Contrapunctus...Crap???

[lisztisforkids]

I dont care if I get booted,  I dont care if its imature,he is really starting to bother me. Sorry.

[Etude]

Agreed.

EDIT:  I didn't see this when I replied.

[iumonito]

I am torn.  I think his or her posts are all the things described in "yes" although I think the matter, although offensive, merits nothing more than laughter.

Rather than booting anyone out for being an idiot, I am imposing a self-ban, and will no longer look at any postings from Contra, no matter what.   

[Etude]

I am torn.  I think his or her posts are all the things described in "yes" although I think the matter, although offensive, merits nothing more than laughter.

I think so too, although I chose option 1 in the poll.

We need a "Yes -  I just laugh at him, He spews endless piles of s***" option.

[ahinton]

I am torn.  I think his or her posts are all the things described in "yes" although I think the matter, although offensive, merits nothing more than laughter.

Rather than booting anyone out for being an idiot, I am imposing a self-ban, and will no longer look at any postings from Contra, no matter what.   

I suppose that different things can inspire laughter in different people; I am by no means lacking in a sense of humour, but I have nevertheless failed to discover anything in "Contrapunctus"'s post that is remotely funny. Maybe I didn't try hard enough...

Best,

Alistair

[Etude]

Liberace=gay man. nobody is allowed to listen to him

I am sorry but most major conducters get training from a very early age because it takes 30-40 years to learn the stuff and become good. If you are a teenager it is probably already too late.

Here is a good one:

Why are French composers so bad?




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                                       Because they are French. 

dude beethoven died from syphyllis, did you not know that? He got around with the ladies if you know what I mean *cough* *cough*

Are you an idiot?

Every instrumental peice of music is a sonata.

How is s a eb?

I don't understand modern music in general, why can't they just compose a piece of music with a melody and a harmony in any eight tone scale. I mean it's worked for centuries and it's really simple stuff.

What do you do to become overrated?

Well lets see.... from the passages i have heard and what I have read aobout the piece these things come to mind:

        Almost no melody
+  nearly random bunch of hyper virtuosic notes (you cannot really call them musical)
+  the fact that the only reason why people say they like it is to make themselves feel
     special

= piece of ***

 

Excuse me?


And, I know that you are a better pianist than me because I am just fifteen.

     My personal favorite is Bach because he s the only person who could write contrapuntal music, which is the best!

[prometheus]

Whaha, that's hilarious!

[stevie]

JHAHAHAHAHAHAHA true

A CG LEGEND FO SHOR

[JCarey]

Seeing this guy banned would really make my day. I thought that he was an idiot from the time he registered. Things haven't improved. He has not only become more impolite to other members, but most of his posts are argumentative, though he is ignorant of most of the things he argues about. And I hope to God that nobody says, "Well he's only 15!" because there are many members on this board that are his age and younger who have written many thoughtful, polite and intelligent posts.

Contrapunctus = idiot. Nobody should bother listening to him.....

I am sorry but most normal people learn to write from a very early age because it takes quite a few years to learn the language and become good. If Contrapunctus is a teenager and still can't construct a sentence, it is probably already too late.....

Well lets see.... from his posts that I have read and what I have read about him these things come to mind:

        Can't write a decent sentence to save his life
+  nearly random bunch of arguments about things without anything to support his side of the argument (you cannot really call them intelligent)
+  the fact that the only reason why people say they like him is to avoid starting a fight

= worthless member who should be banned for the good of the forum.

I think I have expressed my views quite clearly.

- John

[ryguillian]

I've repeatedly tried to debunk Contrapunctus' ridiculous claims... if you look through the threads you'll find my responses to some of his more outrageous claims. He should be banned forever.

—Ryan

[lisztisforkids]

I've repeatedly tried to debunk Contrapunctus' ridiculous claims... if you look through the threads you'll find my responses to some of his more outrageous claims. He should be banned forever.

—Ryan

Well I dont think he should be banned at this point in time. But his last topic was very offensive, and barbaric, https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,15748.0.html

[mikey6]

I chose 1 to but is is rather funny at how ignorant he/she is. By the way is it a he or she?
And where has...contrapunctas gone all of a sudden? no reply to defend himself?

That sonata reply was a good one!

[iumonito]

I suppose that different things can inspire laughter in diffeent people; I am by no means lacking in a sense of humour, but I have nevertheless failed to discover anything in "Contrapunctus"'s post that is remotely funny. Maybe I didn't try hard enough...

Best,

Alistair

Alistair, by all means, I agree.  They are not funny, yet they are laughable (wow, that doesn't seem to be spelled right, it must be contagious).   

On a note of seriousness, though, I think it quite grave for any human being to be so callous and disconnected as to post something like the post that triggered this not unjustified campaign to purge the forum from this anomalous, although hopefully harmless, cell.

Good wishes to you too.

[contrapunctus]

Let's see here. This is called the internet. Wow. cool. I fail to understand why someone needs to be serious on the internet. As for my above quotes, you all would be terrible journalists because you ripped them out of their context. I admit, I have said stupid things when I was bored because I really don't care about my reputation on the internet. Which you people care to much about for no good reason, whatsoever. I fail to see how you need a good internet reputation to get ahead in life. You all need to lighten up before you go into cardiac arrest. Stress from being overly serious is very dangerous physically. Let's just all have a little fun, okay. I am not trying to form some kind of cult or anything, okay?

Here is a suggestion from me: it is only the internet, think about it. If I got banned, it would not be the end of the world. In fact it would probably give me more time to practice.

Just calm down and relax and I won't post anymore supposedly offensive posts.

Thank you.

[pita bread]

@the title of this thread:

true

[arensky]

you all would be terrible journalists because you ripped them out of their context.

Uh, that's what journalists are trained to do ...

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings.

I think that we are being too harsh on Contrapunctus. There is nothing wrong with writing what one wants to write as long as it's not insulting. We all don't know everything and there is nothing wrong with asking or making statements of things that we don't know about. I haven't seen any of Contrapunctus's isulting posts and I hope I don't. However, as insulting is of course insulting and there is a time when it is humorous to insult, but not to hurt someone's feelings. I seen no wrong in asking silly questions as long as they aren't topic related(those for the other board). My point is, don't insult Contrapunctus or anyone for that matter for making questions that to some seem silly. This is just my say.

Best Wishes to everyone.

[ahinton]

Let's see here. This is called the internet.

I somehow think that all forum menbers are already aware of this basic fact.

I fail to understand why someone needs to be serious on the internet.

Your failure in this or any other regards is your problem - not anyone else's; this is supposed to be a discussion forum about piano writing, playing, teaching, manufacturing, etc., which is in itself a serious and interesting subject. No harm in some good clean fun, as long as it doesn't get offensive and/or irrelevant and/or wholly uninformative as yours did in the thread that has evidently annoyed quite a few forum subscribers.

As for my above quotes, you all would be terrible journalists because you ripped them out of their context.

Quite apart from the fact that his would surely make us "all" good, rather than terrible, journalists, you flatter yourself if you believe that you even provided any "context" out of which your quotes could even have been ripped.

I admit, I have said stupid things when I was bored because I really don't care about my reputation on the internet.

I dopubt that any of us on this forum cares one way or the other either about your reputation on the internet or whether or not you personally care about it. To your admission I can only respond that PianoStreet forum members would appear largely  to prefer that you do this - if you must - other than on this forum.

I fail to see how you need a good internet reputation to get ahead in life.

I can agree with you here; however, that is not the point

You all need to lighten up before you go into cardiac arrest. Stress from being overly serious is very dangerous physically. Let's just all have a little fun, okay. I am not trying to form some kind of cult or anything, okay?

No one needs to get over-stressed or run any risk of going into cardiac arrest merely by reprimanding you for your puerile, offensive, irrelevant and humourless post - and I have no doubt that those who have so far done so have done it calmly. Forthright rebuffs can quite easily be provided when necessary without the provider getting overheated.

Here is a suggestion from me: it is only the internet, think about it. If I got banned, it would not be the end of the world. In fact it would probably give me more time to practice.

Just calm down and relax and I won't post anymore supposedly offensive posts.

Thank you.

It is not obvious that anyone here requires - or has invited - any suggeston from you. I have not asked for you to be banned from anything; such considerations are the prerogative of others. I have no idea as to your pianistic gifts, but I do know that disciplined piano practice is a far more constructive pursuit than the writing of the kind of gibberish you offered us here, so if being banned from this forum would give you more time to practice, may I respectfully suggest that you "ban" yourself by the simple means of resigning? - or, even more simply, that you just desist, as you appear to promise to do - from posting anything else of similar nature here.

Thank you, too - in advance...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Greetings.

I think that we are being too harsh on Contrapunctus. There is nothing wrong with writing what one wants to write as long as it's not insulting. We all don't know everything and there is nothing wrong with asking or making statements of things that we don't know about. I haven't seen any of Contrapunctus's isulting posts and I hope I don't. However, as insulting is of course insulting and there is a time when it is humorous to insult, but not to hurt someone's feelings. I seen no wrong in asking silly questions as long as they aren't topic related(those for the other board). My point is, don't insult Contrapunctus or anyone for that matter for making questions that to some seem silly. This is just my say.

Best Wishes to everyone.

I'd have another read of what he wrote, if I were you - and then ask yourself what you think about it in the terms to which you refer here...

Best,

Alistair

[debussy symbolism]

I'd have another read of what he wrote, if I were you - and then ask yourself what you think about it in the terms to which you refer here...

Best,

Alistair

Not that I disagree with you, however given that Conctrapunctus's posts may be insulting, I think that the least we can do is not insult and give another chancer(I speak to others who insult in general). Sometimes we all say things we shouldn't say and that's okay, as long as we realize our mistakes. I think that we should stop insulting Contrapunctus and just enjoy the fact that we did get upset over something like this. Contrapunctus has said that he isn't really serious about the internet and we really shouldn't be. It is a piano forum so we can discuss that. Practice more of course. The more the practice the less posts that seem insulting. What I am trying to say is that nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes and we need to accept that and inform about the mistakes so that we don't overflow with them(a plethora of insulting posts).

[debussy symbolism]

I mispelled chance. Sorry I Don't proofread my posts.

[ahinton]

Not that I disagree with you, however given that Conctrapunctus's posts may be insulting, I think that the least we can do is not insult and give another chancer(I speak to others who insult in general). Sometimes we all say things we shouldn't say and that's okay, as long as we realize our mistakes. I think that we should stop insulting Contrapunctus and just enjoy the fact that we did get upset over something like this. Contrapunctus has said that he isn't really serious about the internet and we really shouldn't be. It is a piano forum so we can discuss that. Practice more of course. The more the practice the less posts that seem insulting. What I am trying to say is that nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes and we need to accept that and inform about the mistakes so that we don't overflow with them(a plethora of insulting posts).

Whilst I admire your endeavours to be conciliatory, I am not of the opinion that upbraiding "Contrapunctus" for uninformative, unenlightening, crudely expressed sentiments that have no place on this forum has necessarily been done for the purpose of "insulting" him/her  but to inform him/her that the kind of post he/she made is plainly unacceptable in this forum; as you rightly observe, this "is a piano forum so we can discuss that". Of course, as you also note, none of us is perfect and we all make mistakes; however, whilst making a genuine (albeit exceedingly careless) mistake such as implying that Chopin's Op. 48 is the composer's "first" nocturne is at least correctable without the trading of insults, responding to the remainder of that post can surely only be done in kind if it to be done meaningfully.

As I have already stated, I am not specifically seeking that "Contrapunctus" should be banned from this forum; such matters are the sole province and prerogative of of the forum administrator.

Best,

Alistair

[debussy symbolism]

I should really take care of my proofreading of my posts. I do agree with you on leaving the "ban" decision to the administratior however unnecessary. I would also like to agree on insulting posts not okay, misinformed posts acceptable.

Best Wishes to everybody.

[ada]

While we're talking about insulting...what have you all got against journalists? We're not all bad. Some of us  even play the piano

[ahinton]

While we're talking about insulting...what have you all got against journalists? We're not all bad. Some of us  even play the piano

I'm not entirely sure who you mean by "all", but I personally have nothing against the journalistic profession as such, as I hope would have been clear from my remark about something marking not a terrible but a good journalist...

Best,

Alistair

[stevie]

i take all his posts in the spirit in which they are intended - raw CG

intended to be provocative, intended to induce argument, but not necesarily to hurt anyone or offend them seriously.

the results of his presence, are very amusing to me, and some others id assume, the other either - A) - dont understand this, B) - understand this and are apathetic to the situation, or C) - understand this but dont find it amusing in the slightest.

i like this kind of spice and raucus on the forum, but that may just be me 

[bearzinthehood]

i take all his posts in the spirit in which they are intended - raw CG

intended to be provocative, intended to induce argument, but not necesarily to hurt anyone or offend them seriously.

the results of his presence, are very amusing to me, and some others id assume, the other either - A) - dont understand this, B) - understand this and are apathetic to the situation, or C) - understand this but dont find it amusing in the slightest.

i like this kind of spice and raucus on the forum, but that may just be me 

++

[ahinton]

i take all his posts in the spirit in which they are intended - raw CG

Raw it may be; comedic or genius-like are quite another matter...

intended to be provocative,

If the intention is to provoke ridicule, perhaps.

intended to induce argument,

This one seems to be so lacking in substance as to incorporate nothing worthy of intelligent argument.

but not necesarily to hurt anyone or offend them seriously.

I have no idea what the intentions may be in either of these particulars, but it would seem that little effort has been made to avoid either and, in any case, it would be difficult if not impossible to take anything in it "seriously".

the results of his presence, are very amusing to me, and some others id assume, the other either - A) - dont understand this, B) - understand this and are apathetic to the situation, or C) - understand this but dont find it amusing in the slightest.

That's your prerogative. I cannot - and therefore do not presume to - speak for anyone else, but personally I neither understand it nor find it amusing in the slightest. So "Contrapunctus" is male, then...

Best,

Alistair

i like this kind of spice and raucus on the forum, but that may just be me 

[stevie]

i do understand it, he was bored so he wanted to provoke people into the situation that is now happening, its amusing to him and frustrating to you, and thats what he likes.

[ahinton]

i do understand it, he was bored so he wanted to provoke people into the situation that is now happening, its amusing to him and frustrating to you, and thats what he likes.

Fine. If he was - as he states and you accept - "bored", then he'd have been better off - again, as he himself seems to imply - in doing some practice rather than wasting forum space. "Frustrating" to me? Not really. Were it literally so, it would have stopped me from or hindered me in doing something. It has done neither. "Irritating", pehaps. But I think that quite enough has been said on it already and I imagine that nilsjohan, in his wise decision to move the "topic" to "Anything but Piano", probably thinks likewise...

Best,

Alistair

[stevie]

i like cuntrapunk for some random reason, a blessed soul he is.

[prometheus]

You mean an intellectually challenged bigot?

[lisztisforkids]

i do understand it, he was bored so he wanted to provoke people into the situation that is now happening, its amusing to him and frustrating to you, and thats what he likes.

There is a difference between trying to provoke somebody, and just being plain tasteless.

[stevie]

being tasteless is the key to his provocation.

[pies]

being tasteless is the key to his provocation.

True.
He's a forum troll and he found the perfect place to troll at - a forum full of pseudo-intellectuals that write lengthy posts that attempt to rip apart anything that has a hint of error in order to boost their internet egos and make their fellow pianists think that they're intelligent.

[leahcim]

While we're talking about insulting...what have you all got against journalists?

We have to pay for drinks Oh, and PR.

[contrapunctus]

True.
He's a forum troll and he found the perfect place to troll at - a forum full of pseudo-intellectuals that write lengthy posts that attempt to rip apart anything that has a hint of error in order to boost their internet egos and make their fellow pianists think that they're intelligent.

Actually I never really was an "internet troll" as you call it until Hinton came along. Hinton is a perfect exmple of a psuedo-intellectual. Instead of writing informative posts himself, he dissects other posts for errors and corrects them. In fact, I am willing to bet he will dissect this very post and point out all my errors. Back before he came I used to make informative posts and rarely posted anything risque. But, now since Hinton is here, I feel I must just so he can waste his time correcting me. In fact what I have done now is no worse than what MikeyG did and you all loved him. But, since I see I have offended many people, I offer my apologies, and will tone down future posts.

[ada]

We have to pay for drinks Oh, and PR.

I'm so sorry to go off topic but please explain? no one buys ME drinks and no self respecting journo would have anything to do with PR agencies.
(maybe we should start a thread called Journalists ...crap?? Then again, maybe not )

[leahcim]

I'm so sorry to go off topic but please explain? no one buys ME drinks and no self respecting journo would have anything to do with PR agencies.

Self-respect? Are we talking about the same thing? "I was intending to cut and paste the press release about the new Mitsushomi PC but, as ever, something has come up that'll let me talk at length about myself. An opportunity not to be missed, even if means work. On Friday, I wandered into my local PC World. For no other reason that to improve my chances of getting something for free after this is printed, [although I shall couch it in a way that makes it look like I am championing the consumer rights of the ordinary man] let me complain bitterly about the service I received 'Don't you know who I am? I write for the Times' I told the young assistant. To no avail....(cont pg 23)"

Most of the journalists I've come into contact with have been IT based.

They get stuff for free on the basis that they supposedly write about it.

I guess you need to write about drink [or stuff that PR bunnies will give you drinks if you write about it] Or perhaps, more accurately, yourself and the said stuff.

Unless it's taking time away from the book you're writing - you are writing one?

[ada]

My view (and that of a lot of employers) is that you don't ever accept any freebies or junkets for anyone, ever, because after all it's your integrity that's at stake.

If you write a glowing piece about a new bit of computer hardware or something and then it's revealed you got a freebie for it, what does that say about your credibility? Hmm?

I won't even let anyone buy me a coffee if I'm doing an interview, you've just got to be tough.

The Australian journalists code of ethics specifies:

 4.  Do not allow personal interest, or any belief, commitment, payment, gift or benefit, to undermine your accuracy, fairness or independence.

5.  Disclose conflicts of interest that affect, or could be seen to affect, the accuracy, fairness or independence of your journalism.  Do not improperly use a journalistic position for personal gain. 

6.  Do not allow advertising or other commercial considerations to undermine accuracy, fairness or independence.

And no, I'm not writing a book. I'm too busy being a hack

[ahinton]

Actually I never really was an "internet troll" as you call it until Hinton came along. Hinton is a perfect exmple of a psuedo-intellectual. Instead of writing informative posts himself, he dissects other posts for errors and corrects them. In fact, I am willing to bet he will dissect this very post and point out all my errors. Back before he came I used to make informative posts and rarely posted anything risque. But, now since Hinton is here, I feel I must just so he can waste his time correcting me. In fact what I have done now is no worse than what MikeyG did and you all loved him. But, since I see I have offended many people, I offer my apologies, and will tone down future posts.

"Correct" you? I wouldn't "waste my time", as you put it. But whatever the sincerest form of flattery may be, it certainly isn't suggesting that I have so much control over you and how and what you write that you have accordingly gone from making "informative" posts to offering "risqué" ones, as you suggest.

Occasionally, I will endeavour to correct an error if I see one (and why not? - I make them myself, just as everyone else does, from time to time - typos appear to be my speciality), but if you read what I write you will find that only a very small proportion of it is devoted to correcting anything that anyone else has written. As far as I am aware, I have only ever corrected one of your posts (in respect of the Chopin Nocturne) and I can see no harm in that.

I do have to take you to task, however, in your reference to "dissecting" others' posts, at least to the extent that your recent one that has sparked off numerous responses from forum members hardly contained anything that one could realistically "dissect"...

I might, however, ask you to define in more detail the difference between a pseudo-intellectual (I'll resist the temptation to correct your spelling here) and a genuine one; I'm sure that this would be potentially "informative" to readers...

I admit that my posts are more often than not reactive, to the extent that I rarely initiate threads myself, but this fact does not of itself make them, or indeed anyone else's similarly reactive posts, by definition uninformative.

I am sure that we (and I will define "we" in this instance by referring to those whom you say you have offended in this forum) will accept your apology and your undertaking in respect of your future posts in the spirit in which you meant them.

Best,

Alistair