handwriting tells!!

[tds]

of course, I am talking about the handwriting ITSELF, more than the written message.

[Tash]

dude you had me convinced when you analysed mine- i'm STILL scared!! haha people this guy is a freak show him your handwriting and he's like i know your entire personality back to front it's really spooky....

[I Love Xenakis]

rt click-view image-magnify if you're on firefox

[donjuan]

Skepto writes in pink.... very fitting for his orientation.  There it is, it works! 

i think writing shows something about us.  Once in a lecture at uni, I was sitting next to this really anal retentive looking girl with her hair done up in a bun and with thick glasses.  Her writing was so neat it was like typewriter font.  I then look and see that she puts a ruler along the line she is writing to make sure all is perfectly straight.

[tds]

dude you had me convinced when you analysed mine- i'm STILL scared!! haha people this guy is a freak show him your handwriting and he's like i know your entire personality back to front it's really spooky....

haha...i am a freak!? u think? lol

ok, i saw skepto sent his writing sample. well done, skepto for the spontaneity. ideally, a sample should be at least a full page ( yes, written on an unlined paper ). and be examined in person, and not electronically, as pressure is not present in the latter. clarity issue can also rise when a sample is anything but the original.

i doubt that i will give report to any written samples uploaded here, unless asked by the sample owner ( and time permits me). so, i will keep quiet for a while. and those who want to send their handwriting sample just for others to see ( and comment ), please do so.

[leahcim]

and be examined in person

Does the conversation go "So, you met Phil, what's he like?" "I dunno, he didn't write anything"

I guess the body language / nodding helps cold reading. Or just give a bunch of stuff folk want to believe they are like, like horoscopes.

[tds]

Does the conversation go "So, you met Phil, what's he like?" "I dunno, he didn't write anything"

I guess the body language / nodding helps cold reading. Or just give a bunch of stuff folk want to believe they are like, like horoscopes.

sorry i wasnt very clear. what i meant by "be examined in person" was that the original sample ( neither a photo copy of the sample, nor an electronical display thingie ) needs to be handed in to and examined by the analyst. so, it has to be a "hands on" analysis to bring about a fair, justified report. whether or not the writer is present during the analysis bears no importance whatsoever.

btw, talking about cold readings.....hmm.... doesnt it often have its reward? and what is it? if not the plain cold objections? handwriting analysis is not a tea leaf reading, nor horoscopes. handwriting is an expressive movement. standing by the term "expressive", analysts hence do more a "warm" reading than otherwise. brainwriting in reality, how could handwriting be not revealing?

[leahcim]

btw, talking about cold readings.....hmm.... doesnt it often have its reward? and what is it?

Cash or credit card.

how could handwriting be not revealing?

By photocopying it or scanning it into a computer, apparantly

I'd give a more serious answer to that, but without an example of the kind of thing you claim it reveals and what specifically about it reveals that [like a reading for example] the statements you make about handwriting being expressive and revealing, and the question you ask above, although they are obviously true, they are meaningless in context.

Yes, handwriting is obviously expressive and obviously reveals things. But, evidently your claims are much more specific. For example, you claim not to consider the content of what is written, but that is expressive and often reveals much.

Similary, photocopying / scanning appears to destroy, at least in part, the expressive and revealing elements that you claim to use and thus prevents you from reading it. But the lines and squiggles are still expressive and revealing despite that.

[thalbergmad]

What do you make of the man who wrote this.

[pianistimo]

scary. 

legible handwriting is nice.  what i don't get - is doctor's scribbles.  i mean, how do the pharmacists read it.  guess it's a matter of perspective. 

from my perspective, neat handwriting is a matter of politeness/culture.  if you scribble too much, people can't make heads or tails.  typing is probably the way to go for me.  i write really nice cards, but if i get into pages and pages - it just becomes worse and worse.  i really stressed neat handwriting with my children, but perhaps it is not as important as many other things - as thalbergmad has aptly pointed out.  yes, i think it tells a little about your personality - but maybe not as much as what you write.

[leahcim]

legible handwriting is nice.  what i don't get - is doctor's scribbles.  i mean, how do the pharmacists read it.  guess it's a matter of perspective. 

Although it's often not neat, aiui it's not usually English either. Which, if you're looking for "3 times a day after meals" or similar amongst the scribble, like you'll read on the printed label, is why it's difficult to suss out what is actually written.

[tds]

Cash or credit card.

yeah, that too. cash, credit card, coffee chat, party, fight, and cold objections are all happening in a quack world.

By photocopying it or scanning it into a computer, apparantly

if you read more carefully, you'll get a better grasp of what i say, and you'll avoid meaningless jokes

"ideally, a sample should be at least a full page ( yes, written on an unlined paper ). and be examined in person, and not electronically,...." tds

please see the see first word of the above quote. it does say "ideally"

I'd give a more serious answer to that, but without an example of the kind of thing you claim it reveals and what specifically about it reveals that [like a reading for example] the statements you make about handwriting being expressive and revealing, and the question you ask above, although they are obviously true, they are meaningless in context.

i will discuss examples and specifics in the near future ( this is what i hoped to do when i first decided to post this poll ). ok, but before that, there are other things need clarification. read on..

Yes, handwriting is obviously expressive and obviously reveals things.

wow, there, you just made a stronger claim than i ever did. some folks here, including me, might be confused as to what are you trying to say/debate here ( lol, politely ). if its obvious to you that hw reveals things. please tell us what things does hw obviously reveals. thank you

But, evidently your claims are much more specific. For example, you claim not to consider the content of what is written, but that is expressive and often reveals much.

again, you have an issue with reading text carefully.

"of course, I am talking about the handwriting ITSELF, more than the written message."
tds

i never claim NOT to consider the content of what is written. i use the connective word "more" and not "NOT". see the difference? yes, handwriting analysts do take written message into consideration, BUT they do it with extra caution! sure, written message can reveal much, but not too rarely are they applied to mislead others. surprised? u shoulda known better, but welcome to the handwriting analysis world!

btw, i used all caps in the word "ITSELF" to help readers to understand what this poll is about.

Similary, photocopying / scanning appears to destroy, at least in part, the expressive and revealing elements that you claim to use and thus prevents you from reading it. But the lines and squiggles are still expressive and revealing despite that.

please, please, dear leachim, read text carefully(!)
"ideally, a sample should be at least a full page ( yes, written on an unlined paper ). and be examined in person, and not electronically, as pressure is not present in the latter. clarity issue can also rise when a sample is anything but the original."

clarity, authenticity, pressure ( depth of pressing pen ) are the issues with photocopying ( btw, we see nth generation of it ), scanning, etc. as i have mentioned, the pressure is absent in photocopy and other electronic displays. the sample that skepto sent makes a good example; its neither clear nor does it show pressure. original sample (with other ideal conditions being met) helps analysts to make a complete, fair report. anything missing reduces the chance to get such report. the worse the condition under which an analyst have to analyze a sample, the more incomplete ( possibly flawed ) report would it result in. so, there comes again the word "ideally".

 But the lines and squiggles are still expressive and revealing despite that.

whoaa, you sound like a handwriting analyst, there. and yeah, you are correct, lines and squiggles are expressive and revealing. do you wanna elaborate on it? *gives the floor to mr(s). leahcim*

[leahcim]

Gone.

[tds]

k, i see you still editing your message. GOOD! please do so, coz the last version of your message made me abit confused. lol....

"I know you said the handwriting itself is more than the written message earlier...." mr. leachim

AGAIN, please read (and quote or rephrase) carefully!! to tell you the truth, i am getting abit tired of giving you this kinda warning.

this is what i said "of course, I am talking about the handwriting ITSELF, more than the written message." No, i never said the handwriting itself IS more than the written message ( arrrghhhh ). being THE introductory message of this poll, i have to try to avoid confusion here, and make clear that we are talking about handwriting itself.

so, please, please, please, try to READ/QOUTE/REPHRASE carefully/faithfully. i am a busy person, and this is really not the kinda of debate anyone wants to experience.

[leahcim]

k, i see you still editing your message. GOOD! please do so, coz the last version of your message made me abit confused. lol....

"I know you said the handwriting itself is more than the written message earlier...." mr. leachim

AGAIN, please read (and quote or rephrase) carefully!! to tell you the truth, i am getting abit tired of giving you this kinda warning.

Ok, we're misunderstanding each other.

Let's go back to what I said, I said I'd give you a serious reply when you post something that says what you are doing and why it works. A reading or whatever else.

You said you will do that or intended to.

My only comment to that intention in the last post was, if you create a poll asking us whether we think something can be done or not, perhaps it'd make sense to say what that thing is. But no matter, I think considering it alongside horoscopes and tea-leaf reading, as we have, has put it in scope.

At which point we can [or not] worry about what you've done or not or what handwriting analysis is or isn't.

Ok?

All that I was discussing was your question that you asked me. Which seemed to be part of a claim that your analysis is better than tea leaf reading or horoscopes.

What you asked "How can it not be revealing?" and saying it was expressive movement.
failed to answer that imo, because I think handwriting is de facto expressive movement and revealing just by reading it.

If you are doing more than just reading it, then you'd need something more than pointing out attributes of handwriting that are self-evident, even if you don't consider them [or you do but less / more, "ITSELF" or whatever other semantics you wanna split hairs over]

But to see why I thought that, you'd have to understand what I was saying before. But don't sweat it, like I said, the only point at which it'll be worth debating or discussing handwriting analysis itself is if someone posts something of substance about it.

If it works then it won't look like a horoscope or tea leaf reading for one thing.

[tds]

My only comment to that intention in the last post was, if you create a poll asking us whether we think something can be done or not, perhaps it'd make sense to say what that thing is. But no matter, I think considering it alongside horoscopes and tea-leaf reading, as we have, has put it in scope.

interestingly, you havent said much there. in fact, you kind went around the roundabout, and doing that all by yourself ( lol, politely ). other people seem to have understood what this poll is all about. look at the options, dont they tell quite clearly? and people have started to vote. tell me, do you not understand what this poll is about? tash, pianisimmo, don juan understood ( so did many others, i believe ).

[tds]

this website ( https://www.writinganalysis.com/index.html ) might answer some of the questions you guys have in mind. to spin the discussion wheel, we can also discuss anything from there.

[leahcim]

interestingly, you havent said much there. in fact, you kind went around the roundabout, and doing that all by yourself ( lol, politely ). other people seem to have understood what this poll is all about.

That was in the post that now says "Gone" and was in response to a comment you made.

It had nothing to do with the other discussion about cold-reading, horoscopes and tea-leaf reading that you say goes "around the roundabout". So, if you didn't see what you just quoted stated before in anything I've posted, it's because it wasn't

Tash seems clear about what _you_ do, because you did it for her

Why should we know what it is? Do the details not matter?

Of course we have an idea that you study handwriting in some way.

But, at least one immediately posted handwriting in a form that got a big disclaimer rather than a reading from it.

So yeah, I know what handwriting analysis is per se, and in that generic sense I answered the poll and this will do :- https://www.morgenwelt.de/futureframe/000403-skeptics-graphology.htm

But for a longer discussion about it with someone who does it it'd make more sense to talk about what they claim they do and how rather than what we all know it is, wouldn't it?

[tds]

That was in the post that now says "Gone" and was in response to a comment you made.

It had nothing to do with the other discussion about cold-reading, horoscopes and tea-leaf reading that you say goes "around the roundabout". So, if you didn't see what you just quoted stated before in anything I've posted, it's because it wasn't

Tash seems clear about what _you_ do, because you did it for her

Why should we know what it is? Do the details not matter?

Of course we have an idea that you study handwriting in some way.

But, at least one immediately posted handwriting in a form that got a big disclaimer rather than a reading from it.

i dont know why, but i am laughing out loud now ( and hope you're doing the same ), but...anyway, i dont understand half the time you are talking about....(lol, politely).

ok, for others who have followed this discussion, please tell me whether or not you understand mr. leachim's messages. just type "i do" if you do, and " i dont" if otherwise.

So yeah, I know what handwriting analysis is per se, and in that generic sense I answered the poll and this will do :- https://www.morgenwelt.de/futureframe/000403-skeptics-graphology.htm

interestingly, none of the skeptic is willing to provide his/er sample to be analyzed....
that i dont understand, do you?

Tash seems clear about what _you_ do, because you did it for her

tash was not only clear about "what i do", but she testifies about the high accuracy of the analysis. now, the question: why do skeptics refrain from giving their samples, whereas i think its really the one way to find out for themselves first handedly whether handwriting can or can not tell about personality? anybody with me?

[leahcim]

i dont know why, but i am laughing out loud now ( and hope you're doing the same )

I am laughing, but I do know why. I doubt it's at the same thing though.

interestingly, none of the skeptic is willing to provide his/er sample to be analyzed....
that i dont understand, do you?

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from the link? It's an article written by one man talking about, amongst other things, controlled blind studies performed.

tash was not only clear about "what i do", but she testifies about the high accuracy of the analysis.

So, if I'm clear, you met Tash [in person?] and have seen her posts here, knew it was her handwriting, and you can tell her some things about her personality? Spooky indeed

Any chance of posting the handwriting and the reading and how one shows the other?

She said you are a "freak show" and "spooky", I don't see that is testifying that anything you claim you can tell from handwriting and why you can, is true or not.

[I Love Xenakis]

Actually, I am one of the skeptics but I posted my writing sample ^^

[tds]

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from the link? It's an article written by one man talking about, amongst other things, controlled blind studies performed.

there are always men writing antitheses of things, and there are always the other group of men writing the antitheses of previous antitheses-- yes, this thing keeps going as long as there is still time in the planet.how many times have you heard that eggs are good for you? and how many times have you heard otherwise?

anyway, my belief comes from a direct personal experience of over a decade; that of hw studies, and intimate observation of people whom i know and have come in close contact with and their handwriting.

what can be more assuring than receiving countless positive testimonies from those who have gotten their handwritten analyzed. for you information, i have helped my parents' business and saved a lot of bucks by helping them pick the right employees. i used handwriting analysis in the prescreening process to select honest, desirable, competent people for their business.

So, if I'm clear, you met Tash [in person?] and have seen her posts here, knew it was her handwriting, and you can tell her some things about her personality? Spooky indeed

huh? any way to rephrase that 'eheem... comment, or question, or whatever that might be?

Any chance of posting the handwriting and the reading and how one shows the other?

they were somewhere in this forum, prolly still are. do a search.

She said you are a "freak show" and "spooky", I don't see that is testifying that anything you claim you can tell from handwriting and why you can, is true or not.

prolly a bit of common sense helps here, mr. leahcim. would i have recommended everyone to a doctor if the doctor had misdiagnozed me, put me in wrong medication?

[tds]

Actually, I am one of the skeptics but I posted my writing sample ^^

hehe, thats coz skepto is special^^

heh,...i guess, what i meant by skeptics were those of the hardcore skeptics-- those who have written books, journals, etc

but, if you really want me to analyze yours, first you have to be kind and ask politely, so, i wont charge you. lol, only joking. no but yeah, you must send better sample than the one you sent. coz, you will probably send your sample electronically, and that way it will be less ideal of a sample to analyze, you are now encouraged to write full page on an blank paper, and do whatever you must do, so i'll see a highest quality sample on this end. AND most importanly i will analyze yours only when i have time. gotta wait till i have done my concert.

[leahcim]

you must send better sample than the one you sent. coz, you will probably send your sample electronically

Did you notice that the image he posted is actually larger than it appears in the post itself?

If not, that might be why you think it's not very good?

[leahcim]

they were somewhere in this forum, prolly still are. do a search.

prolly a bit of common sense helps here, mr. leahcim. would i have recommended everyone to a doctor if the doctor had misdiagnozed me, put me in wrong medication?

Well let's see, one example

On 16th August 2004 Tash posted to this forum

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,4146.0.html

ok this is really random it has become my latest challenge to become left handed! now i do show some signs of left-handedness already  cos i use scissors and can openers and throw darts with my left hand, and have just discovered that cutting bread and cheese and stuff is easier with my left hand. so i'm gonna move onto writing and stuff soon. so my question is do you think it's possible to completely switch hands??!!!

In https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,7953.msg82645.html#msg82645
posted on 14th April 2005

You wrote

tash is an introvert with often warm yet fluctuated heart/emotion. this kind of writing is usually written by a left hander. If s/he is not lefthanded, this individual shares the same characteristic with common left handers.

Tash's response to that April 2005 is

omg i'm quite agreeing with this! i'm kinda freaking out now, like when janice practically knew what i looked like! wow you're good i'd pay for that, but i'm too pov lol Wink
btw i'm right-handed (and a She!), but tend to do some things with my left hand, like cutting and throwing darts haha. i was meant to be left-handed!

i.e she repeats something that she'd said a year before amazed for some reason that anyone would know. As you say, if you use the search it can be very useful

Similarly, there's no surprise that she is artistic, and much of the rest says nothing at all, except, of course, we see how flattered she was to be told that she's highly intelligent. Do you get many people arguing flatly that they aren't?

[tds]

Well let's see, one example

On 16th August 2004 Tash posted to this forum

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,4146.0.html
In https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,7953.msg82645.html#msg82645
posted on 14th April 2005

You wrote

Tash's response to that April 2005 is

i.e she repeats something that she'd said a year before amazed for some reason that anyone would know. As you say, if you use the search it can be very useful

ah, i see, you are very good at searching things, mr. leahcim. not sure if you're gonna believe what i am gonna tell you now ( i kinda doubt it ). ok here it is: by the time i analyzed tash' handwriting, i had NO SLIGHTEST idea on who she was, nor what she did; i had no idea if tash was male or female, no idea about her age, no idea whatsoever about what she did/was doing. all of these facts, i happened to find out later. noticed i used the words "s/he" and "his/her" in the report? no, i didnt know if tash had been a he or she.

Do you get many people arguing flatly that they aren't?

no. it's nicely put, and it does kinda say it all. thank you

[tds]

Did you notice that the image he posted is actually larger than it appears in the post itself?

If not, that might be why you think it's not very good?

skepto did actually say something about magnifying the picture. but am not on firefox.

[leahcim]

skepto did actually say something about magnifying the picture. but am not on firefox.

You shouldn't need firefox to save the image and open it with paint or whatever.

[tds]

thanks, mr. leahcim. i did what you suggested, and i saw a bigger picture. however, picture is not at all of good quality.


ps. the ductus is certainly poor. skepto, please try to use different pen, and see if it shows different line quality. ( important: as usual, do write naturally, and spontaneously )

[Torp]

In answer to your question tds, I do.  Quite well most of the time.

Jef