chopin etude 10/2

[jamie_liszt]

Hey

I am choosing some Chopin etudes that will improve my technique and finger independence, i have decided this would help my weak 4th and 5th fingers, and i will also take on 25/6 coz i got weak thirds!   I have looked over these etudes, listened to them and decided the next etude I will play is Chopin's 10/2 Etude, Before I start learning this piece I have a couple of questions.

 How should you begin to learn this, should you work on the chromatic right hand parts without the chord accompaniment or learn it slowly together from the beginning and gradually speed it up.

 I got the Cortot edition from another thread, is Cortots Exercises usefull for this piece, also i don't like the Cortot finguring for this piece, its a bit confusing! is it easier though ?

any other helpful tips that will make this easier.

[spirithorn]

Congratulations on taking on an exceptionally challenging Etude!  After trying a number of fingerings (I don't like the Cortot either), I finally settled on the Mikuli, which for me is very practical.  I practice RH alone, but not as much as hands together.  I believe it is important to coordinate the LH with the very difficult RH as early as possible.  While the LH is certainly not difficult technically, it is musically challenging to keep properly subordinated, balanced, etc.  And remember the "sempre legato" in the RH, and to keep the RH as relaxed as possible (not an easy task).
In the early days of practicing this Etude, I found myself (believe it or not) making the RH even more difficult than it actually is, by inadvertently holding the "chordal" part of the RH for longer than the 16th duration that is written.  Play each chord in the RH as it comes up, and then let it go as next note is sounded.
Just some random thoughts.  Good luck!

[jamie_liszt]

 I know this etude is very hard (i stayed away from 25/11) , i have chosen etudes of my weakness like 10/1 10/2  25/6 the thirds, even if i don't get them to performance level or up to speed i think i will still benefit from it! my 4th and 5th fingers suck, and my thirds could improve.

[fliszt]

PIECES!!! NOT SONGS!

it is very very unprofessional if you use the term songs instead of pieces! its very irritating for pianist when people call pieces songs. No mean to offend but you're corrected a few times before.

grtz

[jamie_liszt]

why is it that your posts never have anything to do with the actual topic, and i said before, IGNORE ME! god dammit.

[Motrax]

Your philosophy is a very good one. I've done the same thing with the thirds etude (I play different excercises for work on fingers 4 and 5), and I've benefitted tremendously from it. Although I never pulled 25-6 close to tempo, I'm much more comfortable with double notes than I used to be. I can't make specific suggestions about 10-2, as I've never played it, but for 25-6 be VERY careful with fingering. I changed my own fingering at least 4 times, and I'm still probably going to change it around more as I pick up the tempo. Be creative with sliding from black keys onto white keys with the same finger - that makes a few key spots much easier.

Good luck!

- M

[jamie_liszt]

 Exactly, i know that these etudes are difficult, and i may not get them up to speed but it will help me anyway, im not hoping to perform them in the near future so its ok.

 There is a trillion different fingering to use in 25/6, i just use the ones on the sheet music i have!