"alla turca"- volodos

[lau]

in the beginning of the song, how do you finger all of the chromatic stuff in the right hand? I want to learn how to finger it in the best way possible. Can anyone help?

[lau]

tanks ronde

[ronde_des_sylphes]

I assume you mean the double-note stuff starting at bar 5.

Try bar 5, 2nd crotchet: 51, 42, 31, 42;
      bar 6  5 (1,2,1,2 for the semis);  51, 42, 31, 42; 
      bar 7  5 (1,2,1,2 for the semis);  51, 42, 31, 42;
      bar 8  51, 42, 31, 42; 51, 42, 31, 42;
      bar 9  5 (1,2,1,2 for the semis); 4 (3,2) for 3rd quaver and 5 (1,2) for 4th quaver

[lau]

I need definition of:

crotchet

semis

quaver

[tompilk]

duration    American                    British
2                double whole note          breve
1                whole note                      semibreve
1/2               half note                        minim
1/4               quarter note             crotchet
1/8               eighth note                      quaver
1/16              sixteenth note           semiquaver
1/32              thirty-second note         demisemiquaver
1/64              sixty-fourth note           hemidemisemiquaver
1/128             hundred twenty-eighth note    quasihemidemisemiquaver or                                         semihemidemisemiquaver
Tom

[contrapunctus]

duration    American                    British
2                double whole note          breve
1                whole note                      semibreve
1/2               half note                        minim
1/4               quarter note             crotchet
1/8               eighth note                      quaver
1/16              sixteenth note           semiquaver
1/32              thirty-second note         demisemiquaver
1/64              sixty-fourth note           hemidemisemiquaver
1/128             hundred twenty-eighth note    quasihemidemisemiquaver or                                         semihemidemisemiquaver
Tom

Why do you British folk feel the need to give all the notes big long names?

[pita bread]

quasihemidemisemiquaver or semihemidemisemiquaver

Hahaha. What on earth?

[jre58591]

i love how you keep adding on these prefixes.

btw, lau, im still cracking up that you of all all people are learning it (no offense).

[tompilk]

dont blame me! im just telling you what things are...

[lau]

i love how you keep adding on these prefixes.

btw, lau, im still cracking up that you of all all people are learning it (no offense).

What's so funny about learning this?!?!?!

[tompilk]

What's so funny about learning this?!?!?!

i think he's gone a bit funny... wierd,...

[fergal]

I didnt even know it was possible  to get the score for this piece. where did you find it>

[lau]

I didnt even know it was possible to get the score for this piece. where did you find it>

I made a sheet music request on gaming force

[steinwaymodeld]

I need definition of:

crotchet

semis

quaver

hahahah

I need defination of:

hypocrite

liar

wait, i think i already got it.

[lau]

hahahah

I need defination of:

hypocrite

liar

wait, i think i already got it.

I really hope you don't mean me

[canardroti]

Why don't you ask , " The Jemboy"? He 's done a great job with the piece.
Oh wait a minute, you don't like the guy.
nevermind then.

[lau]

just because his name is retarded doesn't mean i hate him. Like my name; "Lau" , it really is a dumb name, but i don't think i am retarded. I really enjoy the Jemboy or should I say Alex.

[franzliszt2]

I'm sorry to sound harsh but I really don;t mean it, but isn't this piece a virtouso show piece. And the words demi and semi and quaver should be fairly familiar to someone learning it. And a player doing it should have a pretty solid double note technique?? for the into, and octaves, and the middle section.

Best advice for double notes at the start is to get some chopin etudes under the fingers, the 3rds 6ths, and do all scales in 3rds 4ths and 6ths to get the double notes going. I did loads of excercises like tankard and hamilton, and czerny studies, and then chopin etudes, before I ever took on any piece with difficulty double note passages. Now passages like the volodos all turka don;t bother me that much. Practice the passage in dotted rhythms, and very slowy, and with a metronome. And don;t go to far, or you'll damage your hands, those double notes are not hand friendly!!

[lau]

I'm sorry to sound harsh but I really don;t mean it, but isn't this piece a virtouso show piece. And the words demi and semi and quaver should be fairly familiar to someone learning it. And a player doing it should have a pretty solid double note technique?? for the into, and octaves, and the middle section.

Best advice for double notes at the start is to get some chopin etudes under the fingers, the 3rds 6ths, and do all scales in 3rds 4ths and 6ths to get the double notes going. I did loads of excercises like tankard and hamilton, and czerny studies, and then chopin etudes, before I ever took on any piece with difficulty double note passages. Now passages like the volodos all turka don;t bother me that much. Practice the passage in dotted rhythms, and very slowy, and with a metronome. And don;t go to far, or you'll damage your hands, those double notes are not hand friendly!!

um, I never have seen anything like the double notes in the alla turca, but I have seemed to have passed them with flying colors. I can almost play the theme up to speed. I have now moved on...so, yeah. My hands kind of hurt at first because i wsn't use to playing double notes like that, but i got use to it. I am the type of person that will just go for it even though i haven't even seen anything like it before, thats how i learned my other peices

[jamie_liszt]

Lower voice : fingers 1 and 2 (alternating) ie: 121212121212
Upper voice : fingers 3 4 and 5 ie: 5 4 3 4  5 - 5 4 3 4  5 etc

you really have to make it even and try to make the upper voice sing.

i havnt played this piece in ages, i hope im right.. try finding the fingering that suits you.

[lau]

Lower voice : fingers 1 and 2 (alternating) ie: 121212121212
Upper voice : fingers 3 4 and 5 ie: 5 4 3 4 5 - 5 4 3 4 5 etc

you really have to make it even and try to make the upper voice sing.

i havnt played this piece in ages, i hope im right.. try finding the fingering that suits you.

I think I know what you are talking about, but i am also past that, moving onto the fourth page

[pianorama]

duration    American                    British
2                double whole note          breve
1                whole note                      semibreve
1/2               half note                        minim
1/4               quarter note             crotchet
1/8               eighth note                      quaver
1/16              sixteenth note           semiquaver
1/32              thirty-second note         demisemiquaver
1/64              sixty-fourth note           hemidemisemiquaver
1/128             hundred twenty-eighth note    quasihemidemisemiquaver or                                         semihemidemisemiquaver
Tom

If by duration you mean how many beats it lasts, I think you're wrong. (though I've never heard of a double whole note)

Wouldn't a whole note be 4 beats, a half note have 2 beats, a quater note have 1 beat, an eighth note have 1/2 a beat, a sixteenth note have 1/4 of a beat, etc.?

[tompilk]

If by duration you mean how many beats it lasts, I think you're wrong. (though I've never heard of a double whole note)

Wouldn't a whole note be 4 beats, a half note have 2 beats, a quater note have 1 beat, an eighth note have 1/2 a beat, a sixteenth note have 1/4 of a beat, etc.?

hmmm. i thought that after posting, but this is how it is according to a wiki i found... maybe they are all shifted down in american way? cos i just play them really... i hate theory ut copied and pasted to help out..
Tom

[mwf]

To jamie-liszt or whatever, quote 'I hav not played this piece in ages' !!! what are you saying here, that you played it years ago when you were 14 or something, dont lie through your teeth, I suppose you can play it as well as Volodos or better perhaps. You must be the greatest pianist alive, I cant see how anyone could of got the sheet music anyway, someone has learned it by ear and put their version on the net I would guess.
I am greatly intrigued here, help me out.

[holberg]

well... jamie-liszt also has claimed to play la campanella in front of 10.000 people.. but then again... i dont believe that either..

[ronde_des_sylphes]

There is a sheet music version of it (as I have it). I assume someone has transcribed it by ear, a thankless task. To me, it looks like a pretty decent replica of what Volodos plays (even if one of the bass notes seems wrong in bar 5 ).

[lau]

To jamie-liszt or whatever, quote 'I hav not played this piece in ages' !!! what are you saying here, that you played it years ago when you were 14 or something, dont lie through your teeth, I suppose you can play it as well as Volodos or better perhaps. You must be the greatest pianist alive, I cant see how anyone could of got the sheet music anyway, someone has learned it by ear and put their version on the net I would guess.
I am greatly intrigued here, help me out.

thats exactly what i was wondering, but didn't bother to post.

[ronde_des_sylphes]

At least he agreed with my fingering, hehe.

[sergei r]

I've never seen anything above a demisemiquaver before, and never really saw the need for it...Rather than putting that many lines above the notes why not just quicken the tempo?

[invictus]

Like Beethoven's Pathetique introduction?

No, grace notes

Especially in some 20th century fun works.

[pianorama]

I've never seen anything above a demisemiquaver before, and never really saw the need for it...Rather than putting that many lines above the notes why not just quicken the tempo?

In the grade 8 (RCM) study/etude book there are two 64th (hemidemisemiquaver) notes in a song called morning bells. Though in the CD it sounds slower than I expected, like 32nd notes or 16th notes or something. Why wouldn't they just write it as an ornament?

[gymnopedist]

"Comme le vent" has an entire page almost exclusively in 64th notes. the worst part is, it's supposed to be played prestissimamente!

[lau]

now I got another question about this piece. On the bottom of page 5, how do you finger those double 16th notes?

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Starting from bar 69, 2nd beat (the beginning of the passage in thirds):
             53, 42, 31,42
bar 70:  31, 42, 31, 42; 53, 31, 42, 53
bar 71:  53, 42, 31, 53; 53, 42, 31, 42
bar 72:  31, 42, 31, 42; 53, 31, 42, 53
bar 73:  41, 52; then as in bars 70-72

For the sixths:
bar 76:  53, 1, 52, 41; 52, 41, 52, 41
bar 77:  52

Hope that helps.

[lau]

Starting from bar 69, 2nd beat (the beginning of the passage in thirds):
             53, 42, 31,42
bar 70:  31, 42, 31, 42; 53, 31, 42, 53
bar 71:  53, 42, 31, 53; 53, 42, 31, 42
bar 72:  31, 42, 31, 42; 53, 31, 42, 53
bar 73:  41, 52; then as in bars 70-72

For the sixths:
bar 76:  53, 1, 52, 41; 52, 41, 52, 41
bar 77:  52

Hope that helps.

thanks a lot. It is kind of an uncomfortable fingering, but i think i saw that coming.

[lau]

ok, I finished the next part, and the part after that. I need fingering for the part around bar 92. It starts with A A# B C C# F D# E ..ect in the right hand. It's the part that looks very hard.

[lau]

thanks for no help  . I am working on the next session, you know what it is. It is very weird and doesn't sound right even when i speed it up on my electronic keyboard. What am I doing wrong?

[lau]

 the reason I made this thread is pretty much just to know the correct fingering. I never know if I have the right fingering, and if there might be an easier way to play something. and when i have something in my muscle memory and realize that I could have done this a lot easier it's a real bummer.

so i'd really appreciate fingering for the part after the second variation of the theme in sixtuplets... It's not that part after the theme, it's still the theme but the sixtuples are gone.

help appreciated..please?

[nanabush]

for you guys who didn't think he was telling the truth, believe it, he posted a rec. in audition room, and I gota say he did a really good job

[dnephi]

Why don't you ask , " The Jemboy"? He 's done a great job with the piece.
Oh wait a minute, you don't like the guy.
nevermind then.

I really don't like JemBoy's playing.

[lau]

I really don't like JemBoy's playing.

curiously, do you think i've done better than jemboy so far?   

[sevencircles]

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"Comme le vent" has an entire page almost exclusively in 64th notes. the worst part is, it's supposed to be played prestissimamente!
Someone on this Forum claimed that Ian Pace could play it at least as fast as Alkan intended.

[dnephi]

curiously, do you think i've done better than jemboy so far?   

Da true. 

[pianohenry]

If by duration you mean how many beats it lasts, I think you're wrong. (though I've never heard of a double whole note)

Wouldn't a whole note be 4 beats, a half note have 2 beats, a quater note have 1 beat, an eighth note have 1/2 a beat, a sixteenth note have 1/4 of a beat, etc.?

Being british, maybe I can enlighten you folks to how we name our notes

A BREVE (or double whole note) is supposedly meant to last 8 beats - twice as long as a semibreve. at least, thats what it was in sort of classical times - nowadays, a BREVE usually indicates a note held for the entire duration of the bar where there are more than 4 beats For example, in 3/2 time, youd have 3 minim beats in a bar = 6 crotches. so if there was a SEMIBREVE it would be  4 beats, and youd have another minim left. but if you used a BREVE it would mean 6 beats, or however many beats in the bar whole there are.

going down from that - you have semibreve = 4 beats, minim = 2 beats, crotchet = 1 beat, quaver = 1/2 beat, semiquaver = 1/4 beat, demisemiquaver = 1/8 beat and so on.

Hmm... being english im going to be biased... but i think our way makes more sense. Because using the american way, doesnt it only make sense if youre only in 4/4 time, where a WHOLE note is 4 beats, and a HALF note is 2 etc.? by using terms like WHOLE and HALF, id think that the WHOLE would generally be the WHOLE BAR (or measure i think you call it ) so if youre saying that a whole note is 4 beats, then if your in different time signature how do you call them? because a whole note in 3/4 time would be MORE than the whole measure... it would go a beat over the bar and a half note would be two beats out of 3... and thats not half, thats TWO THIRDS of the bar!?

im pretty confused myself actually.

[lau]

okay, can we stop the small talk and proceed to the large talk now?!?!?

I really want to get this next part learned for this recital I will play in, it's in a month. I haven't made barely any progress on this piece or anything the whole summer

please

[ihatepop]

I didnt even know it was possible  to get the score for this piece. where did you find it>

Its found on 'Sheet Music Requests'