Incredibly controversial topic

[rimv2]

I am an American!!!



Discuss. Vent. Lemme have it. I can rebutle anything youz all throw at me

[pianistimo]

why do the guys look like they are wearing makeup? 

i'm not anti-american - but i don't think these guys can fight if they are putting on makeup.  (eyeliner, too?)  it turns me off even when i see a 'fashion designer' wearing eyeliner.  but, guess that on tv people ahve to have blemishes covered or whatever.  but, int he army?  who has time to look taht good?  besides, i find guys that are 'ala natural' looking more manly - and even if they don't fight - at least they look like they could.

[henrah]

Ummm.....pianistimo, they're puppets....


As for you Rim....BOO HISS BOO! You have a government that lies, and a President that is overly fond of cheese burgers!

Rebute that
Henrah

[pianistimo]

btw, i think war has become less 'army' and more bombing potential.  armies are sort irrelevant, if you think about it.  we have to really be on the lookout for dirty bombs.  the funny thing is, is that when you see a large cargo come in and barely be checked, or a truck drive by with no license plate - what are you going to do?  follow it?  what if it was the worst?  do you act like you're the FBI and get involved in a serious case or is there some telephone number we're supposed to call.  national security reminds me of wearing an orange jacket and waving traffic here and there. 

to me, the idea of prayer is of utmost importance.  we are told to pray for our leaders and i pray this problem with iran will somehow go away.  unfortunately, the way things look - we stepped into a snake pit.  it's that we have done some stupid things.  usually not as stupid as other countries in terms of genocides and stuff - but, we have to learn (just as every other country) where our blessings actually came from and look to God again.  otherwise, they will simply vanish as they already are day to day. 

i take comfort that 'if the worst happens' it will all lead to the best.  Christ's return.  maybe He's showing us that we are all at fault and we all need a better way. 

[thalbergmad]

  but, we have to learn (just as every other country) where our blessings actually came from and look to God again.  otherwise, they will simply vanish as they already are day to day. 

i take comfort that 'if the worst happens' it will all lead to the best.  Christ's return.  maybe He's showing us that we are all at fault and we all need a better way. 

I challenge you to post without mentioning God or Jesus.

[rimv2]

Ummm.....pianistimo, they're puppets....


As for you Rim....BOO HISS BOO! You have a government that lies, and a President that is overly fond of cheese burgers!

Rebute that
Henrah

Thats's the spirit.

MORE!!!!


MORE!!!!!

[jason2711]

Well, I'm Irish, you Americans are great.  We go over to USA and get welcomed like we're heroes, you come over here and we rip you off! (whoever thought guinness would be so profitable for such a terrible drink? )

 (well, I'm Northern Irish, and a British-siding one at that, but still...  )

[alwaystheangel]

over half your population is overweight and a great deal are morbidly obese, yet across an ocean, millions are starving to death everyday. 

[jason2711]

over half your population is overweight and a great deal are morbidly obese, yet across an ocean, millions are starving to death everyday. 

and all you think about is making war with them 

[stevie]

would i rather make war or love with mizz xtina, HARD choice

[jason2711]

would i rather make war or love with mizz xtina, HARD choice

good point, it is indeed a HARD choice (I hope you weren't inferring some sort of pun there...)

[musik_man]

over half your population is overweight and a great deal are morbidly obese, yet across an ocean, millions are starving to death everyday. 

Why do you hate fat people?  Being thin doesn't make you better than anyone elso, so shut it.

[jre58591]

Why do you hate fat people?  Being thin doesn't make you better than anyone elso, so shut it.

yeah but being fat shortens your life in many ways.

[Bob]

I think those puppets look creepy and I don't like the idea of a whole movie with cheap puppets as the characters.  I think I remember seeing previews from that movie.  I don't plan on wasting time on it.

Team America sounds kind of dorky.

The idea of hyping up America policing the world is interesting.  I think the US is stabilizing a lot of the world.  Generally doing good.  I don't think the US always has business everywhere, but I think it can easily get dragged into things.

South Park creators... might be ok.

Put the F back in freedom?  Huh?  Where was the F before?  Was it Reedom?  Where did the F go?  That keeps the S alive in Stupid.

[Kassaa]

I think those puppets look creepy and I don't like the idea of a whole movie with cheap puppets as the characters.  I think I remember seeing previews from that movie.  I don't plan on wasting time on it.

Team America sounds kind of dorky.

The idea of hyping up America policing the world is interesting.  I think the US is stabilizing a lot of the world.  Generally doing good.  I don't think the US always has business everywhere, but I think it can easily get dragged into things.

South Park creators... might be ok.

Put the F back in freedom?  Huh?  Where was the F before?  Was it Reedom?  Where did the F go?  That keeps the S alive in Stupid.

The movie is absolutely genius. and imo a must see.

[rimv2]

I think those puppets look creepy and I don't like the idea of a whole movie with cheap puppets as the characters.  I think I remember seeing previews from that movie.  I don't plan on wasting time on it.

Team America sounds kind of dorky.

The idea of hyping up America policing the world is interesting.  I think the US is stabilizing a lot of the world.  Generally doing good.  I don't think the US always has business everywhere, but I think it can easily get dragged into things.

South Park creators... might be ok.

Put the F back in freedom?  Huh?  Where was the F before?  Was it Reedom?  Where did the F go?  That keeps the S alive in Stupid.

When you dis the puppets, you've gone too far...

Watch it before you judge it jerk!!!

over half your population is overweight and a great deal are morbidly obese, yet across an ocean, millions are starving to death everyday.

And the world is quickly following. AHAHHAHAHAHA

https://www.esrcsocietytoday.ac.uk/ESRCInfoCentre/facts/UK/index55.aspx?ComponentId=12741&SourcePageId=14975
https://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/03/news/obese.php
https://www.oxha.org/initiatives/capcod/2005-workshop-newsletter

Ah particularly like this one

https://www.cycle-helmets.com/helmet-health.html


Even the third world

https://foodisworse.typepad.com/blog/2005/06/index.html

You have a government that lies, and a President that is overly fond of cheese burgers!

Rebute that
Henrah

Sorry, our goverment doesnt lie. It merely tells the truth as it sees it at the moment. If now the truth is something different now from what is was then, it cant be held responsible . As for cheese burgers, the president doesnt like the burgers themselves, just the companies that make them

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH


GIMME MORE!!!!!

[henrah]

[quote author=Bob link=topic=17995.The idea of hyping up America policing the world is interesting.


Put the F back in freedom? Huh? Where was the F before? Was it Reedom? Where did the F go? That keeps the S alive in Stupid.

They don't hype it up, they rip the piss out of it and the Americans, even though they are American!


And I'm dumbfounded that your intelligence hasn't noticed that the 'F back in Freedom' was showing the entire premise of the film: that American's are stupid at war. But then again, you haven't seen it, so I apologise.....and also DEMAND THAT YOU SEE IT!!!


Rim, your President is silly. He had to pre-rehearse a speech that was supposed to be live and uncripted to militants in Iraq. And he's stupid.


And he's dumb.

And retarded.



I could go on. Shall I?

[kelly_kelly]

Our President is an idiot.

But if he were assasinated, Cheney would take his place 

[musik_man]

[quote author=Bob link=topic=17995.The idea of hyping up America policing the world is interesting.


Put the F back in freedom? Huh? Where was the F before? Was it Reedom? Where did the F go? That keeps the S alive in Stupid.

They don't hype it up, they rip the piss out of it and the Americans, even though they are American!


And I'm dumbfounded that your intelligence hasn't noticed that the 'F back in Freedom' was showing the entire premise of the film: that American's are stupid at war. But then again, you haven't seen it, so I apologise.....and also DEMAND THAT YOU SEE IT!!!


Rim, your President is silly. He had to pre-rehearse a speech that was supposed to be live and uncripted to militants in Iraq. And he's stupid.


And he's dumb.

And retarded.



I could go on. Shall I?

You do realize that the film spoofs liberals, not conservatives.  Seeing as how Hollywood actors join up with Kim Jong Il...

(this should be more than apparent to anyone who's seen South Park)

[musik_man]

yeah but being fat shortens your life in many ways.

Being mildy overweight is actually beneficial.  Skinny suckas like me are screwed.

[alwaystheangel]

Why do you hate fat people?  Being thin doesn't make you better than anyone elso, so shut it.

I don't hate fat people, I hate consummerism which goes hand in hand with obesity, and I correct my percentage, I read in TIME that it's actually 2/3 are overwieght of obese.
The problem with obesity is that
A) it kills them and
B)They don't need to eat that much and
C)what about the rest of the world, something stupid like 90% of our ressources are being used bu north America (I'm lumped in there too) andwe certainly don't contain the bulk of it although Japan, China and Inida are likely close behind.

I'm ignoring you steve.

[Kassaa]

Why do you hate fat people?  Being thin doesn't make you better than anyone elso, so shut it.

They tend to take in more space than they are worth.

[stevie]

I'm ignoring you steve.

im ignoring you too, mildly 

[musik_man]

I don't hate fat people, I hate consummerism which goes hand in hand with obesity, and I correct my percentage, I read in TIME that it's actually 2/3 are overwieght of obese.
The problem with obesity is that
A) it kills them and
B)They don't need to eat that much and
C)what about the rest of the world, something stupid like 90% of our ressources are being used bu north America (I'm lumped in there too) andwe certainly don't contain the bulk of it although Japan, China and Inida are likely close behind.

I'm ignoring you steve.

90% wow  Common sense should've told you that was false.  The USA's GDP is ~10 trillion.  Europe's alone is above that.  Of course this whole thing is stupid.  Wealth is created not stolen.

[prometheus]

Resources are stolen.

[gruffalo]

Sorry, our goverment doesnt lie.

lmao that is ridiculous. (statement targeted at both US and British government).

[rimv2]

I don't hate fat people, I hate consummerism which goes hand in hand with obesity, and I correct my percentage, I read in TIME that it's actually 2/3 are overwieght of obese.
The problem with obesity is that
A) it kills them and
B)They don't need to eat that much and
C)what about the rest of the world, something stupid like 90% of our ressources are being used bu north America (I'm lumped in there too) andwe certainly don't contain the bulk of it although Japan, China and Inida are likely close behind.

I'm ignoring you steve.

The world is fat. There are fat people in africa and asia. Get over it

[quote author=Bob link=topic=17995.The idea of hyping up America policing the world is interesting.


Put the F back in freedom? Huh? Where was the F before? Was it Reedom? Where did the F go? That keeps the S alive in Stupid.

Rim, your President is silly. He had to pre-rehearse a speech that was supposed to be live and uncripted to militants in Iraq. And he's stupid.

And he's dumb.

And retarded.

I could go on. Shall I?

Considering the majority of his speech are unscripted, It's not surprising he would take a  break. Ah mean you can only use "the strongest military in the world" so many times before people become de-sensitized. And to call him both retarded and silly- shame on you. Making fun of the mentally handicapped. But why's a retard your president?

Cause in a America, we dont fu---ing descriminated

And intelligence is relative anyway. To many people Einstein was a genius. To meh, he's just a regular old guy

90% wow Common sense should've told you that was false. The USA's GDP is ~10 trillion. Europe's alone is above that. Of course this whole thing is stupid. Wealth is created not stolen.

Comparing a coutry against a continent - bravo.

*shakes hand*

Resources are stolen.

Yes it's interesting you should mention that

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4307813.stm

[henrah]

lol, I was trying to give you more things to rebute

He's not as dumb or retarded as the media makes him out to be, or else he wouldn't have ever made it as far as an election campaign.

Unless it's the American dream that allows a burger loving stupid texan to become the most made-fun-of President ever Again, just to rebute please.


If anything, I applaud George Double-yah for keeping his tether, and not going nukie-wukie on anyone that rips the piss out of him. In fact, I'd shake his hand for openly and publicly allowing a looky-likey to say a proper presidential speech whilst G.W.B takes the piss out of himself. But I'd probably get shot before I even get on the grass...
Henrah


P.S. I hope he gets another term, we need this kind of humour. I just hope that if he does, someone takes over his decisions and he just becomes a target of humiliation... though that might lead to depression, and I don't want to see a huge fat George Double-yah comfort eating on cheese burgers for the rest of his life.

[alwaystheangel]

90% wow  Common sense should've told you that was false.  The USA's GDP is ~10 trillion.  Europe's alone is above that.  Of course this whole thing is stupid.  Wealth is created not stolen.

i was just leaving the house, I didn't have time to look over my message, my appologies I also stated that it was something LIKE 92%

I have to go, I will continue this discussion with the proper number when I find it

[alwaystheangel]

I found this:


https://www.foodproductiondaily.com/news/ng.asp?id=56340&n=dh330&c=tzlvsrxywshqwyj

What he found was that not only is edible food discarded that could feed people who need it, but the rate of loss, even partially corrected, could save US consumers and manufacturers tens of billions of dollars each year. Jones says these losses also can be framed in terms of environmental degradation and national security.

Jones' research evolved from and builds on earlier work done at the University of Arizona. Archaeologists there began measuring garbage in the 1970s to see what was being thrown away and discovered that people were not fully aware of what they were using and discarding.

Those earlier studies evolved into more sophisticated research using contemporary archaeology and ethnography to understand not only the path food travels from farms and orchards to landfills, but also the culture and psychology behind the process.

The fact that the US is a wasteful nation is not necessarily news, of course. The country has long has been chastised for its wilful consumption of the world's resources, and many aspects of the country's culture encapsulate what environmentalists disparagingly refer to as today's "throw-away society."

Americans used produce between 3.3 to 4 pounds of garbage a day (babies probably produce more )


Brazil
in 2000
Waste streams
 Tonnes
 
Household waste
 38,486,323 tonnes
 
Public waste
 11,226,931 tonnes
 
Healthcare waste
 1,180,800 tonnes
 

 
Finland:
 

Total waste generation in year 2000:
 
 ‘000 tonnes Year

2000
 
Household waste

Domestic waste
Bulky waste             
Garden waste           
Other                       
 2 760

 
 
Institutions/trade and offices
 
 
Manufacturing industry etc.
 14 500
 
Building and construction
 1 400
 
Wastewater treatment plants
 160
 
Slag, fly ash etc. (coal)
 770
 
Others, hazardous waste   
 1203
 
Total
 20 633


 
It is commonly quoted that 400-435 million tonnes of wastes are generated in the UK each year

I am unable to find stats for US or Canada.
This info is from: https://www.iswa.org/uploadfiles/Final_Waste_Info_1_oktober.htm



But this is going way off on a tangent. Team America was amusing, satirized many flaws in the American Ideology and had the best speech ever:

We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks.
And the Film Actors Guild are pussies.
Kim Jong Il is an ***.

Pussies don't like dicks because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also *** assholes. Assholes that just want to *** on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can *** a *** is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is they *** too much or *** when it isn't appropriate. And it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes pussies can be so full of *** that they become assholes themselves. Because pussies are a inch and half away from assholes. I don't know much about this crazy crazy world, but I do know this. If you don't let us *** this *** we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in ***.

 

It's amusing, it's offensive, it's an escape from reality with a bunch of dumbness, meh.
The End.

[soliloquy]

That movie was the dumbest movie I've ever seen in a theater.  I actually got my money back.  It's for 14 year old boys who will probably eventually drop out of high school.  They think a 20 second vomit scene, cursing ever 4 seconds, a 2 minute puppet sex scene and mocking the most stupidly obvious/basic political controversies at the most stupidly obvious/basic levels is "witty" and "satirical".


Anyone who thinks this movie is intelligent in any way, shape or form probably has an IQ of about 60, or is no older than 12.

[lilypiano]

Has he eaten a lot of cheeseburgers? I didn't know about that.  He's in good shape and a runner.  I don't like him though. He's made the government bigger.
 

lol, I was trying to give you more things to rebute

He's not as dumb or retarded as the media makes him out to be, or else he wouldn't have ever made it as far as an election campaign.

Unless it's the American dream that allows a burger loving stupid texan to become the most made-fun-of President ever Again, just to rebute please.


If anything, I applaud George Double-yah for keeping his tether, and not going nukie-wukie on anyone that rips the piss out of him. In fact, I'd shake his hand for openly and publicly allowing a looky-likey to say a proper presidential speech whilst G.W.B takes the piss out of himself. But I'd probably get shot before I even get on the grass...
Henrah


P.S. I hope he gets another term, we need this kind of humour. I just hope that if he does, someone takes over his decisions and he just becomes a target of humiliation... though that might lead to depression, and I don't want to see a huge fat George Double-yah comfort eating on cheese burgers for the rest of his life.

[musik_man]

Always, you should read this.  It's by Tim Hartford an economist.

Dear Economist,

Around South America hundreds of children have held their hands out to me and I’ve ignored many and felt terrible. But my £1 can be worth six of their currency - will I still go to heaven?

Yours sincerely

Natalie Chalk, by e-mail


Dear Natalie,

You would be astonished how difficult it is to give money away properly. Because there are few good jobs in poor countries, the understandable generosity of relatively wealthy visitors risks turning begging into a comparatively attractive profession - which is a self-defeating process.

Imagine that a poor farmer can make £1 a day, and a beggar can make £5 a day. Who would be a farmer? Farmers will leave the fields to beg until five times as many beggars are chasing the same tourists, returns collapse to a £1 a day, and the rest of the farmers continue farming. Similar reasoning applies to where families send their children: to the fields, to school or to the streets? For the same reason, guides and taxi drivers will wait hours or days for the single lucrative tourist. This doesn’t do anyone any good.

It’s true that begging often carries a stigma. Perhaps farmers would rather farm for £1 than beg for £2. Unfortunately, this is no better: your money is still doing nothing more than compensating beggars for the stigma of begging.

This process of “rent-dissipation” is not limited to beggars. For instance, the net benefit of being crushed but getting cheap goodies in the New Year sales should be roughly zero - otherwise more people would be there in the scrum...

[prometheus]

Haha, yes we should all eat more cheese burgers...

[henrah]

Anyone who thinks this movie is intelligent in any way, shape or form probably has an IQ of about 60, or is no older than 12.

I'm 17, and supposedly have an IQ of 140 - though I think it's actually 130 odd - and I love that movie! I think it is highly intelligent, though probably creating it's own cliche at the same time by conforming to the stupidity of American movies to make it easier on American viewers. That d*ck, pussies and a**holes speech is class, and will go down in history! It has such a deep connotation, and yet is also funny because it is telling the truth about our own genitals. A**holes really do cover everything in sh*t

Anyway, my point is: Matt and Trey are both very smart, and know the true act behind government, and like to express it in many hilarious ways. They thought of an ingenious way of expressing their feelings towards many actors and actresses of today, inventing the idea of a Film Actors Guild. Now that's smart!

And Soliloquy, you have a very normal sense of humour (or lack of maybe) if you don't find the continuous vomiting funny. It's the over exaggeration that makes me laugh so hard, and that's what's so great about having a British sense of humour

[rimv2]

lol, I was trying to give you more things to rebute

He's not as dumb or retarded as the media makes him out to be, or else he wouldn't have ever made it as far as an election campaign.

Unless it's the American dream that allows a burger loving stupid texan to become the most made-fun-of President ever Again, just to rebute please.

Anything's possible in this country.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/ug18.html
https://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/mb8.html

If anything, I applaud George Double-yah for keeping his tether, and not going nukie-wukie on anyone that rips the piss out of him. In fact, I'd shake his hand for openly and publicly allowing a looky-likey to say a proper presidential speech whilst G.W.B takes the piss out of himself. But I'd probably get shot before I even get on the grass...
Henrah

He laughs as a defense mechanism.

P.S. I hope he gets another term, we need this kind of humour. I just hope that if he does, someone takes over his decisions and he just becomes a target of humiliation... though that might lead to depression, and I don't want to see a huge fat George Double-yah comfort eating on cheese burgers for the rest of his life.

Some one already make his decisions for him

That movie was the dumbest movie I've ever seen in a theater. I actually got my money back. It's for 14 year old boys who will probably eventually drop out of high school. They think a 20 second vomit scene, cursing ever 4 seconds, a 2 minute puppet sex scene and mocking the most stupidly obvious/basic political controversies at the most stupidly obvious/basic levels is "witty" and "satirical".


Anyone who thinks this movie is intelligent in any way, shape or form probably has an IQ of about 60, or is no older than 12.

160 Beotch

Has he eaten a lot of cheeseburgers?

Our administration is not currently allowed to divulge this information

I'm 17, and supposedly have an IQ of 140 - though I think it's actually 130 odd - and I love that movie! I think it is highly intelligent, though probably creating it's own cliche at the same time by conforming to the stupidity of American movies to make it easier on American viewers. That d*ck, pussies and a**holes speech is class, and will go down in history! It has such a deep connotation, and yet is also funny because it is telling the truth about our own genitals. A**holes really do cover everything in sh*t

Anyway, my point is: Matt and Trey are both very smart, and know the true act behind government, and like to express it in many hilarious ways. They thought of an ingenious way of expressing their feelings towards many actors and actresses of today, inventing the idea of a Film Actors Guild. Now that's smart!

And Soliloquy, you have a very normal sense of humour (or lack of maybe) if you don't find the continuous vomiting funny. It's the over exaggeration that makes me laugh so hard, and that's what's so great about having a British sense of humour

Finally a foreigner says something Ah can agree with

[leahcim]

It's by Tim Hartford an economist.

Dear Tim,

Imagine that a poor farmer can make £1 a day and his child £5 a day from begging.
The farmer uses this extra cash to educate the child who goes to university and creates mega-corp with a turnover of $4.2Billion, and to buy a big piece of land and a tractor so he then makes £50 a day employing £1 farmers and £3M a year selling the yield to his son's business. The people who will be £1 a day farmers are those who read your letter in the economist.

p.s did you get £1 a day for writing it? Buy a pig with it and start farming otherwise everyone will be doing it.

[musik_man]

Dear Tim,

Imagine that a poor farmer can make £1 a day and his child £5 a day from begging.
The farmer uses this extra cash to educate the child who goes to university and creates mega-corp with a turnover of $4.2Billion, and to buy a big piece of land and a tractor so he then makes £50 a day employing £1 farmers and £3M a year selling the yield to his son's business. The people who will be £1 a day farmers are those who read your letter in the economist.

p.s did you get £1 a day for writing it? Buy a pig with it and start farming otherwise everyone will be doing it.

So you think that corporations, one of the foundations of capitalism, cheat all their workers.  If that were true, independent farmers would earn $2 and corporate farmers $1.  Of course your bit about a tractor is much more close to what a corporation would do.  Supply capital and an infrastructure.  Obviously, the people who do those things also need to get payed. 

[prometheus]

Why would corporations pay more money to independent farmers than they pay to their contracted farmers?

Do corporations even buy from independent farmers?

[musik_man]

Why would corporations pay more money to independent farmers than they pay to their contracted farmers?

Do corporations even buy from independent farmers?

A corporate farm wouldn't be buying crops from the independent farmer.  The independent would sell his crops at market prices elsewhere. 

[prometheus]

Sure, so your argument makes not sense. Who 'controls' the market price?

[musik_man]

Sure, so your argument makes not sense. Who 'controls' the market price?

...

The market...

(remember those supply and demand charts from econ 101)

[prometheus]

Yes, and the market is dominated by corporations. So the corporations influence the prices.

I mean, those people deserve to get more money for their products. But they do not get any more because of the way the market works.

And let's not forget the state support for western farmers. Those influence the market as well.

A friend of me works for Cargill and she wants to quit her job because Cargill is so bad it makes her feel guilty. And this when she isn't even in the section of the company that has anything to do with the stealing of resources.

[musik_man]

Yes, and the market is dominated by corporations. So the corporations influence the prices.

I mean, those people deserve to get more money for their products. But they do not get any more because of the way the market works.

The only way that corporations decide the price is through a monopoly or price fixing, both of which are illegal.

BTW a good example of how a market works are MMORPGS.  Play FFXI for a few weeks and you'll see how prices work.

[musik_man]

And let's not forget the state support for western farmers. Those influence the market as well.

A friend of me works for Cargill and she wants to quit her job because Cargill is so bad it makes her feel guilty. And this when she isn't even in the section of the company that has anything to do with the stealing of resources.

I find Western Subsidies completely indefensible.

[prometheus]

I played Ultima Online, a game which has many people to focus entirely on craft and trade, and the markets are all flawed and screwed up. I though you were an economist, though I do not know why. Surely all of them are flawed. I do not know the details of FFXI but I can't imagine how this program can be both a game and a realistic market model.

I never said corporations decide on a price. I only said that the market works in such a way it is possible to limit the amount of money payed to third world farmers. Why don't they get payed more?

I expected that you would find the indefensible. But as long as they exist we cannot talk about capitalism and markets won't work properly in the capitalist way.

It is like defending communism while ignoring the atrocities it seemed to inflict because these are not a part of the strict communist ideology. Communism proposes a strong state. The stronger a state the more the violence. Same with capitalism. If you defend capitalism you also need to consider the unwanted side effects.

[musik_man]

I played Ultima Online, a game which has many people to focus entirely on craft and trade, and the markets are all flawed and screwed up. I though you were an economist, though I do not know why. Surely all of them are flawed. I do not know the details of FFXI but I can't imagine how this program can be both a game and a realistic market model.

I never said corporations decide on a price. I only said that the market works in such a way it is possible to limit the amount of money payed to third world farmers. Why don't they get payed more?

How are they screwed up?  The markets in FFXI work very well.  The largest commodity were Moat Carp, a fish used in a quest to get a rare fishing rod.  The price normally was in the 400gil range.  When there was a glut of Carp in the auction house, the price would drop to 350.  When there was a shortage, you might have to pay 500-600gil for a stack.  It's all about supply and demand.

[prometheus]

In the game I played gold is the currency. Gold is added by killing monsters. Monsters spawn out of nothing every once in a while.

This means that over time the economy will inflate itself out of existance. And this is what happened. Gold now is worth 40 times less when compared with the game economy a year after the game started. At least this is what people that still play have told me.

[musik_man]

I played Ultima Online, a game which has many people to focus entirely on craft and trade, and the markets are all flawed and screwed up. I though you were an economist, though I do not know why. Surely all of them are flawed. I do not know the details of FFXI but I can't imagine how this program can be both a game and a realistic market model.

I never said corporations decide on a price. I only said that the market works in such a way it is possible to limit the amount of money payed to third world farmers. Why don't they get payed more?

I expected that you would find the indefensible. But as long as they exist we cannot talk about capitalism and markets won't work properly in the capitalist way.

It is like defending communism while ignoring the atrocities it seemed to inflict because these are not a part of the strict communist ideology. Communism proposes a strong state. The stronger a state the more the violence. Same with capitalism. If you defend capitalism you also need to consider the unwanted side effects.

Third world farmers get payed so little because they produce so little. (and because of Western agricultural subsidies)  Many don't produce much more than necessary to feed themselves.  They lack the infrastructure and rule of law that we have.  A third world farmer doesn't have tractors or fertilizers among many other things.  They also have corrupt governments that prevent growth from occuring.  How exactly would a corporation prevent a third world farmer from being paid?  There must be some mechanism through which they coerce them.

There are of corse areas where the market doesn't work.  Items like Roads, police, national defense or the environment.  Capitalism has its flaws, but we don't live in a utopia.  No system solves every problem.  Not every problem is solvable.  Most of the solutions that you'd propose would leave us in a worse state than we started in.

[musik_man]

In the game I played gold is the currency. Gold is added by killing monsters. Monsters spawn out of nothing every once in a while.

This means that over time the economy will inflate itself out of existance. And this is what happened. Gold now is worth 40 times less when compared with the game economy a year after the game started. At least this is what people that still play have told me.

Same thing happens in real life.  Post WWI Germany would be the best example.  It in no way contradicts capitalism.  In fact it confirms it.  As the supply of gold increases, its value drops.