attracted to a person of your same sex.

and i agree with kassaa, there must be many who have to control themselves and not 'indulge' in their desires, credit and sympathy must be given to these people...i believe.

[Ruro]

I think you have to be completely ignorant to call a pedophile sick, unless this person has actually performed an action that is law breaking in there society, then that's where you can unleash the insults.

Pedophiles can't help being a pedophile, like a gay person can't help being gay, I believe it's to do with who they mingle with and there past experiences from there childhood to adolescence etc.

I dunno how your supposed to 'fix' a pedophile, frankly I have never heard of someone changing someones sexual attraction through specific methods, let alone indirectly really. That said, your probably gonna hate them when it isn't even there fault for being who they turned out to be. Apparently quite a number of pedophiles were molested in there childhood...

Who's to blame? The original twat who started it off in friggin 1783 or whatever (Fyi, that year is random)

Further more, not all pedophiles just want to abuse children, they are actually interested in relationships and so forth. Yes, still doesn't make it right, but not all of them are craving for the touch of a child.

I heard this stuff from a Pedophile Forum, perfectly legal content and everything, although I won't be posting a link for those interested, since the greifers are just waiting for someone else to torment.

What a depressing world. When i think about it, I never understand why bullies bully

[rob47]

Ruro are you a member of NAMBLA?

and I don't mean the National Association of Marlon Brando Look-Alikes

[Ruro]

lol, what is NAMBLA? Dunno why I'm asking that, I will wikipedia it...

Ah ha, very interesting how it just tenders to one sex and not both O_o Half the organisation size = Half the paperwork...

Lazy beggers!

Anyway, no I'm not, lol, I live in the UK for a start as well! Only thing I'm apart of is the Local Table Tennis club, even then, I don't play for a team

I just think about alot of things, I like to find my own answers, and what I stated is mine! MINE!

EDIT: I guess I should have read further, I think it actually caters to both sexes... they need to fix there Society title :/

[perfect_pitch]

I think you have to be completely ignorant to call a pedophile sick, unless this person has actually performed an action that is law breaking in there society, then that's where you can unleash the insults.

EXCUSE ME??? IT'S UNNATURAL!!!! There is something wrong with them... thats why they need psychological help.... thats what psychiatrists are for.

[Tash]

Who's to blame? The original twat who started it off in friggin 1783 or whatever (Fyi, that year is random)

for some random information, there is evidence to suggest that the julio-claudian emporer nero would have young boys running around naked in his garden and would get them to come and bit his skin- calling them his little minnows or something- and that's off in the first century AD so it's been around for a while...

[Ruro]

IT'S UNNATURAL!!!!

Yet so many suffer the umm... "Disorder"? Gay men were originally considered unnatural in the old days, they are no longer!

In saying that, I don't mind gay men loving each other, they both can grasp WHAT is going on, a child cannot, so I repeat... I don't want relationships between adults and children forming either, and definately not sexual acts occuring.

There is something wrong with them

It is wrong to abuse children and so forth, but it's... just complicated to be attracted to them, therefore I do agree with...

They need psychological help

I think if you can change them, and they wish to participate in such a process, then by all means, make it so. But for those that don't, then... well, it get's very complicated, and I can't give an answer on that one that can be realised.

for some random information, there is evidence to suggest that the julio-claudian emporer nero would have young boys running around naked in his garden and would get them to come and bit his skin- calling them his little minnows or something- and that's off in the first century AD so it's been around for a while...

When I went for a day-trip to Egypt, I heard the same about another Egyption Pharaoh, and there was even a real statue from those times representing a naked boy sitting on the pharoah, and apparently there is more evidence surrounding it O_o Thankyou for sharing that information, and jogging my memory ^_^
Btw, Egypt is great! Just don't expect to explore about the Pyramids like in "The Mummy" movies...

And btw perfect_pitch, I still stand by what I said, if they don't commit the crimes, then I ain't gonna have anything against them!

[Tash]

yeah i can imagine there'd be some egyptian pharaoh like that. and it really just shows that nothing changes- it's really easy to parallel everything in today's society with something from the ancient civilisations. everything was pretty much always there and it's really not a huge revelation!

[rob47]

hahahah there actually is a NAMBLA!! I thought it was a South Park invention.

[Stolzing]

Firstly, please don't say it's as common as homosexuality.  That throws me and what is most likely a third of this piano board in with pedophiles XD

I have nothing agaisnt gays, but keep dreaming.  They say 1 out of 10 people are gay, but even that seems high to me.

[Bob]

How about this one...

https://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=21598

It's a different spin on things.

[stevie]

How about this one...

https://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=21598

It's a different spin on things.

haha, i have to admit, thats a hot sexy story

when i was 14 thats what i dreamed about happening, whats the problem? 

[rc]

sounds like a good way to get killed.  the rage of a father or mother in this country could be quite fierce.  in this matter, computer access to pornography is partly to blame.  if people would have more privacy and less interest in looking into the private lives of children, and others - they would not be thinking about it.  can you imagine how it was only 50-60 years ago.  much less problem.  people didn't have time.  girls may have married at 17-18 - but not 12 or 13.  that's just robbing the cradle.

Possibly it wasn't so publicised in the past. I've recently found out that the vast majority of child-abuse around where I live occurs in the tiny little rural communities. Probably been going on for a long time, but the first I've heard of it.

Whatever people fantasize about is their business, I don't care and I don't want to know. So long as it stays harmlessly away from reality. Man-made laws aside, it's pretty much accepted that any kind of sexual abuse will do some serious damage to a child. Don't damage children.

[JCarey]

I basically agree with what has generally been said. Though I have nothing against sexual relations between homosexuals, I do have something against sexual relations between adults and young children. Though I am not as offended by the idea of a legal adult in a relationship, sexual or otherwise, with a minor in their late teens (16-17, with parental permission of course) I do not agree with sexual contact involving young children. That is, no matter how you look at it, abuse. Young children (the kind pedophiles are generally interested in) are not able to understand the idea of that type of situation, and could be permanently damaged by it, perhaps even becoming pedophiles themselves. It isn't fair to put a person through that.

[rob47]

it's true. The right age to start having sex at is:




































17.

[JCarey]

it's true. The right age to start having sex at is:
17.

I never said it was "right", I simply said that I would be less offended by the idea of it.

I'm not saying it's wrong either. But one must take into account the laws of the country one lives in.

[Kassaa]

EXCUSE ME??? IT'S UNNATURAL!!!! There is something wrong with them... thats why they need psychological help.... thats what psychiatrists are for.

And what if heterosexuality (spelling?) was considered unnatural?

[maul]

There is no logical reason for why it would be considered unnatural so I don't get your point.

[zheer]

Did you know that apparently a large number if not all children who are just starting ti go thrugh pubortity have gay thoughts and desires. I might be wrong.

[gilad]

i have a tendancy to drive through red traffic lights and stop streets, drive on the opposite side of the road, i have a tendany to urinate on the table in my favourite restuarant, to try feel up every hot woman i see, to sell heroin at the highschool kids up the street, to kill people and chop them up in to tiny pieces, but first to have sex with them of course, then i eat the pieces.

my point is that all of the above are natural, what is beyond nature? if it possible it is natural.
my point is societies have norms and codes, we are allowed certain civil liberties and sacrifice others, that is part of being a citizen of a country or state.

to say that a person cant control what they do is a notion based on B.F Skinners behavioristic theory, it is simply not true. people are not 100% determined by their life experiences, they can intervene and exert control.

i feel sorry in deed for anyone that has fantasies about f***ing children, they sure as hell aren't making love to them. i dont feel sorry for anyone that willingly transgresses societal norms, particularly in a country like the USA or any western coutry where people are afforded as much freedom as they truthfully need to be functional.

i dont feel i need to mention the harm that is done to children by pedofiles, the power play in the "relationship" is more apt to that of a parent and their child, one with strength and one without.

[pianistimo]

most adults have the 'power' to protect a child.

[rob47]

I never said it was "right", I simply said that I would be less offended by the idea of it.

I'm not saying it's wrong either. But one must take into account the laws of the country one lives in.

Hahah I was just making another south park reference. It is something Chef said in the classic season 5 episode "Proper Condom Use"

"Its very simple children: the right time to start having sex is.........17."

[jas]

So is paedophilia considered to be some kind of affliction, then?

EXCUSE ME??? IT'S UNNATURAL!!!! There is something wrong with them... thats why they need psychological help.... thats what psychiatrists are for.

I think there's very little a human being can do, think or feel that isn't natural. It'd have to be unnaturally induced or something (drugs or something).

But that doesn't mean that nothing a human being can "naturally" do, think or feel is wrong. There's a difference between "unnatural" and "wrong." They don't necessarily equate to the same thing. Murder, for example. It's been around for millenia -- before medicine, before society, before law, before most things -- which would suggest it's a "natural" phenomen, but that doesn't make it ok or acceptable, even if it's now so common that no one bats an eyelid about it.

Children need looking after! They can't take care of themselves, they're undeveloped and they're innocent. There's just no justification or -- in any way that I could possible understand -- reason for a mature (or otherwise) adult having non-platonic feelings for them. And anyone who acts on it and harms a child in some way is sick, and just an awful human being who needs kept away from other people.

Teens are a slightly greyer area, I think. But just because a lot of teens like to appear grown-up and mature and independent, that doesn't mean they are. They need protecting from adults with dodgy intentions as much as any child.

Comparing them to homosexuals isn't fair. People today are (mostly) enlightened and open-minded enough to realise that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality. The day people decide paedophillia is okay is the day I'm leaving the planet.

Jas

[Kassaa]

Isn't having sex with children considered not-wrong in some cultures/tribes?

[rimv2]

Isn't having sex with children considered not-wrong in some cultures/tribes?

Um...no


Fu#@ing animals perhaps...



The problem is that people are too hung up on labels. A person who experiences pedophiliaic thoughts is no more a pedophile than a person who contemplates murder a murderer. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a dog, can you really call it a duck.

Ah started to come up with some intellectual stuff to say, but ah is tired and lazy.

[chopiabin]

Has anyone seen the movie Capturing the Friedmans (I think that's what it's called)? It's about a pedophile and his son who got accused and convicted of molesting tons of children during computer classes, even though there was overwhelming evidence in their defense. It's really interesting because it looks into the psychology behind the father's pedophilia and gives a fair portrayal of him.

The reason why I think pedophilia is horrible (when desires are fulfilled) is not because it's "wrong" to have those feelings, but because children, especially young ones, really don't have the capability to understand sexuality precsely because they haven't matured sexually. They are not really able to consent - it's the same reason why bestiality appalls me.

[jas]

They are not really able to consent - it's the same reason why bestiality appalls me.

Oops. I misread that bit. I thought you said "bestiality appeals to me."

Jas

[stevie]

haha, well theres just this thing about chimps that makes me...

[trunks]

Um . . . you mean "paedophiles"?

[mycrabface]

I find some women so attractive that i want to jump in bed with , but i dont i control my thoughts desires and action, so should pedophiles.

Well done, zheer!

[gruffalo]

Well done, zheer!

lol.

[jre58591]

hmm, i just discovered that the composer karol szymanowski (awesome composer) was a pedophile and used it as an influence in writing music, were there any other composer-pedophiles or pianist-pedophiles?

[donjuan]

Have any of you see Dateline NBC's "To Catch a Predator"?  I remember they had a male doctor show up to meet a 13 year old girl, and a male Rabbi show up to meet a 14 year old boy.  A lot of them were East Indians in the computer business.  but really, pedophiles could be anyone.

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