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Topic: Some fingering in 4th mvmt of Prokofjev's 6th sonata..  (Read 1310 times)

Offline nortti

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These two measures bug me. The left hand part, that is. I can't come up with a fingering that feels any good. I'm currently using [2+5, 1, 4, 3, 1+2] for the first one and [2+5, 1, 3, 2, 1+4] for the second, but they, especially the first one, are quite awkward at high speeds..

What do you or would probably use?

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Re: Some fingering in 4th mvmt of Prokofjev's 6th sonata..
Reply #1 on: August 08, 2006, 05:36:29 PM
I would suggest for the first:
2/5-1-2-1-2/5

And for the second:
1/5-2-1-2-1/5

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ML

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Re: Some fingering in 4th mvmt of Prokofjev's 6th sonata..
Reply #2 on: August 08, 2006, 06:26:30 PM
agree with michael
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Re: Some fingering in 4th mvmt of Prokofjev's 6th sonata..
Reply #3 on: August 08, 2006, 07:00:31 PM
yes. michaels would let you hang onto that bottom note just a bit - and make it sound better.  i'm kinda wondering (since the first -two notes- are larger) if those notes are supposed to be louder than the sixteenth notes but not held?  what is the significance of the larger notes?

if it is to actually hold them as a sort of pedal tone - then i don't really thing you'd find any fingering better than michaels.

but, if you can let go of those notes - i would play 51, 3,2,1, 5 (4)1 (2) or something (i'm not at the keyboard). 

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Re: Some fingering in 4th mvmt of Prokofjev's 6th sonata..
Reply #4 on: August 08, 2006, 07:56:09 PM
Thanks, I'll try those tomorrow (although "-1-2/5" looks pretty scary ;))
The notes are larger just because of poor quality; in my own sheets they're all of the same size.

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Re: Some fingering in 4th mvmt of Prokofjev's 6th sonata..
Reply #5 on: August 08, 2006, 08:30:24 PM
I just saw i misread michaels suggestion.

For the first part i would do

2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1
5                   5

Finishing on 1\5 seems the most logic.
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Re: Some fingering in 4th mvmt of Prokofjev's 6th sonata..
Reply #6 on: August 08, 2006, 09:04:48 PM
For the first part i would do

2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1
5                   5

Finishing on 1\5 seems the most logic.
Keep in mind it's very fast. Around 160 bpm for a quarter note. That thumb jump would be quite a feat in that tempo ;) (though, who knows, maybe it's possible)

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Re: Some fingering in 4th mvmt of Prokofjev's 6th sonata..
Reply #7 on: August 08, 2006, 09:07:48 PM
Keep in mind it's very fast. Around 160 bpm for a quarter note. That thumb jump would be quite a feat in that tempo ;) (though, who knows, maybe it's possible)


Yes, it is precisely for that economy of motion that I put 2/5 there.

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ML

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Re: Some fingering in 4th mvmt of Prokofjev's 6th sonata..
Reply #8 on: August 08, 2006, 09:32:44 PM
Keep in mind it's very fast. Around 160 bpm for a quarter note. That thumb jump would be quite a feat in that tempo ;) (though, who knows, maybe it's possible)


Of course :)

I tried it at different speeds and for my hand it felt the best. But you may have a totally different opinion, so its up to you to find whats best for you. Im just giving some more options for you to choose from ;)

Edit
After trying again i feel both are equally good solutions. Your call ;)
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Re: Some fingering in 4th mvmt of Prokofjev's 6th sonata..
Reply #9 on: August 09, 2006, 10:23:30 AM
Ok. michael's fingerings are apparently better than my previous ones. Thanks :)
Of course, I'm still open to even better suggestions

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Re: Some fingering in 4th mvmt of Prokofjev's 6th sonata..
Reply #10 on: August 09, 2006, 12:21:38 PM
(51)321(52)

(51)213(51)



Personally, I feel that (52)1 forces quite an unnaturally large stretch between 5 and 2, no matter how temporary.

I find 3(51) preferable on the basis that you simply have to move a shorter horizontal distance (and to my hands, it just feels good!).
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