Landis, doping?

[lisztisforkids]

 Do you really think he did dope, or maybe just a bad test? Or the latest in Anti-Americanism? I think he's clean.

[Kassaa]

I think he didn't use doping, but for some reason I think also the contra-test will say he did use it .

[franz_]

Of course he used.

[netzow]

I want to believe he didn't dope and there are some things that would suggest that he wasn't . This test has been proven to be incorrect whenever an athlete has challanged it in the past. I have also heard (I have no idea whether it is true or not) that a beer he had might have affected it. He has a record as a clean cycliest. So No I'm not ready to condem him untill a lot more can be proven aginst him. Step one the backup sample test.

[m1469]

They have lowered the allowable limits of testosterone so much that it is said to have failed some people simply because they naturally produce more testosterone than others.  They will be testing him again, and while it is said that the possibilities of falsely failing the test once are fair, the possibilities of falsely failing the test twice are said to be nearly impossible. 

I guess we'll see.

[BoliverAllmon]

I read that it isn't a high leve of testosterone, but a higher ratio between testosterone and epitestosterone. not sure how that happens naturally, but time will tell.

boliver

[pianistimo]

it happened naturally.  can you imagine how much stress these guys go under in the last week.  personally, i wouldn't even care if it wasn't - because just to get through the race is amazing.  but, cyclists are extremely tuned into their bodies and probably would know how to get through a race like this one at the end without drugs.  the bodies own system kicks in and helps with adrenaline, etc.  so why wouldn't it do the same with testosterone.  i think they should measure EVERYONE's at the exact same time to compare.  i think they'd be astonished at what they found.

[BoliverAllmon]

that may be true.

[thalbergmad]

Of course he used.

I am of the same opion here, albeit I have changed my mind in the past.

I was talking to a cyclist (who I will not name) who did ride in the tour in the 1980's.

He was of the opinion that just about everyone takes something and those that deny it are probably taking even more. It is only the stupid ones that get caught.

Anyone who has taken part in cycle sport will testiy that the stresses on the human body are incredible. To cycle the Tour and average 25mph is almost beyond belief.

I will follow the developments on this one with considerably interest.

Thal

[franz_]

I am of the same opion here, albeit I have changed my mind in the past.

I was talking to a cyclist (who I will not name) who did ride in the tour in the 1980's.

He was of the opinion that just about everyone takes something and those that deny it are probably taking even more. It is only the stupid ones that get caught.

Anyone who has taken part in cycle sport will testiy that the stresses on the human body are incredible. To cycle the Tour and average 25mph is almost beyond belief.

I will follow the developments on this one with considerably interest.

Thal

Very nice. But now I'm curious who that cyclist was.  Was he on the top?
I heard on tv from an ex-cyclist that before 1998, more than 50% of all professional cyclists used. Now, he said, it is about 7%.

[BoliverAllmon]

I also hear that it is the dirtiest sport ever.

boliver

[da jake]

He used Lance's testicle.

[brewtality]

Do you really think he did dope, or maybe just a bad test? Or the latest in Anti-Americanism? I think he's clean.

oh please 

He used Lance's testicle.

hahahaha you legendary pregnant cat Jake. 

[thalbergmad]

I also hear that it is the dirtiest sport ever.

boliver

It was dirty from the very beginning and remains so now.

Thal

[BoliverAllmon]

It was dirty from the very beginning and remains so now.

Thal

very sad

[ada]

They will be testing him again, and while it is said that the possibilities of falsely failing the test once are fair, the possibilities of falsely failing the test twice are said to be nearly impossible. 

I guess we'll see.

Looks like he's guilty as charged. He just failed the second test, the world cycling body announced a short time ago.

[thalbergmad]

Oh dear.

It is the first time a winner has been caught.

Why don't they stop doing drug tests and let everyone take what they want.

If everyone takes drugs, then nobody is cheating.

Thal

[nicco]

Well the B-tests are out, wich again were positive. The new winner of Tour de France is Oscar Perreiro Sio, Landis has been fired from his team, and the case will be treated for a year in court. Sucks to be Landis right now.

[brewtality]

Well the B-tests are out, wich again were positive. The new winner of Tour de France is Oscar Perreiro Sio, Landis has been fired from his team, and the case will be treated for a year in court. Sucks to be Landis right now.

and he is still denying it. I suppose Al Qaeda slipped something into his sample...

[mephisto]

and he is still denying it. I suppose Al Qaeda slipped something into his sample...

No it was Hizbollah, they want to erase everything that has to do with a strong an bright nation like the USA.

[BoliverAllmon]

No it was Hizbollah, they want to erase everything that has to do with a strong an bright nation like the USA.

You got it all wrong. It was those Zionists. They could not let an amish follower of Christ be the best at anything. Zionists must rule everything!!! They already have Hollywood, the media, and most of the government.

boliver

[pianistimo]

i'm so disappointed.  i still believe landis is innocent.  he's from pennsylvania and people are HONEST here.  i think they are picking and choosing winners.  they should have tested everyone before the last leg of the race and not afterwards (when so many things in the body change from the extreme amount of energy the body has given).  i think the race is not worth watching anymore.  you can't just get jealous of someone who wins and start accusing.

this is because the usa accidentally bombed the un headquarters.  they are doing tit-for-tat.  i am sure of it.

[BoliverAllmon]

i'm so disappointed.  i still believe landis is innocent.  he's from pennsylvania and people are HONEST here.  i think they are picking and choosing winners.  they should have tested everyone before the last leg of the race and not afterwards (when so many things in the body change from the extreme amount of energy the body has given).  i think the race is not worth watching anymore.  you can't just get jealous of someone who wins and start accusing.

this is because the usa accidentally bombed the un headquarters.  they are doing tit-for-tat.  i am sure of it.

no cycling  is a dirty dirty sport. it is not because of some bombing. not everyone is honest in pennsylvania either, maybe alot but not all.

[pianistimo]

is oscar brazilian?  hmm.  how far behind landis was he?  if he was right on his heels at least he'd have some talent - but if he was a mile behind - i still say landis won.

boliver - if you become a chaplain - you'll have to convince people by agreeing with them first.  you have to say something like 'i know how badly you wanted landis to win.  he looks like an honest face.  but, he has a track record of cheating.'

even his friend lance armstrong said that as long as he'd been on the team - he'd never had any problems with him taking drugs.  he said some other things, too, that made me realize that he'd been through the same ridiculous testing.  see if oscar will be tested.  they'll probably say that he has an honest face.

i think lance said something about that the testing labs wouldn't give out any samples to be tested at another site.  therefore, the lab cannot be proven to be 100% accurate.

[BoliverAllmon]

is oscar brazilian?  hmm.  how far behind landis was he?  if he was right on his heels at least he'd have some talent - but if he was a mile behind - i still say landis won.

boliver - if you become a chaplain - you'll have to convince people by agreeing with them first.

If I remember correctly he was only 41 seconds behind. As for agreeing. red is red. I can't deny it. Just you like I cannot deny the fact that not everyone in the entire state of Pennsylvania is honest. Stereotypically maybe, but not everyone.

boliver

[prometheus]

Perreiro was given half an hour in an escape. That's why he was second and why he has now won. If they hadn't given him half an hour he would be at least 40 minutes behind the winner.

[lisztisforkids]

*Sigh* I was so hoping that he was clean..

[thalbergmad]

The Tour almost goes past my house next year.

I will set up an EPO stall in my front garden.

Should make a killing.

Thal

[franz_]

Hahaha the loser 

[pianistimo]

how could the tour de france go past your house, thal?  you do not live in france.  something is seriously wrong with you.  but, i love you anyway.

[franz_]

how could the tour de france go past your house, thal?  you do not live in france.  something is seriously wrong with you.  but, i love you anyway.

If he lives in Belgium, Holland or Germany it is possible.

[pianistimo]

he lives in england, but he is on drugs.

[franz_]

he lives in england, but he is on drugs.

Hahaha 
BUT, when I remember good. They said that the tour will start next year in London.

[thalbergmad]

Hahaha 
BUT, when I remember good. They said that the tour will start next year in London.

Well done Sir, it does indeed.

So I am not mad or on drugs after all.

Thal

[pianistimo]

how could it possibly start in london.  are they going through the british channel and cheating with a train ride?

i do think once in a while.  say, i watched a pbs documentary (yes again) - and it said that the way the british -french channel was drilled was through the sedimentary layers of 'chalk.'  it goes up and down (chalk layer) and is easy to drill through.  that is why the ride is so bumpy.

[prometheus]

Al of them always 'cheat' using planes and trains to get from one finish to the next start because that is what the organisation wants.

[pianistimo]

they do?  wouldn't the risk of disqualification hurt them badly.  and what about their reputation.  besides there are so many people watching.  how could you just motorize your bike or put wings on it.  i mean, it would be kinda fun to see them go over a bump - become airborne and just keep flying.

i think the weather is the biggest enemy.  just like with the iditarod in alaska.  you have to be pretty tough and really not phased by pain or endurance issues.  one guy came to the finish line with an extended icicle hanging from his nose.  i wonder if those tour de france guys have to bicycle past the finish line slowly for 1/2 hour to warm down so they don't get a heart attack right afterwards.   

[thalbergmad]

how could it possibly start in london.  are they going through the british channel and cheating with a train ride?

Of course not you silly woman.

They are cycling down to Dover docks and then jumping on pedalos to cycle over to Calais. Anything else would be cheating.

Do you know nothing of the Tour.

[pianistimo]

that looks fun.  but, i'd be wearing a life jacket - knowing that you wouldn't save me anyway.  that is a 'pedalo?'  no.  i never heard of it.  are you serious? about the tour starting there?  sounds like some kind of mad rat race.  a triathalon of sorts.  i mean getting in a pedalo without flipping over is probably a feat.  you'd have to both jump at once and hope that one person didn't miss the boat.

[pianistimo]

say, why is the woman's wrist chained.  was this your last idea of a date?  and why are you boating in two inches of water?  next question.  what is this thing you are doing with your hands?  it looks like a sort of fake 'cover the nipples' thing.

[quasimodo]

Of course not you silly woman.

They are cycling down to Dover docks and then jumping on pedalos to cycle over to Calais. Anything else would be cheating.

Do you know nothing of the Tour.

HAHAHAHAAA. A bit legendary.

[thalbergmad]

Not a good few weeks for American Sportsman.

First Landis, then Gatlin, who next?

Was Florence Griffith Joyner ever tested??. If her records are not removed, they will still be there in 100 years time.

Anyway, at least when American Sportsmen do take drugs, they have the decency to come first.

With the English, even pumped full of juice they still trail home last.

Thal