which race is intrinsically superior?

[anekdote]

I meant a small section of DNA. Of course samples are small!

African albinoes are albino, not "white." And they still have African facial features and hair.
https://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9321/197gp.jpg
https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2514/209oa.jpg
https://www.bio.davidson.edu/Courses/Immunology/Students/Spring2003/Leese/albino.gif

And your argument that we all came from Africa is pretty meaningless to me. "We all came from single-celled organisms, so let's quit with all this 'human' and 'animal' nonsense and let's asexually fission together!"

"People of all races have been born in all parts of the world. I mean if you take the average american you don't locate them in the US though they do live there."
Take your average White American. Anybody can tell that somewhere down the line they immigrated from Europe. If our current population of North Americans were to remain isolated for a period of time, they would develop their own unique traits and if isolated for a really long period of time, they might form a new branch on the human tree.

If members of a particular race left their homeland, they do not suddenly lose their racial identity also. They are still identified from the place they came.

"Also, the native americans, what race are they? Aren't they 'asian'? Yet still they do not live in Asia. Same goes for the arabs in north africa. They didn't originally live there. And back to the US. All these people are out of place. Australia too."
There are appearance differences between Amerindians and Old World Asians. An educated eye can pinpoint them. Yes, while American Indians are macro-racially "Mongoloid" (Asian), they are sub-racially divided into their own categories which distinguish them from their Old World predecessors. Put an American Indian in Japan and he will be out-of-place.

Also, the average white person has a non-white ancestor. Those same forensic anthropologists can identify out of place genes that do not belong to the gene pool of people of the white ethnicity. You may have a african ancestor, a persian one, an arab one, a greek one, etc. And even if they do not find the particular gene needed to identify this ancestor you can still have one. It is very possible that the unique gene got lost somewhere along the way. Or that you don't have it but your brother has."
Yes, taking human history into account this is to be expected.


"There are many many people today that have a totally mixed ethnicity. These people are increasing every day. There is nothing unambigious about them. Many of these people have parents that are also mixed. There are whole blood lines of 'pure' 'mixed' heritage."
If I cross a tiger and lion to produce a liger, it is a given that the liger will be relatively ambiguous in comparison to its parents and kin. Hence the term liger. The same with mules.

[emmdoubleew]

I was tempted to vote 'indian' just because I love the food so much.... but 

I voted 'white', just because historically, they were so quick on their feet to make themselves boss.  China could have taken over the world long ago, but they blew it.

Hhahaha yes, the legendary undiscriminatory killing of muslims and enslavement of africans, not to mention not making a single remarkable invention before the cotton spinner and stealin all of China's technology.

We sure are a noble race.

[musik_man]

Hhahaha yes, the legendary undiscriminatory killing of muslims and enslavement of africans, not to mention not making a single remarkable invention before the cotton spinner and stealin all of China's technology.

We sure are a noble race.

You do know that North African Muslims enslaved over 1 million Europeans...  Europe isn't unique for having had slavery, it's unique in having ended it.  As far as inventions, the working firearm, Boats capable of crossing the ocean, Calculus, and physics all predate the cotton gin.  Oh and the steam engine.

I think we all know that Jews are intristically superior.  How else could they do such a good job of controlling all the worlds money and governments?

BTW for the sarcasm-impaired, that was a "joke"

[steveie986]

You do know that North African Muslims enslaved over 1 million Europeans...  Europe isn't unique for having had slavery, it's unique in having ended it.  As far as inventions, the working firearm, Boats capable of crossing the ocean, Calculus, and physics all predate the cotton gin.  Oh and the steam engine.

These were certainly notable inventions that predated the cotton gin, but the Europeans weren't the first to invent/discover any of them (except for the steam engine). As we all know, the Chinese had gunpowder and guns first. As for ships, the fleet of Ming dynasty explorer Zheng He (1371- 1433) was the largest the world had ever seen at the time. He explored the Indian Subcontinent and as far west as the coast of East Africa (and some believe as far south as Australia). Calculus, also, had been developed to quite an advanced level by Indian mathematicians in the 15th century (of particular interest is Madhava of Sangamagrama and the Kerala School).

However, the steam engine, to the best of my knowledge, is uniquely European.

[prometheus]

Anekdote, you didn't respond to my points. Only to my corrections of your claims.

[anekdote]

Anekdote, you didn't respond to my points. Only to my corrections of your claims.

Which points, specifically? I thought I had addressed them all. Sorry.

[musik_man]

These were certainly notable inventions that predated the cotton gin, but the Europeans weren't the first to invent/discover any of them (except for the steam engine). As we all know, the Chinese had gunpowder and guns first. As for ships, the fleet of Ming dynasty explorer Zheng He (1371- 1433) was the largest the world had ever seen at the time. He explored the Indian Subcontinent and as far west as the coast of East Africa (and some believe as far south as Australia). Calculus, also, had been developed to quite an advanced level by Indian mathematicians in the 15th century (of particular interest is Madhava of Sangamagrama and the Kerala School).

However, the steam engine, to the best of my knowledge, is uniquely European.

Well, a quick wiki-browse proves me ignorant about calculus-history(how could I not be more interested in math history ), but I think I'm correct on the other points.  China had gunpowder, not guns.  Additionally, to the best of my knowledge, the Ming fleet never engaged in trans-oceanic travel.  It only hopped along the Indian and African coasts.  I'm not really sure if the fleet was or was not capable of crossing an ocean.  And Newtonian Mechanics is, obviously, a European invention.

[gilad]

Are all these inventions supposed to be a benchmark for racial superiority?lol.
These inventions were the result of the context in which they were created.
If creating that context makes a race superior than maybe, but that is not the case. All people of the world have adapted to their respective envirnments and the demands thereof. This shows intellegence(which arguably fosters superiority) as a concept of adaptation, an overall ability in survival, and we all have it. some more than others, but it's distribution isn't across racial classifications.

[prometheus]

Anekdote, that the human genome is too homogenous compared to other species to justify splitting it into races. The human genome has very little variation compared to other species.

Also, no one has been able to propose a strong and objective criteria for the human races. If you look at all the examples proposed you will notice they are very much grounded in culture and other subjective things like this.

[musik_man]

Are all these inventions supposed to be a benchmark for racial superiority?lol.
These inventions were the result of the context in which they were created.
If creating that context makes a race superior than maybe, but that is not the case. All people of the world have adapted to their respective envirnments and the demands thereof. This shows intellegence(which arguably fosters superiority) as a concept of adaptation, an overall ability in survival, and we all have it. some more than others, but it's distribution isn't across racial classifications.

Nope, I believe in the equality of mankind.  It just bugs me when people try to fudge history to make Europe look worse.

[emmdoubleew]

You do know that North African Muslims enslaved over 1 million Europeans...  Europe isn't unique for having had slavery, it's unique in having ended it.  As far as inventions, the working firearm, Boats capable of crossing the ocean, Calculus, and physics all predate the cotton gin.  Oh and the steam engine.

I think we all know that Jews are intristically superior.  How else could they do such a good job of controlling all the worlds money and governments?

BTW for the sarcasm-impaired, that was a "joke"

1. Europeans were the first and last imperialists.
2. The chinese did more than hal the work inventing gunpowder and cannons.
3. In any case, firearms are really nothing to be proud of.
4. Does "Algebra" sound like anything remotely western to you? No Algebra, no calc, no physics
5. First boats capable of crossing an ocean? Was that part of the joke too? HAHAHAHHAHA

no seriously, the Chinese were happily floating all over the indian ocean 200 years before Europeans even figured out how to make sailboats.

European isn't worst, I was pointing out it isn't any better...

I'm white-french myself.

[steveie986]

Well, a quick wiki-browse proves me ignorant about calculus-history(how could I not be more interested in math history ), but I think I'm correct on the other points.  China had gunpowder, not guns.  Additionally, to the best of my knowledge, the Ming fleet never engaged in trans-oceanic travel.  It only hopped along the Indian and African coasts.  I'm not really sure if the fleet was or was not capable of crossing an ocean.  And Newtonian Mechanics is, obviously, a European invention.

I agree. The history of mathematics is a fascinating subject. Wikipedia has some great articles on this subject. What's especially interesting is Archimedes' foray into calculus. His manuscripts on this subject were not discovered until about 1900. If Newton and Leibniz had known about them, one can only speculate how much faster mathematics would have developed.

I'm not an expert on gun history. But I think after the invention of gunpowder it was certainly used in war (bamboo rockets). Though it was the Arabs who refined gunpowder and made them into legitimate weapons. The problem with arguing about who invented guns first is the definition of what exactly constitutes a gun. So I won't press this point.

Whether or not the Ming fleet actually engaged in trans-oceanic travel or merely coastal travel is a moot point because it certainly COULD have done the former since technologically the fleets were astounding for the time. The 1405 expedition consisted of 27,800 men and 317 ships. The actual size of the ships are detailed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He
The treasure ships were 120 meters long compared to the 18-meter long Santa Maria of Columbus. The fleets did not engage in trans-oceanic travel because the central Ming administration did not feel there was anything worth discovering across the eastern ocean. In other words, it was a political reason and not a technical limitation.

I'm not debating any of these things because I want to make European culture look bad. It's just a historical discussion and not some racially motivated polemic.

[anekdote]

Anekdote, that the human genome is too homogenous compared to other species to justify splitting it into races. The human genome has very little variation compared to other species.

Also, no one has been able to propose a strong and objective criteria for the human races. If you look at all the examples proposed you will notice they are very much grounded in culture and other subjective things like this.

On the first part about the human genome, I will add more input later when I have better information. Off the top of my head I cannot make a statement about the homogeneity or heterogeneity of mankind. So I will be doing some research.

But to address the second issue, the major racial categories I listed (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Australoid, Negroid, and Capoid) are pretty objective. They are based on phenotype and morphology only (not genotype). Culture and ethnicity have no bearing on these classifications. Asian Indians, Middle-easterners, North Africans, and European Whites are all classified under the Caucasoid category, even though their cultures are vastly different.

[prometheus]

I have a book with nice drawings of the strange chinese 'siege engines' using gunpowder.

[rimv2]

Ironically, this topic was not meant to be serious.

Ironically, it has exploded into discussion.

You do know that North African Muslims enslaved over 1 million Europeans...  Europe isn't unique for having had slavery, it's unique in having ended it. 

European slavery was unique in its sheer numbers, use of the bible to tell men they werent men, massive deaths that occured during upheaval and transport, and its firm insistence on keeping its enslaved uneducated to satisfy its own agenda.

I think we all know that Jews are intristically superior.  How else could they do such a good job of controlling all the worlds money and governments?

BTW for the sarcasm-impaired, that was a "joke"

Terrible, a very bad joke.

Its 1945. Two jews walk into an american bar. The bartenders says to one"why the long face?"

ahhahhahahaahahhhahaah

 

[musik_man]

In the 15th and 16th centuries slaves were imported from Europe to North Africa. Slave-taking persisted into the 19th century when Barbary pirates would capture ships and enslave the crew. In all, about 1.5 million Europeans were transported to the Barbary Coast. It was a period when Europe was preoccupied by sectarian wars and European navies were depleted. The trade was run by expelled Moors and the slaving expeditions were often captained by Europeans with North African crews. In the early 19th century, European powers started to take action to free Christian slaves. The first major action was the bombardment of Algiers in 1816.

emmdoubleww

1) Only if you exclude every other empire in the history of the world. (Ottoman, Mongol, etc)
2) ummm ok
3) thought someone would say that
4) Whatever you think about about math, between modern Europe and the Greeks, Europe has contributed to most of it.  And Europe did create the basis of modern physics and later chemistry.
5) Size is not necessisarily what governs the ability to cross the ocean(not that I know exactly what does.)  I honestly have no clue whether those boats could have made it accross the Pacific, or if Chinese sailors were experienced/crazy enough to even attempt it.

[steveie986]

5) Size is not necessisarily what governs the ability to cross the ocean(not that I know exactly what does.)  I honestly have no clue whether those boats could have made it accross the Pacific, or if Chinese sailors were experienced/crazy enough to even attempt it.

If Columbus' tiny ships could have made it, the huge Ming fleet could certainly have as well. Like you said, size doesn't govern the ability to cross oceans. You simply decide to cross the ocean. The Vikings demonstrated that you can cross oceans in fairly primitive boats. Why did the chicken cross the ocean? Because he wanted to get on the other side. Crossing the ocean means nothing about technological merit. Some believe that many Pacific Islanders arrived on canoes.

[gilad]

Its 1945. Two jews walk into an american bar. The bartenders says to one"why the long face?"

Today was holocaust rememberance day rimv, that one just hit a nerve.

[Siberian Husky]

Today was holocaust rememberance day rimv, that one just hit a nerve.

you cant expect much out of a shithole forum like this..i wouldnt worry about it

oh and its amazing the ignorance thats being thrown around like feces in this thread..

the 14 voted for white and the 2 voted for black is nothing suprising in this forum...

this poll yields retarted results regardless of how objective you want to put it because this forum is predominantly frequented by those who value western belief systems..

of course those of african decent will have the least amount of votes simpy because upon first impression we pass opinion based on the prism of a western social construct..in other words...based on western values and customs..

someone here mentioned that they voted for white because they were the first on their feet and the first to administer any sort of authority over lands with power...and also land, posession, power, and other superficial values are embraced and emphasized in Eurocentristic social constructs, they are not values in African tribe-like cultures...

oh..and the only explanation i have for that high percentage of asian votage is a bunch of yall of asian decent who were introduced to piano through parental encouragement..nothin wrong with that....this poll just reminds me more of a survey....

because if you REALLY analyze the poll results..

these numbers accurately reflect the kinds of people that frequent this forum..

white/caucasians leading..
asians right behind them..
and the colored folk trailing a bit far behind..

whens the last time you saw a black guy post?...enough said...please lock this bullshit thread

[steveie986]

you cant expect much out of a shithole forum like this..i wouldnt worry about it

oh and its amazing the ignorance thats being thrown around like feces in this thread..

the 14 voted for white and the 2 voted for black is nothing suprising in this forum...

this poll yields retarted results regardless of how objective you want to put it because this forum is predominantly frequented by those who value western belief systems..

of course those of african decent will have the least amount of votes simpy because upon first impression we pass opinion based on the prism of a western social construct..in other words...based on western values and customs..

someone here mentioned that they voted for white because they were the first on their feet and the first to administer any sort of authority over lands with power...and also land, posession, power, and other superficial values are embraced and emphasized in Eurocentristic social constructs, they are not values in African tribe-like cultures...

oh..and the only explanation i have for that high percentage of asian votage is a bunch of yall of asian decent who were introduced to piano through parental encouragement..nothin wrong with that....this poll just reminds me more of a survey....

because if you REALLY analyze the poll results..

these numbers accurately reflect the kinds of people that frequent this forum..

white/caucasians leading..
asians right behind them..
and the colored folk trailing a bit far behind..

whens the last time you saw a black guy post?...enough said...please lock this bullshit thread

You have a profound grasp of the obvious.

[Siberian Husky]

You have a profound grasp of the obvious.

you fail at textbook sarcasm..and you have failed at the funny

/yourself

[steveie986]

you fail at textbook sarcasm..and you have failed at the funny

/yourself

Eh? I wasn't trying to be sarcastic or funny. I was just pointing out the remarkable simplicity and lucidity of your observation to the other idiots on this board who may not be so gifted at grasping the obvious. Come on, please don't be cynical. One should accept compliments without suspicion. Let's be friends!

BTW, are you farker? I ask because you are clearly very witty and intelligent, and I love the way you use /'s. So hawt and dramatic.

Let's inject some love into this loveless thread.

*Group inter-racial hug*

 

[Siberian Husky]

you obviosly <3 the internet

[Siberian Husky]

alot

[steveie986]

No, I just <33333 you.

 

[Siberian Husky]

.

[Siberian Husky]

you seem to be very popular on this internet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/steveie986

can you explain THIS?..Steveie986

[steveie986]

Siberian Husky do you even play the piano? Or are you just a Mexican thug?

[Siberian Husky]

i play..not religiously although i wish i had the time to

but i play some beethoven, chopin, a bit of mozart..you know the overplayed war horses..and video game music as well...

im no thug..quite opposite in fact..im very anti violence

[steveie986]

Awesome.

 

[Siberian Husky]

  :dongah:  :dongah: :dongah: :ziff: