Liszt - Pianoconcerto No. 3

[franz_]

I just discovered Liszt have wrote a Pianoconcerto No. 3. I never knew this. The piece is in E flat major, Op. posth. In my opinion it is a great work and I am wondering why it is so underplayed. What do you guys think about this concerto? If anyone has the score, please contact me.

[tompilk]

Is this a pianoconcerto or is it a piece for piano and orchestra? because he wrote loads of piano + orchestra pieces...
Sophie Menter
Fantasie über ungarische Volksmelodien S123
Totentanz - Phantasie für Pianoforte und Orchester S126i (3 versions.. or at least different parts...)
Concerto pathétique in E minor
De Profundis
Grosse Fantasie 'Wanderer' (Op 15)
PIano concerto 1
Piano concerto 2
I think this is all...
Tom

[franz_]

Is this a pianoconcerto or is it a piece for piano and orchestra? because he wrote loads of piano + orchestra pieces...
Sophie Menter
Fantasie über ungarische Volksmelodien S123
Totentanz - Phantasie für Pianoforte und Orchester S126i (3 versions.. or at least different parts...)
Concerto pathétique in E minor
De Profundis
Grosse Fantasie 'Wanderer' (Op 15)
PIano concerto 1
Piano concerto 2
I think this is all...
Tom

Yes, actually I bought a box with 'Liszts works for piano and orchestra' and there is noted 'Piano concerto No. 3' it is about 15min.

[nicco]

From my leslie howard collection:

Concerto in E flat Op posth., S125a (c1836-39) [13'58]

score prepared from manuscript sources by Jay Rosenblatt
further preparation and performing version of solo part by Leslie Howard; first recording of this version

Andantino - Recitativo del pianoforte - [1'50]
Allegro - Tempo primo - [3'14]
Andante - [4'02]
Tempo primo - Allegro come prima - [1'59]
Allegro vivace - Più mosso [2'51]

I dont have the score though..

[avetma]

I have score, if somone needs it - leave your email address.

But I am still looking for recording of it. There is no original Liszt's orchestration. After he wrote two-pianos version, he left it, intended to orchestrate it later. But, he revised PC1, and PC2 only.

It is underplayed because it is not so well known and it's missidentified because tonality is Eb major (like PC1).

[nicco]

I would be grateful if you could send it my way 

[franz_]

And to me  If you have other works for piano and orchestra (exept PC1 and 2) please send it to me also.

Thanks in advance.

[avetma]

Any chance for uploading recording? Any of you? 

ok; I will upload sheet music now.

[tompilk]

ah i just found the recording in my iTunes!
Concerto in E minor for Piano and Strings 'Malediction' (S121)
Concerto in E flat (S125a)
These two are on teh CD...
Tom

[avetma]

nicco and franz_: check your private messages

Someone is willing to post recording?

[thalbergmad]

This way, everyone gets to see it.

Thal

[donjuan]

thanks for the sheetmusic thal.   

nice to follow along to leslie howard playing it. 

it has beautiful moments, but it's not a very memorable piece, imo

[jre58591]

it has beautiful moments, but it's not a very memorable piece, imo

i feel the same way. is it because we are all so used to the 1st and 2nd concertos and totentanz? or is this piece really not worth discovering?

[pianistimo]

in 'a history of the concerto' by michael thomas roeder - some interesting stuff about this third concerto.  'liszt may have composed one more concerto.  it has an interesting history, and although no autograph manuscript has been located, there is strong evidence that the lost concerto has been found. in august 1885 liszt wrote to his favorite and very successful female pupil , sophie menter (1846-1918), telling her he was writing a concerto for her.  he had not orchestrated the work before his death the following year, so menter received the work in unusable form.  the russian composer tchaikovsky (1840-1893) knew menter, visiting her at her home in the tyrol on several occasions.  she asked him to orchestrate the work,identifying it as her own 'hungarian concerto.'  this ruse was employed out of fear that tchaikovsky would not tackle the job because of his displeasure with some of liszt's pianotranscriptions of the russian's orchestral music.  tchaikovsky completed the task in 1892 and conducted the work's first performance in st. petersburg in 1893, shortly before his own death, with menter as pianist.  a few months later the score was published as sophie menter's hungarian concerto, orchestrated by tchaikovsky. 

menter probably destroyed liszt's manuscript for obvious reasons, so that for nearly a century the world knew only that liszt composed a concerto that had been lost, and that tchaikovsky had orchestrated a concerto in the hungarian style thought to have been written by menter.  during the 1980's, however, liszt scholars and performers came to regard the hungarian concerto as liszt's.   there is no hard evidence supporting this hypothesis, although a close friend of menter's allegedly overheard her confess to having presented liszt's work to tchaikovsky as her own.  the work possesses many of those traits associated with liszt's writing, including a one-movement rhapsodic form with alternating fast and slow sections, genuine thematic unity, and quite obvious virtuoso pianistic style.'

[franz_]

That was very interesting. Thanks a lot.

[avetma]

After listening and reading () this concerto I consider it more beautiful than PC1 and very worth of exploring! I recommend it to everyone.

Ante

[nicco]

that theme from the "tempo primo" part reminded me of star wars for some reason 

[dnephi]

I want the the score if you'd please.  And a recording if anyone has it...
d.nephi.baker@gmail.com

[avetma]

Score sent

[soliloquy]

Is this a pianoconcerto or is it a piece for piano and orchestra? because he wrote loads of piano + orchestra pieces...
Sophie Menter
Fantasie über ungarische Volksmelodien S123
Totentanz - Phantasie für Pianoforte und Orchester S126i (3 versions.. or at least different parts...)
Concerto pathétique in E minor
De Profundis
Grosse Fantasie 'Wanderer' (Op 15)
PIano concerto 1
Piano concerto 2
I think this is all...
Tom

I think the solo concerto also got orchestrated.

[avetma]

I think the solo concerto also got orchestrated.

Yes, Gabor Darvas orchestrated it and (unfortunately) Leslie Howard did too.

I am not sure about Howard, but I found no informations about it, but he recorded it with orchestra, and orchestration is not by Darvas, so I supose he orchestrated it himself. Ouch

[dmatlord]

Yes, Gabor Darvas orchestrated it and (unfortunately) Leslie Howard did too.

I am not sure about Howard, but I found no informations about it, but he recorded it with orchestra, and orchestration is not by Darvas, so I supose he orchestrated it himself. Ouch

Sorry if i reply on your comment after years but i'm looking hard for orchestra and piano parts of the liszt piano concerto op. posth, if i leave my email could you still give it to me (i have only the 2 pianos score reduction)? Thanks so much in advance!