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Offline DAwud7

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Neglected Music
on: December 19, 2003, 07:55:11 AM
As i have posted in other threads i am new too piano and this site. Although new i am very much into music that is not commonlly played. Composers such as Alkan i luv his works, Leschetizky lues duex adoulettes like that piece, Henselt like most of his music " do not understand y u cannot find any of his music in print anywhere, Felix blumenfeld luv his etudes and preludes, Anton Arensky has some interesting preludes also,Christian Sinding,N.Medtner,S.Bortkiewicz i luv one of his waltzes its great, also there is my fav the spanish composers , Cervantes, Maniel Tavarez, ALbeniz, Vianna da motta portugese actually, E. Luecona, Teressa Carreno, one not ever heard of is Ernesto Drangosch who composed some great etudes he was from argentina he also composed a concerto he is same time period as rachmoninov, Also i luv mompou, de falla, turina, Manuel ponce, Granados, and also numerous others just curious if others are into this so called obscure piano music.

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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #1 on: December 19, 2003, 08:08:34 AM
I am all for finding neglected music and presenting it to the public. One great advantage is there are not 100 interpretations that people have already listened to, and you can be fresh with your music making. However, some composers you mentioned would not fall into the neglected music category - namely De Falla, Albeniz and Granados,
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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #2 on: December 19, 2003, 01:44:04 PM
I'm wondering... would Satie be considered neglected? I mean, everyone knows that gymnopedie (was it no.1 ?? I can't remember.) and to some extent his gnossienes but you've gotta be a into his sort of music to read his other "furniture music" pieces.

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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #3 on: December 19, 2003, 03:29:57 PM
Jean-Yves Thibaudet has just recorded the complete piano works of Satie, so he at least has not neglected him,
Ed

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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #4 on: December 19, 2003, 05:10:47 PM
Here's one: Hugo Reinhold - C# minor Impromptu. It's a great piece that no one plays.

Also, there are pieces by well known composers that may not be "neglected," but are not performed much. Bach's French Overture, and his Four Duets might be in this category.  Beethoven's Andante Favore (sp?) might be as well.
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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #5 on: December 19, 2003, 05:20:25 PM
Liadov
Liapunov
Rubinstein
Paderewski
Grieg (especially the ballade)
Cyril Scott
Griffes
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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #6 on: December 19, 2003, 10:36:31 PM
Adolf Jensen.
The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. (Hunter Thompson)

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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #7 on: December 19, 2003, 11:58:12 PM
Nikolai Medtner.
It is impossible to find any sheet music by him in America, exept the dover editions of sonatas and "fairy tales"  I have been dying to get his piano quintet, but it is $31.00 plus like $15 dollars shipping from Boosey and Hawkes.  I wish some company would find all these unknowns and make their music available.  Another is Franz Xaver Mozart whose music is extant but not published save one set of variations.    
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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #8 on: December 20, 2003, 02:14:37 AM
I don' think Albeniz have been neglected
at least i saw people play his Ibanez on recital couple times, so does Ligeti

what about Josef Hoffman's? People know him as a pianist, but he composed some relaly good stuff.(some of his nocturnes)

Also some of the old 19th century romantic music, like Henselts(his concerto is fabolous), Alexander Dryschock(the dude who played revoltuionar with Octave left hand)

Also some new school's one, like Charles Alkan(my favorite) also the Frederic Rzewzski and the russian jazz piano music writer Kapustin.
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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #9 on: December 20, 2003, 06:10:48 AM
Wow i like this forum. And i cant believe i forgot too mention Anatoly liadov i luv his music i actually just bough his complete sheet music from europe in four volumes they are great too bad my reading is not. Liapunov i luv him also i have toggled with learning the leshginka i believe its called from his Studies. And there is a couple websites that offer obscure sheet music on in the US and on in ITaly The usa one is https://www.musica-obscura-editions.tk/ and the other is https://members.xoom.virgilio.it/hamelin85/ that later sight i believe has some mednter scores. They also Have felix blumenfeld works which i plan too order soon.
Oh and Jensen i have a book of his colletions i bought off ebay the book is old from the early 1900s its great.
Also i got somethin wierd a collections of suites that hans von bulow put together of scarlottis music, this is old too.

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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #10 on: December 20, 2003, 07:25:15 AM
P.D.Q. Bach,
Ed

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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #11 on: December 20, 2003, 08:41:52 AM
What about anybody from the London Pianoforte School - J.B. Cramer, John Field, Pinto, Dussek, Clementi, S. Wesley, S.S. Wesley

So much music, so little time........

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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #12 on: December 21, 2003, 02:16:25 AM
RACHMANINOFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Loads of early works, 1st Sonata, COMPLETE op.3 and op.10, 4th concerto (though Im not so fond of it)

LISZT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the most unjustly neglected composer of all!!!! No I am not mad, Its just that most (the obvious exception is Leslie Howard) only play a small selection of his work that is equivalent to 19th century S-Club 7 (the over-popularity of something like the Don Juan fantasy over so many other splendid transcriptions - I am not comparing Mr Mozart to S-Club 7, but the idea of condensing all the big tunes into 18 minutes is decidedly audience orientated). What about Weinen Klagen variations, Bagatelle without tonality, Original versions of so many pieces, Early beethoven symphonies, Grosses Konzertsolo etc...... Of course some of his work gets the deserved recognition, but a HUGE amount of it is largely unknown (by myself included, I have only started to really explore Liszt).

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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #13 on: December 24, 2003, 11:04:20 PM
just look at a list of marc-andre hamelin cds, thats virtually an A-Z of unknown or neglected piano composers. also quite a few famous composers like nielsen or sibelius have composed piano music too which has been neglegted. There are alot of unknown russian composers that have barely any recordings available of their piano music, my favourites include arensky and lyapunov(kick ass etudes).
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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #14 on: December 26, 2003, 06:04:00 AM
Paul Schoenfeld was not mentioned yet.

But the title is quite erroneous, we are discussing "obscure" and "underestimated" music and composers here. Well-appreciated and very great music is "neglected" if it is widely hailed as "great" and then ignored. The Beethoven F#-major sonata, for example, is somewhat neglected by most pianists; I am yet to encounter a live performance in my area, and there has never been a single mention of it in the history of this forum (according to the "search" tool). If you will kindly examine my not-too-recent thread in Repertoire on Brahms' third sonata, you will see it is also neglected and, I suspect, unknown. [/Cheap hijack].

Also perhaps the majority of Schumann's work is largely unfamiliar to many including myself.
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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #15 on: December 26, 2003, 04:48:43 PM
thats the beauty of complete piano music series'/box sets. does anyone know any recordings of lyapunov's etudes?
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Offline DAwud7

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Re: Neglected Music
Reply #16 on: December 27, 2003, 08:09:00 AM
Well another compser nobody knows of except for maybe his daughter is David Sequeria born in new york in the 1881, composed numerous spanish style pieces with virtuosic flare. His opus 19 suite is very demanding and very spanish sounding. He also composed pieces in numerous latin rythmic styles EL passillo from colombia is a kinda dance form similar too cumbia. ALso other forms like carribean dances and music similar too calypso. I also plan on compsing set of music utilizing latins styles more similar too my background though utilizing Mexican rythms from mariachi. Also if anyone has heard of a composer called Maduro please let me know i Have a spanish rhapsody of his that sounds as if its a liszt piece, its from a piano roll i cant find anything about this composer though.
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