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« on: May 31, 2006, 09:48:56 PM »

Take a look at his age, then check out his repertoire and the time it supposedly took him to learn it. Finally screen his compositions/transcriptions. If this is real - then Marc-Andre has finally found his master !

http://br.geocities.com/arturcimirro/index_eng.htm

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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2006, 09:52:17 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2006, 10:47:29 PM »

I dont see anything, just some spanish bull  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2006, 11:36:07 PM »

Greetings.

I think it's real.
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2006, 02:29:53 AM »

hahahha http://br.geocities.com/arturcimirro/brah01.jpg

XD amazing.
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2006, 05:03:31 PM »

According to his repertoire list, he's never played a single Chopin or Mozart solo piece, but he's learned seven combined concertos from them?

My guess is he has astonishing sight-reading skills, and even if he's only "read through" a piece he will include it on his repertoire list.
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2006, 05:06:27 PM »

According to his repertoire list, he's never played a single Chopin or Mozart solo piece, but he's learned seven combined concertos from them?

My guess is he has astonishing sight-reading skills, and even if he's only "read through" a piece he will include it on his repertoire list.

I remember a pianist who came to town who, describing int heir bio how they filled in for another pianist's concerto performance at the last minute, that they had "never played the piece before."  Many people were impressed by the misleading statement, which really meant, "never performed the piece in public before."

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2006, 07:08:49 PM »

Where are the Etudes?  Angry

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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2006, 08:19:24 PM »

If this is real -

The list of concertos is probably a list of scores he has in his collection, many of which he hasn't even opened.
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2006, 10:58:52 PM »

WOW
how much this guy learned in just like 5 years of serious studying?!
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2006, 11:18:51 PM »

WOW
how much this guy learned in just like 5 years of serious studying?!

seriously  Shocked

so 5 years ago he starts learning twinkle little star, and now he plays the entire standard repertoire both solo and concertos, composes/transcribes, and expliores neglected as well as unknown composers works......


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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2006, 02:32:04 AM »

seriously  Shocked

so 5 years ago he starts learning twinkle little star, and now he plays the entire standard repertoire both solo and concertos, composes/transcribes, and expliores neglected as well as unknown composers works......


I quit Tongue Cool

Mastering just the Busoni, Brahms and Bartok concerti in 5 years of playing is an unbelievable feat!
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2006, 05:14:56 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2006, 06:45:17 AM »


I actually find myself with the opposite reaction.  Even if it's not real (which I have my doubts) just seeing it makes me feel like it's actually possible.   It makes me embrace my own musical desires.

You managed to capture in words what I had in my mind.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2006, 07:02:03 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2006, 05:36:32 PM »


  even, if he woud be genius, that's not posible to do, what is writen in his web.
  So.... Its complete nonsence!
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2006, 07:36:31 PM »

After 2 years of serious study (as an adult) he's performing Gaspard and the Liszt b minor sonata?

No.  Effing.  Way.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2006, 08:04:32 PM »

   Bearzin.....  Thats what i talking about!!!!
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2006, 08:55:41 PM »

what, gaspard, petruchka, dante sonata, b minor sonata, and w/e the fuk rudepoema is [sound tough, so im assuming it is]. That's retarded.... how come no one's heard of this guy?
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2006, 09:33:11 PM »

what, gaspard, petruchka, dante sonata, b minor sonata, and w/e the fuk rudepoema is [sound tough, so im assuming it is]. That's retarded.... how come no one's heard of this guy?

It could still sound bad, and also maybe he has 0 stage personality.

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2006, 09:34:13 PM »


I actually find myself with the opposite reaction.  Even if it's not real (which I have my doubts) just seeing it makes me feel like it's actually possible.   It makes me embrace my own musical desires.

That's very nice, but I can't help but wonder, isn't it a bit healthier to be inspired by someone who actually can do what they say (Fabio Bidini plays all those concertos, and more), then by a charlatan?

Walter Ramsey
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2006, 09:54:36 PM »

He's a pianist. Pianists arent real! They are the stuff legends are made of!  I have to say He's 24 - its possible. I believe that he is probably a very talented composer.  I do have more difficulty in believing the sheer voulume of his repertoire  particularly in the concerto range. Its very suspicious that he dosent list actual pieces in terms of solo repertoire. He cant play very much by each of those composers if indeed he does 'perform'works by them all.  I tell you what though if his first concert programme is bona fide (and im not disbelieving it) then I hope he's learnt something about programming. It really is bad taste to hack off all the most difficult pieces in one programme when there is no real though to how they flow or compliment oneanother.  I would like to hear his mp3's.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2006, 09:57:59 PM »

He's a pianist. Pianists arent real! They are the stuff legends are made of!  I have to say He's 24 - its possible. I believe that he is probably a very talented composer.  I do have more difficulty in believing the sheer voulume of his repertoire  particularly in the concerto range. Its very suspicious that he dosent list actual pieces in terms of solo repertoire. He cant play very much by each of those composers if indeed he does 'perform'works by them all.  I tell you what though if his first concert programme is bona fide (and im not disbelieving it) then I hope he's learnt something about programming. It really is bad taste to hack off all the most difficult pieces in one programme when there is no real though to how they flow or compliment oneanother.  I would like to hear his mp3's.

Hear, hear!

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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2006, 10:09:05 PM »

im not going to say if he is real or not, but surely someone who has covered so much repetoire in such short amount of time could be classed as a genious and therefore would be known by a high percentage of this forum.
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2006, 10:14:10 PM »

I believe that he is probably a very talented composer. 
Hmm... I've attached a midi of one of the physically impossible measures (literally) of one of his compositions for solo piano.  It is played twice, once with the left hand and once without, so you can actually hear what is happening in the right hand alone.  If he's not a joke, at least this piece is Lips Sealed

* wth.MID (1.02 KB - downloaded 111 times.)
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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2006, 11:24:39 PM »

im not going to say if he is real or not, but surely someone who has covered so much repetoire in such short amount of time could be classed as a genious and therefore would be known by a high percentage of this forum.

He is well known on gamingforce.

I shall send him a link to this thread for his amusement.

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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2006, 01:24:35 AM »

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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2006, 06:37:15 AM »

Yeah he's on Gamingforce, but no he's not a pianist.  He doesn't have any recordings up there, and myself, Ian Pace, Marc-Andre Hamelin, Nicholas Hodges and Mark Knoop have all not heard of him; out of all of us, if someone is playing Finnissy then we would know.  He also lists Sorabji in his repertoire; so if he were indeed the pianist he claims to be then Alistair would know him =P  Also, a search on Google/Ask/MSN on him revieled no results, and me and a couple of friends all seperately asked for future concert times, recordings and full repertoire lists and did not get a response.  Playing Finnissy/Sorabji in two years is also impossible.  Randomly I've never seen him in any piano competitions either, and while that doesn't really mean much it doesn't help his case.  Also, someone with this alleged skill would almost CERTAINLY have recorded, but there are no recordings by him.  And if he was a real pianist, he wouldn't be using some free google website; I can make a google website in 10 minutes and tell everyone I play OC and Cogluotobusletmesi; it's not hard.


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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2006, 08:53:42 AM »


99.999% BS

and youre only 99.998% BS?  Tongue Kiss
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2006, 08:56:30 AM »

He is well known on gamingforce.

I shall send him a link to this thread for his amusement.

Thal

yes, but a random forum picking up his website could know him, but he would be well known by people who dont even read his website on the internet. he would be known on all forums.
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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2006, 09:25:42 AM »

i just emailed him and he responded:
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Hello Mr.Gavriel,
Thank you for your e-mail,
as you can see in my homepage i'm a pianist starting my career, i have no comercial recordings yet.
I'm from Brazil and here isn't easy to record, anyway now i have a help by a famous brazilian pianist, so i'll make recordings and i'll upload it in my webpage,
please, always give a look on http://br.geocities.com/arturcimirro , i'll update it as soon as possible.
For Anton Rubinstein's works i play his four sonates and some studies, i think i have a recording on tape of the first sonate in audio only. (not so good audio quality)
for recordings of Finissy works, first i need his own permission to record, i never was requested to play his works in live concerts, i just played at home.
 
All the best
Artur Cimirro
http://br.geocities.com/arturcimirro

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On 6/2/06, Hod Gavriel <*******@netvision.net.il> wrote:
do  you have recordings of yourself?
i was really excited when i saw you play such a wide repertoire
 
i like anton rubinstein and finnisy a lot
could you send me some recordings please?

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well,  i think he forgot that he plays all of his piano concerti?
LOL!!
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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2006, 10:23:12 AM »

and youre only 99.998% BS?  Tongue Kiss

I think he is closer to 100%.
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« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2006, 10:32:53 AM »

Maybe he is shy  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2006, 10:49:46 AM »

One thing - Rachmaninov op. 1 work is not a concerto, it's the opera Aleko...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2006, 11:00:42 AM »

One thing - Rachmaninov op. 1 work is not a concerto, it's the opera Aleko...  Roll Eyes

No, his first work was the opera. His Opus 1 was the piano concerto No. 1 in F# minor.
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« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2006, 01:06:46 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2006, 02:42:35 PM »

Maybe he set up a website to fit his fantasy-self.   That is not illegal... it's a great idea actually  Grin.


Yes, it is.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thalsfantasyland/
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« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2006, 03:16:17 PM »

No, his first work was the opera. His Opus 1 was the piano concerto No. 1 in F# minor.

Oh, ummm, yeah... Sorry for the mystification, I looked at the wrong line...  *blush*
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« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2006, 04:44:09 PM »

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« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2006, 10:30:22 PM »

he meant to say that its a list of stuff that he wanted to play.
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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2015, 03:44:37 PM »

I'm sorry for resurrecting this dead thread. I'd like to know what your thoughts are about him now that he finally has some commercial recordings, one of which he's uploaded to YouTube:



In case someone wants to listen to some of his other recordings, I could upload another one or two OGG files here. The files I have here are from his Artur Cimirro Plays Stuart & Sons In Terra Australis CD:

1 - Nocturne Op.11
2 - Sheherazade
3 - Eccentric Prelude Op.8 No 1
4 - Eccentric Prelude Op.8 No 2
5 - Eccentric Prelude Op.8 No 3
6 - Dies Irae
7 - Eccentric Prelude Op.13 No 1
8 - Eccentric Prelude Op.13 No 2
9 - Czardas
10 - Psalm 121
11 - Carmina Burana

I'm personally acquainted to him, but I don't understand music to evaluate him. Would be nice hearing what you think. Does this make it look more like he's for real or do most of you still consider him a charlatan?

Maybe it seems like he's a good pianist, but his repertoire still looks too surreal? What are your thoughts?
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« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2016, 11:34:55 PM »

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
That was one of the funniest things I have seen in my life
I have been out of forums since so long time that I could never imagined I would find a post like this one day
and that is a long time it was first posted... I must admit I'm not sure anymore if i'm real or not :-P

Well, what we have here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPOBpluYD8A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n55pEu4YgSI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kZljYj0Tko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6YJ_w6Qfbc

I'm still not sure...

If someone wants a recording of mine with orchestras i deeply encorage you to manage a concert of mine with an orchestra, and let's see If i'm real or not... I'm in!
(Only please, do not ask me to write to any conductor imploring to him, as I do not trust in their interest in art - their world usually is about money and marketing - I'm a poor brazilian (not spanish) who cares for art only.)

If piano solo is enough, wait a little bit more, there are a lot of new recordings happening now, acte prealable is going to publish it together with the 2 already published Tausig/Michalowski and the 2 Zichy.
The sponsroship of my country never happened, so it is easy to understand why it takes so long time to have my CDs on the market...

Serious, people, that was funny...

All the best
Artur Cimirro
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« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2016, 03:01:25 PM »

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
That was one of the funniest things I have seen in my life
I have been out of forums since so long time that I could never imagined I would find a post like this one day
and that is a long time it was first posted... I must admit I'm not sure anymore if i'm real or not :-P

Well, what we have here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPOBpluYD8A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n55pEu4YgSI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kZljYj0Tko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6YJ_w6Qfbc

I'm still not sure...

If someone wants a recording of mine with orchestras i deeply encorage you to manage a concert of mine with an orchestra, and let's see If i'm real or not... I'm in!
(Only please, do not ask me to write to any conductor imploring to him, as I do not trust in their interest in art - their world usually is about money and marketing - I'm a poor brazilian (not spanish) who cares for art only.)

If piano solo is enough, wait a little bit more, there are a lot of new recordings happening now, acte prealable is going to publish it together with the 2 already published Tausig/Michalowski and the 2 Zichy.
The sponsroship of my country never happened, so it is easy to understand why it takes so long time to have my CDs on the market...

Serious, people, that was funny...

All the best
Artur Cimirro

Hi Artur
Yes, you are indeed real-- and have done an excellent job.   I watched parts of your YouTube documentary as well, as was impressed with the creative compositions you have done based on science.

Based wishes on your album release.

DP
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« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2016, 03:15:20 PM »

Artur,
Welcome to Pianostreet.  You are indeed real and amazing!!!
I understand you were self-taught until you studied with Leandro Faber.  How did you acquire your incredible technique?
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« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2016, 04:35:17 PM »

Thank you for your kindness,
I had some classes with a private teacher in a first moment, but this was a kind of Claydermann-enthusiastic-like, so I can't say I had any information about real piano playing. But after some months she let me use her piano for free during the next 3 years while I was "discovering" Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt, etc. So I studied alone.
After some time I had my university experience, and when I mentioned I wanted to be a pianist someone told me: "you need be born again in Russia, and start piano with 3 years old".  Roll Eyes
Once I couldn't find a "reborning machine" (hope the word is possible in English  Grin ) I made my own way.
I spent every and all days of my life studying during the next years. reading, playing, and researching on technical difficult repertoire. There was no life to me out of the piano room.
With time and dedication a lot of things become part of you, but believe or not, I was not thinking about technique, I was trying to find the right "sound" - the music. That was probably the most important tip by Faber
I still enjoy the challenges of a difficult piece, but the interesting to me is making music of it.

After some time I avoided listening recordings because I started to find too much inconsistencies regarding the musical scores in comparison to the recordings of the famous pianists. This was the beginning of my theory on the "Scientific Interpretation System or Musical Hermeneutics", which is a book now.
 
Then I noticed there was (and still is) an abyss between you cultivate your brain and have results, and you find the "job" as pianist and/or composer in any place in the world.
When you start no one listen to you, no one pay attention, and believe or not, some people even say you are not real!!!!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

So, it is a matter of patience and love. What more can I say?
I recommend researching on piano repertoire, reading as much as you can, and give time to your brain make the necessary connections. A time to rest is very important, specially if you can rest enjoying something related to other arts...

All the best
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« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2016, 08:33:45 PM »

Since I have my "own" thread, here are two links for new recordings I posted on youtube


Probably not the easiest Messiaen piece to listen to
but the one responsible for changing the life of Boulez and Stockhausen for sure!
(not sure if this means something good or not hahaha  )
hope the Messiaen fans enjoy it, there is a lot of use of middle pedal... rare effect.


Since I have been involved with Carl Tausig research, I recorded the Chopin Polonaise Op.53 (which was his favorite encore) using the informations we have about Tausig playing
The staccatos (which are written but not always played) and the middle section in octaves in a very fast time
So, if someone wants to check the result, here it is:

both were just posted,
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« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2016, 09:35:40 PM »

You are quite an impressive pianist...and from Brazil that's awesome.  Great playing.
hey, I am a huge Jobim fan...bossa  novas and sambas rock...but I am old.  Lol


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« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2016, 09:55:22 PM »

You are quite an impressive pianist...and from Brazil that's awesome.  Great playing.
hey, I am a huge Jobim fan...bossa  novas and sambas rock...but I am old.  Lol


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Thank you very much!
I have no Bossa Nova recorded, but I have an improvisation on a samba by Noel Rosa in my documentary (around 28'30'') and this one
Aquarela do Brasil (my arrangement)


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« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2016, 02:15:22 AM »

Acabei de assistir ao documentário! Incrível! Mas poxa vida, nunca tinha ouvido falar de você antes, apesar desses feitos grandiosos... Esse nosso país é mesmo complicado!

Também sou um autodidata que começou por peças difíceis (e aos 20 anos), mas deixei a música de lado, especialmente nos últimos dois anos em que comecei minha graduação em Arquitetura.

Por gostar muito de Scriabin (toco a 5ª Sonata e já li de tudo), Ravel, Debussy, dos contemporâneos, dos grandes antigos e também por outras referências como 'les fleurs du mal' e mesmo filosofia, eu imagino que no futuro estudarei alguma coisa de sua autoria! A princípio já me interessei pela "Dança dos demônios" do documentário!

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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2016, 04:58:45 AM »

Acabei de assistir ao documentário! Incrível! Mas poxa vida, nunca tinha ouvido falar de você antes, apesar desses feitos grandiosos... Esse nosso país é mesmo complicado!

Também sou um autodidata que começou por peças difíceis (e aos 20 anos), mas deixei a música de lado, especialmente nos últimos dois anos em que comecei minha graduação em Arquitetura.

Por gostar muito de Scriabin (toco a 5ª Sonata e já li de tudo), Ravel, Debussy, dos contemporâneos, dos grandes antigos e também por outras referências como 'les fleurs du mal' e mesmo filosofia, eu imagino que no futuro estudarei alguma coisa de sua autoria! A princípio já me interessei pela "Dança dos demônios" do documentário!

Um abraço!
Muito obrigado por tuas palavras! e parabéns pelo ingresso na graduação! (continuarei em inglês para não excluir a maioria do forum! Wink )

I'm not very known in Brazil because I'm not involved with politics or TV (or pop culture). No classical artist is really known in Brazil now.
The so called "classical circle" (or Mafia, if you prefer) from Brazil never had any interest in listening to me,
and since I started to play from time to time in other countries (specially Europe) I never had interest in playing for brazilian mafia.
If your are not rich, like me, career is a long and slow step-by-step... anyway I'm always walking silently... Wink

Concerning the work you mention, the "demons dance" is an early work which I revised for orchestra as "Exu Op.17" the old piano version is not published. But I have a lot of pieces, maybe another one (I hope) will be of your taste too.

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