Mothers Against Noise

[ryguillian]

https://www.mothersagainstnoise.us/

This one speaks for itself (note the John Cage dis).

—Ryan

[Etude]

Stockhausen also gets mentioned somewhere...
Sad really.

[pita bread]

"During my research I have uncovered the true secrets of a master plan to enslave mankind thru this music."

Idiot.

[ahinton]

https://www.mothersagainstnoise.us/

This one speaks for itself (note the John Cage dis).

—Ryan

Indeed - and almost to the extent of encouraging one to wonder if April 1 has come early. No time (or need) for more; must get back to creating more sonic pollution...

Best,

Alistair

[leahcim]

Indeed - and almost to the extent of encouraging one to wonder if April 1 has come early.

https://www.mothersagainstnoise.org/ makes an interesting claim

[stormx]

<<One modern composer with direct links to these movements is Karlheinz Stockhausen who said "the 9-11 terrorist attacks were the greatest piece of art, ever.">>

Is this true??

Did Stockhausen said that??

[leahcim]

Is this true??

Did Stockhausen said that??

Allegedly, in German though. Carpet munching stuff from the sounds of it.
https://www.londonist.com/archives/2005/08/stockhausen_syn.php

[quantum]

"We must cleanse the earth of evil for the new world order to exist -degenerate ideas must be removed - or they will consume everyone into a pit of eternal suffering."

Kinda sounds reminicent of Hitler's idea of purification of the human race. 

The article on What is Noise Music seems to dabble into bits of history and take where it sees fit.  It only goes as far back as 1900, which to me seems as if the author is judging a book by reading only one paragraph.  With known music history going back to about 450 CE this author has a lot of homework to do before such claims are even remotely justifiable. 


...I digress.  I feel for those whose watches date indicators are stuck on April 1st.   

[Etude]

<<One modern composer with direct links to these movements is Karlheinz Stockhausen who said "the 9-11 terrorist attacks were the greatest piece of art, ever.">>

Is this true??

Did Stockhausen said that??

From what I've heard (read), it's just something that the press has managed to mangle.

https://www.stockhausen.org/message_from_karlheinz.html

[ahinton]

From what I've heard (read), it's just something that the press has managed to mangle.

https://www.stockhausen.org/message_from_karlheinz.html

I have read this before, just as I have read the various other sides of this entire unedifying saga, whatever the truths or otherwise behind it all may or may not be. Whatever Stockhausen may or may not have said, retracted, apologised for or railed at the misunderstanding of, this example would, if nothing else, at the very least appear to point up the fact that the composer's best option might just sometimes be to consider keeping his/her mouth shut and composing music instead of spouting forth words. We all know the kind of composers who go on and on, for example, about their work, the way they do it, why they do it, why they do what they do in the ways that they do it, what they were seeking to achieve by doing it in the ways that they did it, and so on and so off; some of us may even dimly recollect reading how, 85 years or so ago, Delius railed vociferously and with no shortage of suspicion against the kinds of music that seem to require verbal bolstering in order to justify its existence. As a composer myself, I have a horror of boring people silly by wittering on about my work in such ways - or at least I would do, had I either the will or the means whereby so to witter. Perhaps I bore people with other things that I say or write - in which case I apologise - but we composers should really concentrate on what we are supposed to be doing and, if we do, the risk that we may attract these kinds of journalistic and public responses to our alleged verbal statements will thereby be severely lessened, often to the benefit of all and sundry...

Best,

Alistair

[ted]

I can see only two valid points in the preamble on that site and they are pretty obvious.

Firstly, many young people are damaging their hearing with ridiculously loud music at pop concerts, nightclubs and so on. Noise deafness is an insidious and irreversible disorder and is going to be a high price young people will pay in future years.

Secondly, it would seem to me socially incumbent on the maker of music to ensure it does not disturb the peace of others who may not wish to hear it. I do not see it as being my social responsibility to endure all manner of music involuntarily, at home or in public. In this context the actual type of music is irrelevant.

Both these points I unhesitatingly agree with. However, to attempt to align certain sorts of music with good or evil, beauty or ugliness , is to usurp the creative and aesthetic rights of the individual. In art these must remain absolutely free if civilisation is to grow and not stand still.

[contrapunctus]

I have read this before, just as I have read the various other sides of this entire unedifying saga, whatever the truths or otherwise behind it all may or may not be. Whatever Stockhausen may or may not have said, retracted, apologised for or railed at the misunderstanding of, this example would, if nothing else, at the very least appear to point up the fact that the composer's best option might just sometimes be to consider keeping his/her mouth shut and composing music instead of spouting forth words. We all know the kind of composers who go on and on, for example, about their work, the way they do it, why they do it, why they do what they do in the ways that they do it, what they were seeking to achieve by doing it in the ways that they did it, and so on and so off; some of us may even dimly recollect reading how, 85 years or so ago, Delius railed vociferously and with no shortage of suspicion against the kinds of music that seem to require verbal bolstering in order to justify its existence. As a composer myself, I have a horror of boring people silly by wittering on about my work in such ways - or at least I would do, had I either the will or the means whereby so to witter. Perhaps I bore people with other things that I say or write - in which case I apologise - but we composers should really concentrate on what we are supposed to be doing and, if we do, the risk that we may attract these kinds of journalistic and public responses to our alleged verbal statements will thereby be severely lessened, often to the benefit of all and sundry...

Best,

Alistair

Are you some kind of attorney? You don't have to write all the time like you are writing a contract, or something like that. Concise-ness is good.

[leahcim]

I can see only two valid points in the preamble on that site and they are pretty obvious.

See reply #4, it's just a viral marketing campaign for a new CD coming out.

[ahinton]

Are you some kind of attorney? You don't have to write all the time like you are writing a contract, or something like that. Concise-ness is good.

No, I am not, nor have ever been, nor do I intend to become, a lawyer - although I would draw the line at any literal enaction of the well-known phrase "let's kill all the lawyers"; accordingly, I never write contracts, as I have quite enough trouble writing pieces.

Conciseness is indeed good, provided that it does not result in avoidance of issues. I think that whatever Stockhausen may actually have said and was reported as saying in this case seems to have been of sufficient interest to enough people that duly serious consideration of the circumstances is arguably more reasonable than glossing over them with brief, brusque comment. I apologise if my illustration of composers talking incessantly about their work seemed to miss the point for you here; I do agree that this kind of thing is unlikely to generate the kind of controversy that the Stockhausen 9/11 instance did, but I think that there may nevertheless be a general point here.

Some things can be expressed adequately in a few words; others need a few more.

Best,

Alistair

[Floristan]

Surely this website, Mothers Against Noise, is a joke or spoof site or stealth marketing site.  It sounds satirical to me.  IMO.

[lisztisforkids]

Priceless!  :