Pure Violence

[pita bread]

So yeah... I'm pretty sick of all the serenity in my audition repertoire (Bach WTCII PF9, Beethoven Op. 90, Ravel Jeux d'eau, etc). The peaceful calm is quite irritating...

I need to learn some horrendously violent pieces.

I've been pondering the Barber Sonata and the Prokofiev 7th, but my hands are small and the Prokofiev is too trendy. Stuff like the Villa Lobos Rudepoema is great, but just too long for a single movement work. How about the Fantasia Baetica? I don't know much about that work 'cept that I like it.

If only I had the technique, then I'd take the Prokofiev Piano Concerto #2.

I'm going to start a violence rating system, much like the Moizt/speed/accuracy ratings on daSDC. 0-10, or possibly 11 if the occasion calls for it.

So, any suggestions?

[JCarey]

So yeah... I'm pretty sick of all the serenity in my audition repertoire (Bach WTCII PF9, Beethoven Op. 90, Ravel Jeux d'eau, etc). The peaceful calm is quite irritating...

I need to learn some horrendously violent pieces.

I've been pondering the Barber Sonata and the Prokofiev 7th, but my hands are small and the Prokofiev is too trendy. Stuff like the Villa Lobos Rudepoema is great, but just too long for a single movement work. How about the Fantasia Baetica? I don't know much about that work 'cept that I like it.

If only I had the technique, then I'd take the Prokofiev Piano Concerto #2.

I'm going to start a violence rating system, much like the Moizt/speed/accuracy ratings on daSDC. 0-10, or possibly 11 if the occasion calls for it.

So, any suggestions?

Peter, Peter, Peter... have you forgotten about the Crazy pregnant cat's Disco?

Well, assuming you can't get a group together for "that one part," perhaps you should try a piece by Ornstein like one of the sonatas? They are mostly very violent and impressive, and I assume that that is what you're looking for.

[pita bread]

Peter, Peter, Peter... have you forgotten about the Crazy pregnant cat's Disco?

I haven't actually, but I probably shouldn't jackhammer my piano...

[brahmsian]

Well, assuming you can't get a group together for "that one part," perhaps you should try a piece by Ornstein like one of the sonatas? They are mostly very violent and impressive, and I assume that that is what you're looking for.

That's exactly what I was going to suggest....

Ornstein- Sonatas, Danse Savauge, Suicide in an Airplane
Rzewski- Squall, Sideshow (from Squares)
Ligeti- Coloana Infinita

[JCarey]

I haven't actually, but I probably shouldn't jackhammer my piano...

True, and, as I had previously stated, you would probably need to hire other people to help you play the piece, in order to correctly execute the "orgy" section.

It's a shame, I think CMD would go over well with those evaluating you.

[stevie]

randomly let me see the score

[pita bread]

randomly let me see the score

Haha you are mentioned in the score.

[ted]

Something by Charles Ives ? "The Anti-Abolitionist Riots" perhaps ?

[ahinton]

randomly let me see the score

Without specifically wishing to curtail the expressive manner of contributors, might it not now be high time for a moratorium on the use of the rather absurdly meaningless word "randomly"?

Best,

Alistair

[pita bread]

I just thought of some more:

Bartok Sonata
Bartok Etudes Op. 18
Corigliano Etude Fantasie
Ginastera Sonatas #1, 2, 3
Stravinsky Firebird

[invictus]

Bartok

Allegro Barbaro

Problem solved

[stevie]

Without specifically wishing to curtail the expressive manner of contributors, might it not now be high time for a moratorium on the use of the rather absurdly meaningless word "randomly"?

Best,

Alistair

randomly, no

[ahinton]

randomly, no

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Best,

Alistair

[leahcim]

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Yes. I'd expect some to follow your example when you are asked to remove the verbosity and do exactly the opposite.

However, some may keep at the same rate if you're lucky.

[ahinton]

Yes. I'd expect some to follow your example when you are asked to remove the verbosity and do exactly the opposite.

However, some may keep at the same rate if you're lucky.

That would appear to be a "thought" about something else altogether.

I am unaware that anyone has specifically asked anyone else to "remove" anything here. In any case, you omit to clarify the number of words that must appear in a single post in order to qualify as "verbosity". I suggest that you have a look at the "Is there a God" thread on another part of this forum, which contains quite a few posts that are considerably longer than most, yet these have not come in for any "verbosity" comment from you or anyone else. This would appear to suggest that "verbosity", to you at least, is not merely a matter of numbers of written words but the identity of their writer. That said, however, I would also draw your attention again to the "Is there a God" thread where there are two posts from you containing, respectively, 398 and 447 words; whether or not these constitute "verbosity" is not for me to say...

Best,

Alistair

[leahcim]

You omit to clarify the number of words that must appear in a single post in order to qualify as "verbosity".

Since you've asked me, I'd say it's probably more a question of signal to noise ratio.

That said, my post didn't say that I thought your posts are too verbose.

If mine are, I guess I'm not the one asking folk to change the way they post. YMMV.

[ahinton]

Since you've asked me, I'd say it's probably more a question of signal to noise ratio.

That said, my post didn't say that I thought your posts are too verbose.

If mine are, I guess I'm not the one asking folk to change the way they post. YMMV.

No, I realise that your post did not specifically say this; no more am I saying that yours are.

So maybe we can now return, after that brief digresssion, to the question of whether the somewhat obscure and uncertain term "randomly" could be dispensed with...

Best,

Alistair

[leahcim]

So maybe we can now return, after that brief digresssion, to the question

Good idea. So, pure violence, do you get much experience of that in your line of work?

[g_s_223]

Find a fellow piano partner in crime, and learn 'The Rite of Spring' in Stravinsky's own piano duet arrangement.

You might end up throttling each other, but hey...

[ahinton]

Good idea. So, pure violence, do you get much experience of that in your line of work?

I see that you choose to be selective in quoting from me. The question to which I clearly proposed a return was over the use or otherwise of "randomly", whereas you have preferred to ignore the context of what I wrote and return to the subject of the thread - which, again, is fair enough as far as it goes, although it might have saved people having to read two or three previous posts to observe this.

In direct answer to your question here, however, I should point out that the thread subject (which, incidentally, I did not initiate) is specifically intended to relate to piano repertoire so, in the context of this thread, my answer would presumably have to be in the negative, as I am not a pianist.

Best,

Alistair

[JCarey]

randomly let me see the score

The piece includes the following instructions:

"In about 4 minutes, pound random clusters of notes in all registers of the keyboard. Aim
to break about 5 or 6 strings before finishing. At the very end, take a sledge hammer, and
smash the piano to pieces."

At the conclusion of the work, it is written that "you will have clearly demonstrated your FURY, and will officially be a true pregnant cat."

I'll share the music later... I think it might need some final revisions.

- John

[I Love Xenakis]

>=)


How is it that you're even considering something besides the Corigliano Etude Fantasy?

not to mention:

Prokofiev Sonata No. 6
Ligeti Etude "Desordre"
Ligeti Etude "Automne a Varsovie"
Danielpour Mardigras
Xenakis Evryali
Babadjanian Poem for Piano
Boulez Incises
Liszt Totentanz
Liszt Apres un Lecture du Dante
Antheil Sonate Sauvage
Rzewski Winnsboro Cotton Mill Blues
Rzewski Squares
Alkan Scherzo Focoso
Ravel Scarbo
Bartok Sonata Sz. 80
Ginastera Sonata No. 1
Ornstein Wind Man's Dance (Danse Sauvage)


And you said something about concerti?

Barber, Ginastera 1/2, Corigliano, Penderecki will blow them away.

[JCarey]

I think the suggestion of Ginastera is a good one. The 1st sonata is not only a great "violent" piece, but it also appears to be the ideal length of what Peter wants.

[ryguillian]

I am unaware that anyone has specifically asked anyone else to "remove" anything here. In any case, you omit to clarify the number of words that must appear in a single post in order to qualify as "verbosity". I suggest that you have a look at the "Is there a God" thread on another part of this forum, which contains quite a few posts that are considerably longer than most, yet these have not come in for any "verbosity" comment from you or anyone else. This would appear to suggest that "verbosity", to you at least, is not merely a matter of numbers of written words but the identity of their writer. That said, however, I would also draw your attention again to the "Is there a God" thread where there are two posts from you containing, respectively, 398 and 447 words; whether or not these constitute "verbosity" is not for me to say...

Alistair! I love you so much for promoting my thread!

—Ryan

P.S. You'll respond with something like: I was not in fact - indeed - promoting the thread to which you claim ownership; but rather, I was referencing it in an attempt to make a point of comparison in regards to another user's accusations about the verbosity of my messages ... blah blah blah blah ... but - in any case, in any topic? maybe? thread? whatever one might call it in this time - indeed, yes I am glad to "promote" your thread however small this audience might, in fact, in truth, be.

[ahinton]

Alistair! I love you so much for promoting my thread!

—Ryan

P.S. You'll respond with something like: I was not in fact - indeed - promoting the thread to which you claim ownership; but rather, I was referencing it in an attempt to make a point of comparison in regards to another user's accusations about the verbosity of my messages ... blah blah blah blah ... but - in any case, in any topic? maybe? thread? whatever one might call it in this time - indeed, yes I am glad to "promote" your thread however small this audience might, in fact, in truth, be.

I have not the sligthest idea what all this rubbish is supposed to mean, if anything at all - and I care less.

If it pleases you or anyone else to determine in advance what my, or anyone else's,  response to anything might be, then so be it.

As to the notion of "promoting" your thread or anyone else, this, too is entirely foreign to my intent, since I labour under the unfortunate delusion that threads on this and other fora are to be responded to with as much intelligence as any given respondent can muster, rather than to be "promoted" as you write here.

I make no suggstions as to who may or may not "claim" "ownership" of this thread; my view is a far simpoler one - which is that you started it and, I hope, sought intelligent responses to what you started, rather than that you sought to establish and "promote" "ownership" thereof for whatever reason or none.

A persual of the posts to which one may assume you to refer will surely clarify that no one has specifically accused anyone else of "verbosity", despite the fact that "verbosity" has been mentioned; it dos seem that no hard and fast conclusion has been drawn from any such references to "verbosity", but then since "verbosity" was not the subject of the thread concerned, this is presumably no great problem or surprise.

Your affection - at least in terms of your perception of my having "promoted", rather than merely attempted to respond to, "your" thread - would appear to be misplaced and I reiterate that I regard this thread less as "yours" in any proprietorial sense than as something which you have chosen to instigate for what I would hope to be sound and valid reasons.

I am sorry to disappopint you to the extent to which my response here is not, verbatim, what you stated in advance that it would be...

Best,

Alistair

[stevie]

HAHAHAHA respect da verboze fury of da aliztah

[ryguillian]

I am sorry to disappopint you to the extent to which my response here is not, verbatim, what you stated in advance that it would be...

I'm used it: you constantly “disappopint.”

—Ryan

[I Love Xenakis]

I'm used it: you constantly “disappopint.”

—Ryan

You wouldn't happen to mean "I'm used to it", would you Ryan sweetheart?

Very disappointing.

[ahinton]

I'm used it: you constantly “disappopint.”

—Ryan

Please forgive me, for I admit to being somewhat linguistically challenged when confronted with phrases such as "I'm used it" and words like "disappopint". As to the latter, I believe that a "disappopint" is about four-sevenths of a "disappolitre", but I could of course be wrong. As to the former, my scant intelligence deduces that you meant to write "I'm used to it" and, I am bound to conclude, if you express yourself in the way that you often seem to do, the fact that you have become accustomed to disappointment of one sort and another does not greatly surprise me.

In recognition of the thread subject here, may I nevertheless confirm to you that I wish you no violence, pure or otherwise...

Best,

Alistair

[stevie]

wooooooooooooo alistair owns a thesaurus!

[I Love Xenakis]

wooooooooooooo alistair owns a thesaurus!

Sadly, stevie doesn't.

[sauergrandson]

Forkotet 
Carlos Chávez (a mexican guy): anything

[pita bread]

>=)


How is it that you're even considering something besides the Corigliano Etude Fantasy?

not to mention:

Prokofiev Sonata No. 6
Ligeti Etude "Desordre"
Ligeti Etude "Automne a Varsovie"
Danielpour Mardigras
Xenakis Evryali
Babadjanian Poem for Piano
Boulez Incises
Liszt Totentanz
Liszt Apres un Lecture du Dante
Antheil Sonate Sauvage
Rzewski Winnsboro Cotton Mill Blues
Rzewski Squares
Alkan Scherzo Focoso
Ravel Scarbo
Bartok Sonata Sz. 80
Ginastera Sonata No. 1
Ornstein Wind Man's Dance (Danse Sauvage)


And you said something about concerti?

Barber, Ginastera 1/2, Corigliano, Penderecki will blow them away.

I mentioned the Corigliano  Great piece, but then didn't someone break something playing that? 

The Barber and Corigliano Concerti are also amazing.

[kevinatcausa]

Another Bartok possibility would be his "Out of Doors" suite.

[sauergrandson]

Hymne de l'enfant a son reveil 

[pita bread]

Oh yes, how could I forget the Messiaen Vingt Regards?

Personally, I don't care for much Bartok besides the Concerti, Piano Sonata and Etudes. His music is too folksy in a corny way.

[I Love Xenakis]

I mentioned the Corigliano  Great piece, but then didn't someone break something playing that? 

The Barber and Corigliano Concerti are also amazing.

grrrrr >=P

[g_s_223]

Galina Ustvolskaya's Piano Sonatas; a good article about her: https://www.therestisnoise.com/2005/02/ustvolskaya.html

[minor9th]

Gubidulina's Ciacona...check out Demidenko's live performance...it's utterly shattering.

[pita bread]

The Gubaidulina Chaconne begins with a punch but wears itself out.

[pita bread]

Ok, so the hunt continues.

[mikey6]

what about the Schnittke second sonata - heard Boris Berman play it.  Has about 10 minutes of clusters and was the most irritating/powerful performance I've seen.
(does this thread still want an answer to the question or is the debate still on?)

[pita bread]

Let's keep listing pieces. No more debate.

[pianorama]

Hmm... Clair de Lune? Moonlight Sonata? Fur Elise?

Oh, I'm sorry isn't this a thread about quite, tranquil songs?

[emmdoubleew]

I knew a girl who had no notion of classical other than some nice, quiet Mozart or Chopin. I played her the Beethoven Appasionata. In the beggining, nice quiet notes she filtered into a "background music" category right away. Then all of a sudden BOOM BOOM BOOM climbing chords she physically jumped off her chair.

As soon as i can play that piece I will, because it looks like so much fun to play.

And the person above jokingly mentioned Moonlight Sonata, but the third movement is pretty violent.

[jre58591]

hmm...maybe try balakirev's islamey if you want a romantic yet violent piece