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Offline cucudas

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what concerto should i play?
on: February 28, 2006, 03:31:48 AM
hello
i just finished my college audition
my private teacher wants me to learn my first piano concerto
i'm now 24 and its kinda late to learn concerto as first time (i never had a teacher who can teach me concertos)
but anyways..
she told me to choose whatever i want by listening to lot of recordings
like Tchaikowsky Rachmaninoff and others...
but i don't have many recordings currently and i do not know many concertos

she told me not to choose
chopin concertos (because i was too chopinized, and chopin concerto No. 2 was the one i said out loud to her when she asked me which one i wanted to work on)

and these are the ones that i will not choose
-beethoven concertos, mozart concertos, Mendelssohn, Rachmaninoff, Grieg, Saint-sean,Liszt, Brahms


and these are the pieces i played for my audition
-chopin Sonata Op. 58 (all mvts)
-Beethoven Sonata Op.57 appassionata - all mvts
-chopin etude 10/5
etc..

and new pieces i got from my teacher after the audition
-liszt La Campanella
-Beethoven Walstein
-Chopin Etude 10/1, 25/5, 25/8, 25/9
and others

which concerto should i play??
please help
thank you!!

Offline kaiwin

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #1 on: February 28, 2006, 04:07:36 AM
No Rach? No Mendelssohn? No Grieg? No Chopin? No Tchaikovsky?

Lol, not desperate enough  :P
Chopin Concerto No. 2 is beautiful but lots of virtuostic passages, have you considered Chopin Piano Concerto No. 1? Not really much exciting parts but I still like it.
One concerto I could think of... Schumman Piano Concerto in A minor... But then thats too much like the Grieg concerto...
I don't know... Your missing out on almost all the great concerto writers...

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #2 on: February 28, 2006, 04:07:51 AM
Since you refuse to do all the good concerti, my suggestion would be to do something sihtty like Hummel or Busoni. Good luck.

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #3 on: February 28, 2006, 05:34:14 AM
Scriabin Concerto
Henselt Piano Concerto in F minor
Scharwenka Piano Concerto No 1 Op. 32
Shostakovitch Piano Concertos

Since you refuse to do all the good concerti, my suggestion would be to do something sihtty like Hummel or Busoni. Good luck.

Busoni's hard.
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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #4 on: February 28, 2006, 05:38:23 AM
Yeah... you just cancelled out like 95% of all the good concertos...
I recommend to reconsider your options...

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #5 on: February 28, 2006, 05:41:59 AM
It's a tough suggestion coz you've knocked out the more classical ones (beethoven, Mozart) and the virtousic ones (Grieg, Liszt, Saint-Saens) so not exactly sure what you want to play.
You could go for a Bartok, Prokofiev or Haydn which is not very often played.




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Offline franzliszt2

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #6 on: February 28, 2006, 09:40:54 AM
Prolofiev 3rd concerto is one of my favourites.

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #7 on: February 28, 2006, 12:51:17 PM
As everyone else has stated - you have pretty much knocked back most of the best Concerto Writers of the last 200 years.... Which means you're pretty much narrowing yourself to bugger all.....

The only one I could possibly think that isn't on your list of things you hate... is Moszkowskis Piano Concerto in E.. Op 59 I think.

It's the only you haven't said anything about... and if you want to hear it... I recommend you get the recording from here....

https://www.pianosociety.com/index.php?id=283

Having said that... I'm kind of disappointed that you have thrown all caution to the wind by not going for something that could teach you good skills...  like Liszt No. 1 in E flat.... (I know you said you didn't like it)... Just saying though



The only other one that may be interesting for you might be Tchaikovsky's 3rd Piano Concerto in E flat.... rarely played and is a very fine piece of music. The 1st Piano Concerto by Tchaikovsky is over played....



Last byt not least, if youre going to choose a Rachmaninoff Concerto - Go for no 2... No 1 is kind of an obscure piece to learn, especially for a first piano concerto... and 3 is way to damn hard. No 4 is a weird piece and very few people have played it, because it doesn't seem to be as good as the other 3.



Hope it helps...

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #8 on: February 28, 2006, 02:01:19 PM
Well, you render me speechless cucudas

Well, good luck playing the shitass concertos

Of course, excluding Prok

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #9 on: February 28, 2006, 02:25:39 PM
Anton Rubinstein Concerto

Cesar Franck variations for piano and orchestra - brilliant writing.

Schumann Concerto - so wonderful to play and study! its form is like grieg since it was grieg's model i think but it sounds so different, the textures of the piano part and the orchestra alone or together... beautiful work!

Kachaturian - very Lisztian virtuosity

Granados - chopinesque though

Symanowski - sometimes i don't like it, hehe

How about Bach?

Bartok 2nd - if you wanna work

Bartok 3rd - beautiful work

Bartok 1st - exciting

Busoni - if you wanna die

Lutoslawski - haven't heard it yet

Barber - brilliant and bravura

Scriabin - beautifiul melodies, great writing, sometimes reminds me of grieg in the 3rd movement though, hahaha.

well, what else is not banned for you? hehe. i can't think of other concertos but if i were you, i'd work on the classical concertos first like mozart of beethoven... but you've crossed those two out already. beethoven 2nd is a good start, learn it in a month, then proceed to some mendelssohn or mozart seriously... then go for rachmaninoff 1 or 2, then go backwards with schumann,  then maybe move forward with chopin 2nd, beethoven 1st, 3rd and 5th, then prokofiev 3rd, then start reading rachmaninoff 3rd while you seriously work on mozart d minor concerto... after that, go for the brahms 2nd while you keep on reading rach 3, then finally start learning rach 3. after rach 3, everything else shouldn't be a problem. haha, some good for the mind, some good for the heart.

then start having fun with ravel in G, shostakovich no. 2, or rach paganini variations.

actually, that's my personal plan.:) hahaha i hope that happens. am giving myself until the age of 45. after rach 3, i can say that finally i'm a pianist already, hahaha.
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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #10 on: February 28, 2006, 03:21:44 PM
Stick to what you do best. Stick with the Chopin... I like that piece

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #11 on: February 28, 2006, 04:36:02 PM
There's plently of great concerti to pick from.  I suggest:

Macdowell's (1 or 2, 2 is harder than 1)
Gershwin's F or his Rhapsody
Ginastera (1 or 2, both very exciting and "Berg-ian")
Schumann's A minor
Clara (Wieck) Schumann's A minor
Villa-Lobos (any of his 5)
Bach (D minor)
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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #12 on: February 28, 2006, 04:49:56 PM
Bartok 3 is amazing... really... and the last movement is amazing! Only 80% is hard i would say... lol...
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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #13 on: February 28, 2006, 08:53:00 PM
shostakovich no.2! at least you'll have fun
not hugely difficult, im learning it at the moment, im a bit suprised youve knocked out some of the greatest concertos ever written in one fell swoop but meh whatever you fancy
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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #14 on: February 28, 2006, 09:09:32 PM
shostakovich no.2! at least you'll have fun
not hugely difficult, im learning it at the moment, im a bit suprised youve knocked out some of the greatest concertos ever written in one fell swoop but meh whatever you fancy
truly meh...
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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #15 on: February 28, 2006, 09:46:11 PM
Concerto nr. 1 (d minor) or Concerto nr. 2 (bflat minor) by M. Martucci. Striking music -- totally underplayed.
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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #16 on: March 01, 2006, 03:49:36 AM
Hmm. Well this is the advice I can give. You're 2-3 years ahead of me as far as pianistic skill based on what you've played, and frankly, I'm reluctant/scared to try and learn a piano concerto for maybe another six or seven years. Particularly in late Romantic concertos, what might be considered very technically hard within a solo piece is the norm within a concerto. Based on the pieces that you're playing now, you need something that's not too technically difficult and daunting, so a lot of the composers that you eliminated are out of the picture anyway. If it were two years from now and I had to choose a concerto that was out of the mainstream, I'd go for like the Sauer no. 1 or something. I don't know exactly how hard it is, but it doesn't sound insanely difficult, has a gorgeous slow movement, isn't any longer than most concertos, and is played by almost no one.

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #17 on: March 01, 2006, 04:24:46 AM
Why are you afraid of technical difficulty?

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #18 on: March 01, 2006, 06:16:37 AM
If it were two years from now and I had to choose a concerto that was out of the mainstream, I'd go for like the Sauer no. 1 or something. I don't know exactly how hard it is, but it doesn't sound insanely difficult, has a gorgeous slow movement, isn't any longer than most concertos, and is played by almost no one.
actually, judging from the sheets, this piano concerto is kinda difficult, seeing as there are a few confusing parts in it that require formidable technque. stephen hough does a good job in this concerto, however, in masking the difficulties.

so, cucudas, i suggest you go toward a lesser-known piano concerto. either of the sauer concertos would be great, but the 1st is the better choice, if you have the technique. also, take a look at the scharwenka concertos also, for they have many great qualities and arent difficult. another good choice would be any of the three alkan concertos da camera, except that a set of parts would be hard to find for any of these three concertos.
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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #19 on: March 01, 2006, 06:18:43 AM
Do you have the sheet music pdf for Sauer 1? I'd be curious to take a look at it.

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #20 on: March 01, 2006, 06:20:10 AM
Do you have the sheet music pdf for Sauer 1? I'd be curious to take a look at it.
here is the sauer 1st piano concerto. i suggest you look at this, cucudas, if you are interested in a more unheard-of concerto. enjoy!

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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #21 on: March 01, 2006, 12:25:34 PM
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Re: what concerto should i play?
Reply #22 on: March 06, 2006, 10:21:57 PM
Stravinsky Concerto for piano and wind. Amazing concerto
 

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