Just a random prediction about money

[m1469]

We won't use money anymore because it's worthlessness will finally become evident.  We don't even really use it anymore as it is, all we have are numbers on a computer screen.  And then we scan things that change numbers on other people's computer screens and they let our bank know and the bank's numbers change on their computer screen and so they change the numbers in our "account".  But, what the heck is an "account" anyway ?  It's not like we each have some room in the bank where there are pots of gold stored away for us.  All we have are numbers on a computer screen (I can't seem to stop saying that).


So, I am not after money, I am after numbers on a computer screen... but not really.



ps-  That's been bothering me for several years now, just had to get it out


 

[gorbee natcase]

I like the stuff that stinks of sweat and cocane that can be stacked in to wads and bulges in your pocket

[BoliverAllmon]

I like the stuff that stinks of sweat and cocane that can be stacked in to wads and bulges in your pocket

crack ***?

[pianistimo]

sounds like ray bradbury might be right about a few things.  maybe running off extra stress in 'auto jets' is farfetched - but, will firemen really become torches?  will they burn books.  and will government propaganda soon be put up on our LCD's? 

mayla, i think that it's too late to stop it.  i'm going to fight if they try to put a chip in me.  i don't want to be monitored.  i think i'll start learning how to live in the country.

my latest interest is also in how to SAVE money.  obviously if our money isn't worth anthing (which i think you are completely right!) we have to learn to live within our means so that we don't get far into debt.  maybe i'll learn to cut hair.  everytime i threated to help do this in the family - they all run away.  except the youngest.

[contrapunctus]

Money will disappear when the great human civilizations are destroyed. Then humans will revert back to the trade goods system until technology can be built back up to a level where money can be used. As long as there is human greed nothing will ever be free.

[m1469]

maybe i'll learn to cut hair.  everytime i threated to help do this in the family - they all run away.  except the youngest.

LOL... well, my poor guy friends from highschool.  he he.  I went through a definite phase of thinking I could cut hair.  Sometimes I was pretty great at it, and even did a major job on a girl once... but, one guy who had a crush on me (he he) would let me cut his hair somewhat regularly.  (he also once allowed me to put make up on him and paint his nails  ).  Well, one time I really messed it up    ooopsy dooopsy ... it was a very unpleasant haircut. 

[dinosaurtales]

ah yes.  The cashless society, where we are "paid" in "units".  It gets closer all the time.  Tip jars will suffer though.

[I Love Xenakis]

This is the dumbest thread I've ever read on this entire forum, and I've been a part of a LOT of really dumb threads.

[Torp]

My "paychecks" are currently "deposited" electronically into my bank "account."  I pay for most things with a credit card and then I pay off the credit card by transferring money out of my account into the credit card account.

Seems to me that the world you describe m1469 already exists...at least for me.  I received some cash for Christmas this year...wasn't quite sure what to do with it.

This is the dumbest thread I've ever read on this entire forum, and I've been a part of a LOT of really dumb threads.

I was thinking this was a pretty intelligent thread...at least until this comment.

[allchopin]

I guess this idea is akin to 'if a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?'
I think what we should be more worried about is: when I pay my taxes, is that money really going toward healthcare, education, and government debts..? 

[Torp]

I think what we should be more worried about is: when I pay my taxes, is that money really going toward healthcare, education, and government debts..? 

Probably completely depends on what country you're paying taxes to.

[BoliverAllmon]

here is an idea on saving money pianistimo. move out of california. That state is one of the highest taxed states.

[m1469]

My "paychecks" are currently "deposited" electronically into my bank "account."  I pay for most things with a credit card and then I pay off the credit card by transferring money out of my account into the credit card account.

Seems to me that the world you describe m1469 already exists...at least for me. 

Yes, I think it exists for quite a number of people and that number will only grow.  I guess I just find it funny that there is still so much value placed in the concept of "money".  It seems to be not much more than that, merely a concept.  But what really has the value ?

So I suppose, I am thinking that one day, there will no longer be any perceived value in money, actually nor conceptually.  But speaking widely spread, I suppose that is a ways off yet.



m1469

[thalbergmad]

here is an idea on saving money pianistimo. move out of california. That state is one of the highest taxed states.

Is that anything to do with Arnolds wages.

[Torp]

Money is nothing more than a way to facilitate exchange of goods and services.  It is emminently more practical than the barter system.

The whole basis of the US dollar system used to be based on the Gold Standard.  This standard, even itself, was based on the perceived value of Gold as a limited commodity.

Currencies throughout the world are now valued in relation to each other, as well as the stability of the holding government to back up that currency.  There may be some that are still tied to precious metals or some other commodity but I'm unaware of them.

For me, the "value" of money is directly related to what I have to give up in order to get it.  I trade my time at one thing so I can have a house to live in and food to eat, etc.  I've determined what I think is a reasonable amount of time to trade in any given week and I'm fortunate to be in a career that pays me fairly well for that trade.  I value my free time at a much higher rate than my work time.  Thus, if someone wants to take up my free time the price of that will be very high.

On the other hand, I play in a band and get paid for it.  To me this is free money.  I'd do it for nothing.  The fact I get paid for it too is pretty cool.

Money, as we know it, may eventually be replaced by some more efficient system of exchange.  The only way I could ever see that money, or some form of value designation, would ever become obsolete would be if there was an infinite supply of anything that anybody could ever want; and, therefore, no need to exchange anything in order to get it.

[pianistimo]

california doesn't have the highest taxes.  i moved to pennsylvania and am now convinced that it does.  of course, the highest wasted taxes has to go to california.  but, then again, there is corruption found everywhere in government that there are dishonest people. 

what i like about pennsylvania is that even though we seem to be paying more, we have more honest people (disregarding the latest scandal).  therefore the quality of services seems better here.  the schools, services in general.  people take time when they build homes here too.  if you are looking for a quality home that is actually square and has a real foundation - come here!  these people are born builders.  oh.  and if you are single - you can more likely find a nicer, reliable, maybe christian, hard working, honest person (i think) here.  i am so glad we moved - because i didn't want my daughter or son even dating most or any of the kids that went to school in california.  they're depressingly small minded about their futures, and too many are on drugs or just doing things they shouldn't.  here, parents are REALLY involved. 

thanks for a better understanding on the value of our currency, torp.  what happens to the gold when the gold standard isn't used as much? 

[m1469]

I would agree that it is more practical than the barter system.  Also, I would like to add to my last post that, I am not ready to give up my sense of needing money.  At least, I know there are things I need to survive, and currently money as we know it, is a perceived means of attaining these needs.

I suppose more than anything, I believe there will become a more efficient system of exchange.  That is not profound, I know, as evolution is always in progress.  I just think our concept will change.

Something interesting to me on a related subject is that, I personally do not view my trade as strictly time in and of itself.  I do have the need for money to purchase groceries and provide a roof over my head and I suppose this requires time in one respect. However, it is actually a blessing for me to be occupied in such a way that uses/requires certain qualities from my person.  Now, I have had "jobs" which I have decided not to keep.  But, I have always felt this way about my occupation in life and have used it as a guide in choosing a career.

It is a blessing to the worker to be needed and have the opportunity to express certain qualities that might not otherwise find a way to be expressed.  An example of this is often shown in men who have worked very hard for many years, and upon retirement, suddenly feel they are no longer useful as a person and then struggle greatly with that.   I know there is more to it than what I have already stated, but, feeling useful is a blessing.

Personally, I acutally feel good paying my bills every month.  Even that is a blessing, of sorts.  Along those lines, in my business, parents often wish to be able to provide their children with the opportunity to have a music education.  It is a blessing for them, in a sense, to have their work that they put into whatever it is that they do to earn money, to be put to use in a way that meets their child's need.  And I know that they can feel *good* about that when they show me the money  .

The concept of "trade" is different to me when I think of it like that.  Not that I always think of it like that.  Also, I think that no matter how infinite supplies may get, we will always be trading *something* to get them.   And personally, I don't just want everything to be "free" (not that I am ungrateful for and unaccepting of gifts  ).


m1469

[Torp]

thanks for a better understanding on the value of our currency, torp.  what happens to the gold when the gold standard isn't used as much? 

I have no idea what happened to the gold that was in place to support the currency tied to it.  Given my general cynical nature about our government, I would assume it was sold and the proceeds were somehow funneled to whoever the rich friends of the then-current president were.

Here's a web site you could check out if you're interested in more background.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard

The concept of "trade" is different to me when I think of it like that.

I couldn't agree with you more.  My statements are probably testement to the fact that I basically trade my time and not much else of me in my job.  I don't get much personal satisfaction out of my work so I demand a higher $$$ rate of compensation for it.  Obviously I need at least a bare minimum to cover my current lifestyle, but if I really enjoyed what I did and felt fulfilled and enriched doing it, my asking price would be much lower because I would be receiving so much more than just money from the trade.  That's probably at the heart of my comment about "free money."  Someone is actually paying me to do something I'd do whether I got any money out of it or not.

[pianistimo]

interesting you bring out the gold standard.  they had a documentary on pbs or the history channel over the holidays which my sister-in-law and i watched.  we saw what happened at west point,and how they make coins.  the precision is really something.  and how many steps it takes to make coins. it was interesting, too, to hear about antique coins and what makes them valuable. 

[Bob]

Here you go m1469.  There's more where this came from.

$100,000,000.

[m1469]

Here you go m1469.  There's more where this came from.

$100,000,000.

Oh, thank you Bob.  How much do I owe you for this ?  Will this cover it ?


$250,000,000.


*stuffs payment into Bob's account at Bank of a m1469 Fox *

[I Love Xenakis]

I was thinking this was a pretty intelligent thread...at least until this comment.

This thread is the epitome of pseudointellectualism.  It just annoys the *** out of me is all.

[dinosaurtales]

This is the dumbest thread I've ever read on this entire forum, and I've been a part of a LOT of really dumb threads.

I know.

[pianistimo]

i don't think it's dumb or pseudo intellectual.  i was joking at first because my son happened to be reading ray bradbury, butm1469is right.  our money is being compared to the Euro and very closely, i might add.  it's an astute position that we have less and less control of our money (and that self-employment is being penalized by large corporations that can afford the government imposed regulations). 

if you have a business (whether piano teaching, performing, etc)  you want to stay on top of where your money is going.  it's MUCH harder when you're self-employed to stay afloat.  learning from people about how they manage their finances and what they do to remain solvent will be pressing questions even in the next few years, i think.

my husband used to be self-employed and it was murder.  we had to keep track of car mileage, etc. etc. otherwise we wouldn't get the tax write-offs.  and the tax laws change every year - so you don't know from year to year unless you read about finance and are shrewd.

you may be in business or finance, i love xenakis, and know more than we do - but, share when you know something!  otherwise, it's the women out trying to save the money and the guys at the poker table spending it.

[gorbee natcase]

people like to see there money and cash is something they can hold in there hands, and something to show for there hard work. I would hate my money to be limmited to codes and numbers without paper on which to see it

[pianistimo]

me too!  in fact, the idea of a one world government is prophecied in the book of daniel.  now i love xenaxis may totally think i am truly off my rocker, but in comparing the book of daniel and revelation - you can see that 'the beast' power that is prophecied to keep arising (world governments that have come and gone) another one is supposed to appear.  and, the monetary system to go with it. 

the whole idea was started in babel, when nimrod wanted to assume God's power and place.  that was when God separated people's and languages and knew that it would only be a matter of time before they tried to have one language again.  so Babylonian, Greek, Roman, whatever, nowdays we have one language via computers (we can get instant translation).  knowledge speeds up - but so does war.

take iran for instance.  they are now taking their nuke stuff to russia if someone doesn't intervene.  this is bad bad.  alaska (my homestate) is very close to russia.  so are the islands in between.  history often repeats itself, with different factions each war.  what is unfortunate is that the innocent civilians who have nothing to do with fighting or wanting war - are caught in between. 

what's interesting to me is that we first may be reduced to victims monetarily - even though we have given so much to other countries.  suppose that just as rome fell - we could, too.  but, churchill never gave up and warned britan even though people laughed at him about germany.  now, we see trouble coming and have to be careful.  especially as christians.  we are told definately in the bible not to accept the 'mark of the beast.'  no matter how good it looks or what it promises.  people often debate over what that could possibly be - but it's simple.  anything that ties you to a world system of government.  Christ will return when they start blowing themselves to smithereens in the armageddon prophecied to be around the holy land. 

pray and watch that you are counted worthy 'to escape all these things.'  now why would Christ bother to say that?  is there going to be an escape?  of course.  i don't doubt God can do anything he pleases.  He protected noah from a flood, daniel from lions, paul from multiple beatings and jail sentence, the widow from famine (turning her oil into more flasks) - so whatever God has a mind to do - He does.  this time, the turnout of a world war will end gracefully, imo.  otherwise, how can we believe we have a merciful and trustworthy God (if his words don't come true soon regarding his own prophecy).  he says he can 'cut short' time.  perhaps our escape could be with either dying OR living.  when we are WITH God, it is an escape.  those who die without repentance have no chance to stand in the kingdom of God without relearning a lot of things.  one, swords will be turned into plowshares, and spears into pruning hooks.  nation will not lift up sword against nation.  neither shall there be war ANY MORE.

[leahcim]

nowdays we have one language via computers (we can get instant translation).

Err, but. let's see how google translates the phrase  "Yes, indeed. Visit google for the latest and best in translation technology"

Into Italian and back :-

"Yes, effectively google of call for the most delayed and the better thing in the technology than translation!"

Not bad, but nothing compared with George Bush's new translation tools he has donated to the UN to help translate and promote peace throughout the world.

"We, the people of America, would like to say a big hello to all the people in Italy"
translates into Italian as :

"Mamma mia! You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Hey you'd betta send  the money rapidamente, capice?"

[Siberian Husky]

nice prediction..but your missing the point...money isnt phasing out..money is evolving..with us...from pottery..to sea shells..to jewlery..to coins...to bills..to bank receipts and plastic cards....it will always change..

what wont change..is the IDEA of money..currency...wealth and ownership...this is a primitive idea that stuck with us from cave days to later car flying days