45-min Rep. for Competition

[shoenberg3]

Sounds bit familiar?

There are no requirements on the repertoire. Also, I am planning to learn new pieces so suggestion is open to anything. Generally speaking, I feel I am not good with mozart, bach, chopin but am ok with likes of beethoven, liszt, scriabin.

Here is a tentative repertoire i came with...nothing set in stone yet

Haydn Variations in f minor

Messiaen Vingt Regards 11- 13 (Premier..., La Parole..., Noel)

Liszt Transcendental Etudes 1-6

Thanks in advance

[mephisto]

Vingt regard no10: Regard de l`Espirit de joie
Vingt regard no11:Premère communion de la Vierge
Ving Regards no12: La paroule tout puissant

I love no12, such insane fury. You have to listen to Austbø´s rec, it is definetly the best for that piece.

[dnephi]

Is that messaien "tonal"?  I think that maybe Copland's Passacaglia might be better in its place.

But seriously, can you lay out both Mazeppa and Feux Follets at concert speed and accuracy?  Personally I haven't warmed up to listening to Feux Follets-what makes it good?

Mazeppa alone is a serious monstrosity to learn.
Do you know Etude en fa mineur, no. 10?  Absolutely stunning. 

[shoenberg3]

Mephisto: That's a combination that I thought of before. But the Liszt is such a barrage of notes, that I may need more moisture in the Messiaen pieces. Agree with the Austbo rec.

dnephi: Messiaen is not tonal. That is my intention.

Of course playing Mazeppa/Feux Follets/Vision is quite taxing, but personally I don't find Liszt TEs difficult at all. Chopin etudes, that's a different story.


But these were good suggestions, please keep them coming./

[mephisto]

But Schonberg, no12 isn`t Noel, Noel is no13, that is what I ment.

Messiaen isn`t tonal, but not atonal either. It is Modal. Messiaen uses so called modes of limited transposition. In major and minor you can transpose the key starting on any note: C major, C# major, D major etc or C minor, C# minor, D minor etc. That is not modes of limited transposition as you can see.

Debussy did often use one mode of limited transposition. It is known as the hole-tone-scale. You can only play this scale in two different ways(This scale has no tonal center so it doesn`t matter were you start):C, D, E, F#, G#, #.  The 2nd version(or first for that matter)  B, C#, D#, F, G, A.

So unlike the minor and major scales these modes of limited transposition can`t be transposed in 12 different scales.

Messiaen used many different modes, this is just the only one I know of.

[shoenberg3]

true Messiaen is modal, but to the untrained ear, this sounds closer to being atonal.

Anyway, my stupid mistake, I meant 11-13 .

But anyway, now I am considering more of 12 and 15 (Parole and Baiser) Baiser is so beautiful.

[mephisto]

For all fury insanity, try no6, 10, 12 and 20

I have personally played no9. I think it was extremely difficult, yet this i sprobably the easiest. The reason it is so difficult is because of there being bar-lines, but non of them are of the same sice.

[shoenberg3]

I wonder if I will EVER be able to play 6.

[dnephi]

Do you have recordings of these pieces, or are they under copyright or what?
I am interested but I heard one work by Messaien that just turned me off from listening to anything else by him.

[shoenberg3]

Do you have recordings of these pieces, or are they under copyright or what?
I am interested but I heard one work by Messaien that just turned me off from listening to anything else by him.

Recordings are definitely available. Try Aimard for Vingt Regards; I like his the best.

[super666lucifer]

Mephisto: That's a combination that I thought of before. But the Liszt is such a barrage of notes, that I may need more moisture in the Messiaen pieces. Agree with the Austbo rec.

dnephi: Messiaen is not tonal. That is my intention.

Of course playing Mazeppa/Feux Follets/Vision is quite taxing, but personally I don't find Liszt TEs difficult at all. Chopin etudes, that's a different story.


But these were good suggestions, please keep them coming./

well, get you

[franzliszt2]

I cannot find an Aimard cd anywhere   But his Messian is the best in my opinion, I seen him live once doing From The Canyons to the stars and it was simply amazing.

[jre58591]

try stephen osborne's recs of teh complete vingt regards. he knows which ones to be sensitive with and which ones to be furious with. imo, his recs blow aimard's and austbø's out of the water. they just dont seem to identify with messiaen the way osborne does.

I cannot find an Aimard cd anywhere  Sad But his Messian is the best in my opinion, I seen him live once doing From The Canyons to the stars and it was simply amazing.

what??? you say des canyons aux étoiles?? damn i woulda killed to see something like that, especially with aimard. what was it like?

[franzliszt2]

It was unreal, I got the tickets free!!!!!1 I got a phone call saying that there was a concert on at the concet hall and had free tickets for me because my horn teacher was playing the horn part, and since I was a principal study pianist and Aimard was playing they give me free tickets! I wasn't going to go because I wasn't familiar with the piece, but since they were free, I just went, and I am so glad I did. It's such a powerfull piece, It was amazing. His virtuosity was imense.  I'll try the Stephen Osbourne recording if Vignt Regards, Thanks!

[shoenberg3]

Doubt any one cares too much, but I am now intending to play Vingt Regards 12 and 17 now (La Parole.. and Baiser..) instead of 11-13.

[verywellmister]

wow u have finger independence (feux follets)? 

those messiaen pieces are tough. the 12th one sounds cool

[shoenberg3]

wow u have finger independence (feux follets)? 

not necessarily... i will try my best though

[franzliszt2]

hey Shoenberg, I remeber you mocking me for saying I'd seen Aimard. You claimed that the piece didn't exist and then proceeded to brag about your Messian knowledge and how you owned the entire collection.

Well I rest my case, "From the canyons to the stars" does exist, so HAH"!.

Verywellmister, don't believe everything you read on internet forums about the pieces they play 

[verywellmister]

Doubt any one cares too much, but I am now intending to play Vingt Regards 12 and 17 now (La Parole.. and Baiser..) instead of 11-13.

15 is Baiser.

[shoenberg3]

hey Shoenberg, I remeber you mocking me for saying I'd seen Aimard. You claimed that the piece didn't exist and then proceeded to brag about your Messian knowledge and how you owned the entire collection.

uhhh, i remember an incident that may have been similar to this, but you seemed to have distorted it, well, almost beyond its recognition. 

Verywellmister, don't believe everything you read on internet forums about the pieces they play

if you say so