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« on: July 01, 2006, 05:53:07 PM »

So Whos the best?

And Why?
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2006, 09:20:04 PM »

Uh..... Your absolutley out of your mind if you can compare these two!
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2006, 01:19:44 AM »

How can you compare these two? why? How can you label someone better than someone else - especially when there of the highest order? what's with all these threads! Sad
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2006, 01:36:20 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2006, 01:42:18 AM »

Chopin wins because he had stronger striking ability and better ground skills, so Tchaikovsky would tap out from a rear naked choke or armbar, or get knocked out in one round.
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2006, 01:43:33 AM »

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concurred. there is no contest here.
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2006, 02:17:31 AM »

The only area where these two overlap (and thus can be compared) is piano solo and piano concerti;  Gee, I wonder who is the better composer for piano  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2006, 07:04:58 AM »

For me.... tchaikovskys piano concerto no 1 is the only composition that comes close to chopin. But after my own taste, chopins piano concerto still beats tchaikovsky. And so does all of chopins solo competitions. By the way...Tchaikovsky didnt write fantasy impromputu, ballade no 1, and revolutionary etude....hehe.
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2006, 11:52:09 AM »

This is the worst possible choice of composers for a comparison I've seen yet. Everyone knows that Chopin sucked writing for orchestra and Tchaikovsky sucked writing for piano...How can you compare the two?
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2006, 09:41:09 PM »

This is the worst possible choice of composers for a comparison I've seen yet. Everyone knows that Chopin sucked writing for orchestra and Tchaikovsky sucked writing for piano...How can you compare the two?
I thought his Piano Concerto was pretty cool.
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2006, 05:01:47 AM »

I thought his Piano Concerto was pretty cool.

The Concerti of Chopin are some of my favs, but let's face it...

Chopin's piano concerti focus too much on the piano to get that effective tension between the soloist and the ensemble. The orchestral writing is banal, even if it does compliment the piano, it still doesn't stand on its own. That's why he's been critiqued so much for it.

Musical Quality= Unbelievable

Orchestral Banality= Unbelievable

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2006, 01:11:28 PM »

*snore*

I have to admit, I'm getting sick of these crap comparisons, too. Instead, how about...

Arnold to Quisling?

Ford to Ferrari?

Bill Nye, the Science Guy to Albert Einstein?
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2006, 02:36:39 PM »

ok lets be a little less harsh to danny Wink
I vote for chopin, because he wrote the best piano music (but not that prolific really).
Tchaikovsky is a bit boring to me and yes his piano concerto is good but it does get a bit boring after a while after the 100th time... lol. I suppose even the Rach concertos can get a little same-y after a while. But other than the concertos (1-3 and the piano/orchestra piece) he didnt create any masterpieces.
I dont like the ballet music... nor the orchestra stuff.
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2006, 11:49:26 PM »

Tompilk, what do you think of the operas?  I'm quite in love with Eugene Onegin.

I've read somewhere or another that Tchaikovsky was actually best known as an opera composer in his day.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2006, 05:09:20 AM »

Greetings.

I just don't understand the morale in comparing any two persons, let alone two individual composers. Chopin's music is very good: look at any of his compositions for the piano and such. Tchaikovsky is very good too: look at his operas, ballet music, orchestral pieces, and such.
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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2006, 01:02:30 PM »

Hello every body..

I'm a new member.. I'm Kurdish from Kurdistan-Iraq.. so sorry if my English is not that good.

I'm a Pianist.. or trying to become one, anyway.

for me. I love Chopin  more then Tchaikovsky..  because I love Piano I guess.

but.. I dont think that we can say ( Chopin VS Tchikovsky ) you shoud say.. hmm (Chopin VS Mozart) or something,

however.. I hope to be a good member.

see you later..

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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2006, 01:47:15 PM »

Welcome B.Piano!!

Your English is quite good.

However, I wonder about a Chopin-Mozart comparison. Would Chopin stand a chance?
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2006, 05:03:59 PM »

Welcome B.Piano!!

Your English is quite good.

However, I wonder about a Chopin-Mozart comparison. Would Chopin stand a chance?
definitely.
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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2006, 05:07:10 PM »

definitely.

Nah, Chopin would come in third.
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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2006, 06:08:22 PM »

Welcome B.Piano!!

Your English is quite good.

However, I wonder about a Chopin-Mozart comparison. Would Chopin stand a chance?

 
  I think that is actually a quite good comparison....
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« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2006, 06:14:03 PM »


  I think that is actually a quite good comparison....

Well please make the case.

I won't argue, but I'll certainly read what you say.
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2006, 09:07:37 PM »

I think mozart´s is very dinamic in his piano compositions but his sonatas really bore me although they are more difficult then what they sound, i love his piano concert bye the way.   Chopin on the other hand uses more variety in notes and he plays  them to get in and out of chords, it tends to float,  unlike mozart who tends to stay in certain chords, ideas , or melodies in a piece. Thats why I like chopin more when I listen to his music.
   
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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2006, 09:37:40 PM »

The Concerti of Chopin are some of my favs, but let's face it...

Chopin's piano concerti focus too much on the piano to get that effective tension between the soloist and the ensemble. The orchestral writing is banal, even if it does compliment the piano, it still doesn't stand on its own. That's why he's been critiqued so much for it.

Musical Quality= Unbelievable

Orchestral Banality= Unbelievable

Phil

I was referring to Tchai, but you're right too.
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2006, 02:36:38 AM »

I was referring to Tchai, but you're right too.

I believe sergei r was referring to Tchaikovsky's solo piano works. His 3 piano concerti are great.

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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2008, 03:59:47 PM »

I think Chopin does better piano solos, but Tchaikovsky writes (by far) much better concertos and overtures.
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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2008, 04:22:59 PM »

I think Chopin does better piano solos, but Tchaikovsky writes (by far) much better concertos and overtures.

Seconded.

Chopin's piano concerto's can hardly be called concerto's.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2008, 11:11:50 AM »

Tompilk, what do you think of the operas?  I'm quite in love with Eugene Onegin.

I've read somewhere or another that Tchaikovsky was actually best known as an opera composer in his day.

I have seen Pique Dame and this is the greatest opera i have ever seen so far, (saw it in Vienna)

Personally i would have to say Tchaikovsky, but his piano music does not suck June from the seasons is a very famous piece and rightly so, also Chopins writing for orchestra is really bad, i can't listen to his conecertos because of it

but personally i can't stand Chopin i find him too pretentious, i find his ballades dull i personally would rather listen to the Brahms ones
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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2008, 12:15:49 PM »

Chopin didn't even write the orchestra-part himself, so I don't understand why you all whine about it.

And why is Chopin's piano concerti not concerti?!
The form is "right", and it is a piano and a full ochestra playing.
Please tell me what's wrong with them.
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2008, 02:55:32 PM »

who did write the orchestra part if not Chopin then?

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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2008, 04:04:22 PM »

I would go Tchaikovsky because one i am a " Maverick "  Cheesy and Chopin did not write one ballet, orchestral work, opera etc.. as oppose to Tchaikovsky who has some of the greatest ballets and symphony's out there, and his piano music is not bad.
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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2008, 04:11:53 PM »

and by the way he wrote 3 concerti  Angry but the first is over played and the second and third are never played
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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2008, 07:28:28 PM »

I would go Tchaikovsky because one i am a " Maverick "  Cheesy and Chopin did not write one ballet, orchestral work, opera etc.. as oppose to Tchaikovsky who has some of the greatest ballets and symphony's out there, and his piano music is not bad.
what about le sylphedes i'm pretty sure that is a ballet written by chopin. Chopin wrote fantastic works for piano and orchestra e.g La ci darem la mano, Fantasia on polish airs, krakowiak,concert rondo, and the grand polonaise i just love chopins music i'm currently studying his 2nd piano sonata it is good fun
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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2010, 04:14:44 AM »

I'm looking for Tchaikovsky's Polka Peu Dansante Op# 51 # 2.

If you know where I can find it please help. thanks.

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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2010, 12:31:59 PM »

The best for what?  I'd say the best for dancing on your toes would be Tchaikovsky
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