What does the V mean?

[barnowl]

If my attachment attaches as hoped, you'll see
a V appear 7 times in the treble staff of  No. 22
from my Album Etud.

It's a Czechoslovakian publication, which in a
previous thread, I mentioned has been lent to
me by my teacher.

Does anybody know what it means? Is this
standard notation or do you think it might be
unique to the Czechs?

[barnowl]

And how come the two attachments I've tried so far, are already opened
when I go to the OP? 

When I read other posts, if there's an attachment I have to click on the
paper clip.

[Bob]

My guess is that it means to reset the hand.  Lift in this case I think.  Probably a student/teaching type of piece with the fingerings written in. 

The V is a downbow stroke using in string music.  It means to reset the bow. (I think *cringe.* )  There is also an upside-down V that means the same thing. (I think)

Interesting though.  I have seen this used to reset a wind player's embouchure, but not in piano music before.

[Bob]

It's Czerny.  He's was Austrian though.

I bet those footnotes, a and b, tell you to lift the hand.  You could try an online translator.  a is probably something like "lift and reset the hand" and b is probably "lift and reattack the E."  The line below that would say something about not performing this piece near Bernhard.

[barnowl]

It's Czerny.  He's was Austrian though.

I bet those footnotes, a and b, tell you to lift the hand.  You could try an online translator.  a is probably something like "lift and reset the hand" and b is probably "lift and reattack the E."  The line below that would say something about not performing this piece near Bernhard.

LOL! Thank you, Bob.  I guess my teacher will be able to tell me next week.

[orlandopiano]

The V is a downbow stroke using in string music.  It means to reset the bow. (I think *cringe.* )  There is also an upside-down V that means the same thing. (I think)

I think the V is an up bow actually. The down bow is that rectangular shape with the bottom missing.

[barnowl]

I've emailed the question to my teacher. Maybe she will have the answer.

Stay tuned.

[barnowl]

I don't fully understand my teacher's explanation via email, but she indicates that the V is used to indicate a time to play legato and a time to play nonlegato (i.e., detaché, as we of the cognoscenti like to say when we're putting on the dog, which is all the time  ).

The part I don't understand is when you are to play legato and when you should play nonlegato.

I'll find out on Friday. And so will you if this thread's still alive.

[rob47]

V is for Vendetta


/ftw

[stagefright]

it explains how to play that legato which might create problems to young students:

a = to play legato with fingering 5/3 to 3/1 you should lift 3 and 1 while keeping down the 5 and cross them over 5 continuing upwards

b = to play legato with fingering 3/1 to 5/3 you should lift 5 and 3 while keeping down 1 and cross them over 1 continuing downwards.

in bar No12 you should lift 1 while playing legato 2 and 3 (2/1 to 3/1)

[barnowl]

StageFright comes to the rescue once more!

Thank you very much.

But problems for just young students? This is going to be very difficult for
a certain older student I happen to know. 

[pianistimo]

ok.  i don't speak czech so i'm very frustrated by not being able to read a and b...but i have a sneaky suspicion we're all getting very close.  what if it means 'use pedal sparingly' and legato the passage with a slight touch of pedal.

and, what does the last line say, too?  ask ur teacher so we can find out.  this is like one of those puzzles that won't leave ur mind until u know the answer.  bob's answer about bernhard did make me laugh, though.

[barnowl]

ok.  i don't speak czech so i'm very frustrated by not being able to read a and b...but i have a sneaky suspicion we're all getting very close.  what if it means 'use pedal sparingly' and legato the passage with a slight touch of pedal.

and, what does the last line say, too?  ask ur teacher so we can find out.  this is like one of those puzzles that won't leave ur mind until u know the answer.  bob's answer about bernhard did make me laugh, though.

I'm genuinely sorry for having riling you, Pianistimo. At the risk of embarrassing my teacher, I will give you her exact quote on the matter. Please keep in mind, however, that she's been in this country for just a short while, so her English isn't perfect. (But she certainly speaks English infinitely better than I speak Russian.) Anyway, here's what she said:

It "means you have to play legato (connected) just 1 note under the slur, particular that one where you can see that "liga" (a slur) sign. Another one (note from harmonic interval), near by which you see the V sigh you have to play non legato."

I will ask her about the last line on Friday, but in the meantime, maybe StageFright can give us a rough translation.

Frankly, I'm sorry I posted this V business. I really like and respect my teacher. I'd hate for her to think I am exposing her to ridicule in any way shape or form.

[stagefright]

The "V" sign is standard notation symbol to mark where to lift the hands (or breake the melody) like taking breath while singing.

My previous explanation was not the translation of the footnotes, just the way I would play this etude from Czerny's Klavierschule (Op 700something).

Here the rough translations of the footnotes:

a) the 3rd finger crosses over the 5th
b) the 5th finger crosses over the 1st   (should be 3rd over 1st in MHO)
If neccessery excercize the left hand in chords first

[pianistimo]

that makes sense.  thanks for the translation!

[leahcim]

ok.  i don't speak czech so i'm very frustrated by not being able to read a and b...

There's a papal edition.

[kelly_kelly]

I think the V is an up bow actually. The down bow is that rectangular shape with the bottom missing.

Correct!